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I had a fantastic time today and it didn't rain !!!! My personal thanks to everyone who had a part in putting it all together, and an extra thanks once again to Larry Schwartz. Larry, if it wasn't for you, this day would never have even taken place. I was so busy talking to my old friends, I didn't even know you were there !!! Sorry... Good Post-Shabbas !!!! Alan
Alan "Lefty" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 19:04:46 (MDT
Ed, Saul and Helen, Thank you all for the time, effort and energy that you put in to this reunion. I had a wonderful day. It was great reconnecting with old friends. Kudos to all of you!!
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 18:05:18 (MDT
I can't believe I am the first to post a message after the reunion picnic today. For anyone who missed it, it was great. This is coming from someone who just planned on staying a few minutes to see who came and it turned into four hours. Just want to say that it was well planned and organized. Everyone who worked on it should be given a special award. Next years will be better.Ed Lapal you did a great job as master of ceremonies. BPG made up mugs for the reunion and hats for all who signed in. Whoever has the list of attendees please post it for all to see. Thanks again for the good time.
Martin H Grossman <fellamhg@hotmail.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Sunday, July 16, 2000 at 17:43:57 (MDT
Mr Weiss, it's a hard driving rain up here at the top of the Thruway, but I'm on my way. What time is the TOTC BPG make-up?? Sorry, but I did do the Wahoo McDaniel rain dance. Zimmie
Bill(y) Zimmerman <Bzimmer7@aol.com//NYSDOH>
Montreal, Canada - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 19:35:57 (MDT
Steve- I did know Vickie Johnson; I recall that we were in the same class through 74. I think it was 7SP1 & 9SP1. The name Barry Gettleman is very familiar to me, from Cardozo. I think that he was a friend of a friend of mine named Allen Weiss. I remember that Vickie was pretty much a straight A student. Also, Elliot, Alan Altschuld is my older brother, and he was really a good athlete. Did you go to 205 or 46? Ray Lewkow answered a query I had about Steven Lemberg. Any relation to Ray?
Ken Altschuld <kengeo2@msn.com>
Castle Rock, CO USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 18:03:16 (MDT
Hi! What a great idea to have a Bell Park Gardens Website! I graduated from P.S. 46 in 1953 & J.H.S. 74 in 1957. I have very fond memories of both schools. I moved in 1963 when my father's job took us to Albany where I have been living ever since. I would love to hear from old friends and neighbors at that time. I lived next to Slyvia & Abe Rubin, Daisy Ridloff, the Drefusses(Richard Drefuss's family), my sister is Carla Oblas and my parents were irving & Lilyan Oblas. We moved in in 1949. Rema oblas Goldstein
Rema Oblas Goldstein <Remagold@gateway.net>
Albany, NY USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 13:03:17 (MDT
This is my first time writing in the guestbook so you can imagine how amazed I am to see names I recognize from so many years in the past. I know that I will be back at this site and perhaps add memories at another time. I am writing to especially thank ALLEN RINGLER for his words of condolence for my brother's recent death. Vinny was 46 when he died in December. He had been living in Boca Raton, Florida but spent much of his last one and a half years here in NJ where he was closer to his doctors. He never complained about his fate and handled his dying like he handled his life, with humor and dignity. He is greatly missed. His wife remains in Florida and his two grown girls are well taken care of. I thank all of you who remember him and and have kept him in your prayers.
Andrew Perlstein <abpearl@aol.com>
Ridgewood, NJ USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 12:07:58 (MDT
To all - now it's time to just enjoy each other's company, no matter what ther weather. If it helps, remember that in Hawaii rain is considered a blessing on the land and its people. Celia and I are cooking up an idea for next summer's reunion that would have an indoor/outodoor site, perhaps even PS 46 itself; gym/caf/schoolyard. Any comments, connections, ideas? Let's see some reunion pix (captioned of course so we know who all our cyberneighbors are). Have a wonderful time, smile and be happy. Wish I were there!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 10:19:44 (MDT
Steve W. . . Just got your e-mail . . 'See you at Ben's'.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 09:12:59 (MDT
GLOOMY...so let continue down memory lane. For a few years after leaving NY I'd come back and stay at Flake's apartment...It was like I never left home. Then his parents left for the sunshine. At that point I adopted a ritual of visiting the court and walking around..the court, the playground, the driveways and waiting to run into a court member to catch-up. Only then will I leave. I think the only people left are the Weingasts and the Weinsteins. It doesn't look good for hanging out this weekend! 3000 miles to share some smiles and now I'm just looking at the Weather Channel and flipping the dials.
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Rainy Queens, NY USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 08:14:27 (MDT
*RAINDATE NOTICE* Please see my posting in the Open Forum.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 06:54:48 (MDT
Believe it or not we just got back from the golf course...got 3 holes in!!!how bout since it looks like rain all w/e we all meet at blue bay for lunch tomorrow if its still raining???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 06:47:04 (MDT
Hello Everyone: I'm reading some of the comments concerning the weather, and if I may say,forget the weather and have a great time. I really wish I was there to take part in everything, but I'll be there in spirit. Remember, its only water. ENJOY!
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 00:25:10 (MDT
Freyda, will you make the reunion?
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 23:02:28 (MDT
Went to PS 205, graduated early 60's. Lived in Bell Park, friends with Putter, Big Al, Lenny Z. Lubin etc. Looking for Steve Katz (Hawaii)
Rich Silverblatt <AReyouready888 @CS>
Flushing , NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 22:34:30 (MDT
Just got back from a 10 hour drive from Canada ... had to log on .... Good Shabbas !!!!!
Alan "Lefty" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 20:51:01 (MDT
Karen Baboff.....I lost your email address. Freyda
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 18:27:58 (MDT
Good question, Fran. To my knowledge, there are no plans for either a tent or to take it indoors. Whether Saturday or Sunday, chances are the park will be wet. How much is anyone's guess . . . Helen has worked very hard this week investigating both alternatives. In the end, it was cost prohibitive. From the beginning, I set this reunion up as a no fee, all are welcome event and I take full responsibility for that decision. The gamble was the weather . . There will be a reunion in the park this weekend, either Saturday or Sunday. But those attending stand a good chance of getting wet. I'm watching the same weather channel you are.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 15:10:03 (MDT
I need to know ASAP...if it rains, will anything happen under cover tomorrow or Sunday? My sister Celia wants me to call her and let her know so she knows if she should make the four hour drive or not. I guess sending my Hawaiian weather hasn't helped much; it's been raining here all week! Let's start planning fo next summer soon, and this time let's find an indoor/outdoor spot if possible, OK?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 14:48:44 (MDT
Ken Altschuld: Any relation to Alan Altschuld? He was the strongest kid in 74 during my tenure there. I also recall Altschuld used to hang from a chinning bar for an hour or so a day, swearing it was making him taller. Hope the reunion's a smashing success.
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
BPG, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 13:51:35 (MDT
Steve W. . . The 1/2 was actually the dining room, or more appropriately the dinette.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 13:41:30 (MDT
One last add bout moving into BPG...the apartment we took belonged to Steve and Jeff Rovits....It was funny 'cause Steve and Jeff Weiss replace Steve and Jeff. When I asked my parents what 4 1/2 meant...Let's count...2 bedrooms, living room, dining room....which was the 1/2? The kitchen? the bathroom? Actually, together they added up to 1/2 a room. The dentist I referred to...did I say Kushner? I meant Dr. KUZNICK. Memories. See you tomorrow...weather permitting and maybe tonight at Blue Bay.
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
BPG Bldg. 36, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 13:34:33 (MDT
Reunion & Music Update - From The Chapel of Love to All You Need Is Love in the Love Shack. We have created quite an assortment of music for your listening AND dancing pleasures. Bring your favorite CD's too. NO WALL FLOWERS ALLOWED! Even if you think you look bad ... tomorrow EVERYONE looks good on the dance floor ... and a 'creative' dance floor it will be. PLEASE follow through on your commitments and call the DJ company direct to put your $$$ donation on your credit card ... JA & Company, Jeff Arturo or Cathy, 1-800-591-9199. It's listed under TOTC and Saul Wilner. Cash or a check can also be given to myself or Jan at the Blue Bay tonite or the reunion tomorrow. I'll be at 46 at 7 AM tomorrow ready for ball handling events. Gotta go now - driving into town for a showdown tonite.
Field Marshal of Fun <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 09:41:03 (MDT
Steve W. So true, so true . . . The gentle conversation of parents gathered on their "lawn chairs" has been replaced by the humming of air conditioners . . Remember when Bell Parkers were limited to one window unit a/c before the re-wiring job? Only those who already had two a/c units were grandfathered in . . My Dad sold air conditioners back then and we were one of only a few to be grandfathered in . . I distinctly remember BPG'ers walking by our corner apartment, pointing up at the second unit (fortunately hidden behind an evergreen tree) and making diparaging remarks . . The feeling was that because he was on the board, we got special treatment . . I guess that was one of the drawbacks of living cheek by jowel with a thousand of your neighbors. But in retrospect, I wouldn't have it any other way!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 07:52:49 (MDT
The very early years were spent in Windsor Oaks...73rd ave and 220th st. Our apartment was next to Dr.Kushner's office (hope I don't break a tooth) and almost directly across the street from the court where the Lewkows, Barry Adler, the Weiser boys and Pete Goldstein lived. Sometime in early 1966..we hit the lottery..for the uninitiated, Bell Park always had a waiting list. The next thing I knew we were moving from an upstairs 4 1/2 to a slightly smaller downstairs 4 1/2 on Bell and 67th. Moving date 8/31/66. As a 9 year old, all I could remember from my first impressions were, geez all the playgrounds had barrels!, basketball courts in the driveway and it seemed every apartment in my court had kids nearly my own age. What a crew..The Markowitz bros., Jerry and Mark...the Floss Bros., Mickey and Joel, The Reiss sisters who lived above me, Randi and Andrea, Donny Weinstein, Ellen Schwartz, Eileen Roberts, Phil 'Mama" Kay, Stephanie Cohen (RIP) and her sister Amy, Elliot 'Tank' Tanenbaum, the Neiditch's Alan and Howie. Of Course, Jeff 'Flake' Kornfeld. That summer evening after the move, we all hung out in the court..I met everyone. It strikes me that the air-conditioner has made this impossible. Nobody had one then and it was cooler to hang outside. Today...everyone is indoors. Anyway, I had moved outside 205's jurisdiction and almost across the street from 46. However, we struck a deal and I stayed at 205 for 2 more years to graduate. Eventually I met all the Bell Parkers at 74. How many of your kids have a large circle of friends as we had growing up. Incredible!!! Alas the lament of Bell Park is, they removed the barrels, the basketball courts and much of the charm we knew..."There will never be days like those again!"
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Sterling Bowl-LakeSuccess, NY USA - Friday, July 14, 2000 at 07:21:15 (MDT
Yo Elliot, how about all the times you, me and your brother ran each other down hawking Food Fair Brand sodas at the Little League fields on 73rd off of the Clearview on the weekends? We were all Duddy Kravitz' back then ... thought for sure at least one of us would be farting through silk by now. I married badly, what's your excuse?
Steven Haffner <Lastwaltz1@aol.com>
Bay Terrace, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 22:05:59 (MDT
Hey Ken, although your name's only vaguely familiar, I hooked-up with Jackie Cohen and Joan Fiedler at Cardozo in '70-'71. Curiously, I never met either of them before HS, even though they lived on Bell just north of 73rd Ave (within my '46 stomping grounds). If you lived on 222 near Springfield, you must have also known Vickie Johnson, who was a very good friend of mine and also hung with Jackie and Joan ... along with Saul's cousin Peter Wilner, Estelle Gettleman's son Barry and a cast of other miscreants in HS.
Steven Haffner <Lastwaltz1@aol.com>
Bay Terrace, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 21:58:40 (MDT
This is a great site. I lived on 222St., one block from Springfield, between 69th and 73rd Aves. For some reason I went to 205, although my next door neighbor went to 213 and across 69th they went to 46. I don't even remember the name "Bell Park"-we used to say "the veterans co-op". But I do recognize some of the names here-Saul Wilner, Robert Leighton. There's another interesting site-scanit4u.com, which is primarily P.S. 205 & 74 grads. Anybody ever hear about Steven Lemberg, Howie Katcher, Jeff Passe, Charlie Stroller, Joan Fiedler, Jackie Cohen, Jan Grossman? They all would have graduated high school in '70 or '71.
Ken Altschuld <kengeo2@msn.com>
Castle Rock, CO USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 20:21:44 (MDT
Jan . . . If not Saturday, then Sunday (same mazel).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 19:48:49 (MDT
Hey Guys, I'll settle for "Red Light, Green Light, 1,2,3." See y'all Friday night. Saturday, with some mazel!!
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 18:20:34 (MDT
Ed...the BIG ROCK would make a great place to mount a bronze plaque commemorating this first 'Gathering of the Clans'. Then there could be annual Softball games, Double Dutch, Hammer and Ax Throwing and the Heaving of the 'Caber'.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 17:15:11 (MDT
Or are you sleeping in the park already . . Doing your best to guarantee us all a good spot for the reunion! (Just be careful Friday night's deluge doesn't wash you down the hill . . or you'll wake up by the BIG ROCK at 73rd and Springfield).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 16:03:12 (MDT
Hey Elliot . . I notice your e-mail address reads Bayside, New York . . Are you going to be a mystery guest at the reunion (incognito?), or are you just a sentimental guy??
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 15:42:37 (MDT
Hey Bro, Maybe you don't remember what you had for breakfast, because you smelled too much eraser chalk! Y'all have a great party!
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 15:35:01 (MDT
The cry from Motown is not "Next year in Jerusalem"(although we have a family trip scheduled to Israel) but next year in Alley Pond Park park. Like Ray I have totally enjoyed hooking up with many people I grew up with and regret not being there on Saturday. What incredible details and minutae we have all shared from our childhoods. I don't remember what I had for breakfast but I do remember the smell of the chalk in the famous "Eraser Room" at 46. Nobody could possibly understand how great it was to grow up in BPG unless you were there. Regards to Ed, Helen, Weiss and the rest of you guys who know me. It's great seeing the names of my lifelong friends like my brother, Steve Katz, Marv Schaffer, David Albin, Barry Adleand Gish Geller on TOTC. See ya next year. In 2001 were gonna have some fun. Have a great reunion! Post pictures please. Elliot
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
Bayside, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 14:29:52 (MDT
Peri...I like that thinking however I iwll be there rain or shine, umbrella or not.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 12:41:45 (MDT
And try reverse psychology...... schlep your umbrellas, raincoats, and galoshes.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 12:27:57 (MDT
Steve, be careful they might do a rain dance by mistake and u will never no the difference...i have an idea...noone water your lawns on friday or saturday am in preperation for the rain and it wont come...your grass will turn brown but the reunion will b on
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 12:21:20 (MDT
SATURDAY!!!!!...I work across the street from THE MUSEUM OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN. I'll stop by there during lunch tomorrow to see if I could get some Native Americans to do a dance for good weather on Saturday. I assume that if they could do a RAIN DANCE to bring on rain..they cerainly can do a dance to stop the rain from happening. Lets hope so !!
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 11:34:40 (MDT
Mike D. and I have plenty of surplus sunshine. We'll send it Fed Ex for Saturday Delivery.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 11:20:18 (MDT
Perri Nussbaum - I have my reasons for not attending, nothing personal
Marty Grossman <fellamhg@hotmail.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 11:13:16 (MDT
Hey Steve . . Pack up some of that beautiful southern California weather in your suitcase (or backpack, if we're really going down memory lane) and BRING IT WITH YOU!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 09:31:51 (MDT
Chip Monk
dave rosenbluth
USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 08:43:51 (MDT
Wavy Gravy
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 07:42:35 (MDT
It's getaway day in LA....with apologies to Ray Lewkow, who gave me part of the quote and Max Yasgur whose farm Elliot Lewkow remembers so fondly....I'd love to hear this on the bullhorn "Springfield Blvd is closed...traffic is backed up all the way to Northern Boulevard...It's a free concert from here on!" It is a free concert. If anyone is ready to give birth that day...I hope you get to LIJ. Does anyone need a map?
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Mid Queens Boys Club, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 06:33:32 (MDT
Yes Peri . . we still have a raindate on Sunday. The softball field is reserved from 2 - 4 pm as well, with the same schedule of events . . Ellen . . It will have to monsoon on Sunday for me to cancel the reunion (please see my posting on the Open Forum) . . By the way, if anyone has experience as an official crowd estimator, please e-mail me. We are going to need some official numbers. LOL.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 06:19:56 (MDT
I think we should have invested in an outdoor tent. What happens if it rains both days?
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <Smokeycat1999@juno.com>
west hempstead, ny USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 04:46:31 (MDT
To Everyone: I will be unable to attend this weekend's reunion, but I will be there in spirit. Enjoy, have a happy, healthy and safe time. Saul, take a lot of pictures. I expect to see them when you come out in August. My best to everyone. Again, enjoy.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Thursday, July 13, 2000 at 00:21:27 (MDT
We have a raindate of sunday still dont we???but dont worry it only rains when they say it wont
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 18:42:16 (MDT
So, anyone seen the weather forcast? But meterology is not an exact science, is it? Now is the time to test the power of positive thinking...and if that doesn't work, bring something to secure your picnic with. A little rain never scared me.
Helen Behar <Hindab@cruzio.com>
Bayside (until Mon.), USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 14:03:02 (MDT
You got that right Ed...that's the beauty of this site and the planned events for this weekend. Its our little secret and if anyone cares to understand it I'm sure that no one would object to having the TOTC/BPG/46/Yogis/The Lots etc etc etc and everything else explained to them. One things we all have in common about our "hood" is that we're not ashamed of it and we would gladly share it with anyone whocares to listen
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 08:57:45 (MDT
I have to echo Steve Weiss' sentiments . . How can anyone within driving distance of Alley Pond Park miss this event?? . . I mean where else on this planet can you find a group who knows that when you talk about Yogi's, it's not Mr. Berra's house!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 08:08:22 (MDT
Marty Grossman...what do u mean enjoy the reunion...u live right in bpg and u arent coming????why not???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 06:13:10 (MDT
First Lapal hits us with a quick jab, then Weiss unleashes a flurry of combinations. What are the Lew Brothers to do? Larry Schwartz, thanks for making this incredibe site possible. Ed Lapal, I admire your determination to make this 1st, of hopefully many TOTC reunions a reality. Steve Weiss, I'll see you when you get home, and I won't be backpedaling. In the past year I've made so many reconnections with the great people I grew up with. I'll miss embracing each and every one of you.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 01:35:52 (MDT
My very best wishes to all for a wonderful reunion on Saturday..... Eat lots of black & white cookies... drink lots of black & white ice cream sodas at Yogi's... and wear black & white Converse sneakers.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Wednesday, July 12, 2000 at 01:24:11 (MDT
Don't worry...the Blue Bay has plenty of food....just don't order the chopped liver!
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Nathaniel Hawthorne JHS 74, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 23:16:37 (MDT
And now a word about the Lewkow Bros. First, understand I love those guys..Second, kudos to both of them for being regular contributors. But, riding into town--hide the women...Hah! You would think with Elliot inducted in the Bayside Bomber Hall of Fame after fleeing LA to move to Detroit, he would want to take his swings. And Ray, who captained the team I managed...a team that won 6 Divisional titles and 1 LA City Championship during an unprecedented 20 year run ending in 1999..would want to take some cuts on Diamond #7. Now for the rest of the story...What happened to you Elliot? The first time I laid eyes on you was circa 1965, you had quite a rep as the neighborhood bully and you were meeting with the posse who delivered your whole newspaper route for you. That meeting took place on Windsor Oaks grounds and being 8 years old at the time, I wanted no part of you. So now you can't make the trip because the kinder are returning that day from a trip. Hint, they're at the age where they could care less if you were there when they got back! Get your butt on a plane! And my dear Raymond...you've backpedalled much the same way some remember you did during the famous sold out boxing match at TOTC between you and the legendary Frankie Lewis. There were more than 100 witnesses who packed the D lawn that sultry summer night in the mid '70s. You owe it to your fans to be there..oldtimer! It was such a huge happening, we kicked Sgt. Joe King off the lawn (actually I threw him a 5 spot to stay away). And the show opened with Farrell Siverberg playing the Star Spangled Banner on his harmonica. Who is Farrell and maybe he could show up to the reunion to reprise his effort?...riveting. Alas, it appears you won't be there to hear it. Maybe, just maybe I'll turn on my cell phone for 5 minutes so everyone can holler at you both.
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Alexander Graham Bell Blvd, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 23:10:41 (MDT
Hi all- I have not written on this site in a very long time. I have been scanning the site and can't believe how many familiar names I see. MESSAGE TO ALLEN RINGLER - DON'T YOU HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS? Contact me. My brother told me you were sending messages on here. I can't believe you remember my 56 Caddy. Enjoy the reunion everyone.
Marty Grossman <fellamhg@hotmail.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 22:14:21 (MDT
STEVE: Sure! Lets all meet in my folks 4 room apt., and have a REALLY cozy re-bonding. I vote that we all pull an all nighter at Alley Pond, and watch the sun come up until the reunion. (I am half kidding, too old for that sort of thing now...) I think that if anyone has extra baseball mits they should bring them in case folks can be persuaded to play at the last minute, and as a mitzvah, bring whatever extra food to share with those that don't bring any. Ed- my son's name is Danny Goldsmith, not Behar, but no problem. He will bring along some young blood in the form of another 14 year old. And- the phrase, "it ain't the heat, its the humidity, has been given new meaning, for this Californian... But, I have put out into the universe and order for a beautiful, breezy DRY day on Sat. See ya...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Bayside (for the moment), USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 20:29:18 (MDT
If wecan't meet at Blue Bay lets all just meet at the TOTC. After all thats what started it all. See you all soon. Helen..w.e could always meet at your parents house.....the humidity only started last night. Otherwise its been really nice for the past few weeks. Lets hope the weather holds
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 14:31:12 (MDT
Lori Krutoy-- Yes my sister is Marlene Gromer, now Patacky. She has a 16 yr old daughter, and a son who just finished the 6th grade. Iwill forward your e-mail address to her like I did with Andrea Krest. I never had Mr. Quinones however all my friends did and loved him. I just checked the pictures on this site and did not see the picture you discribed. The reunion sounds great. I will be unable to attend. Please send my love to anyone who remembers me. Thanks------Sandy
Sandy (Gromer) Eisenberg <sandyeisenberg@juno.com>
Leawood , KS USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 14:20:35 (MDT
Or Dizzy Wilensky hitting his patented running lefthand hook bank shot Saturday morning at 46 schoolyard . . while biting his nails at the same time!! LOL Pete, wherever you are.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 12:28:01 (MDT
And the Lewkow Brothers . . riding into town . . Tell all the women to hide their children! There's going to be a shootout at the OK driveway.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 11:21:42 (MDT
What about Estelle???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 10:54:11 (MDT
Celebrities who may possibly show at the reunion - Ron Jeremy (Hyatt) and Joe (Bovino) The Ice Cream Man . . Could it be more disparate than that!! Something for everyone . . Has anyone heard from Richard Dreyfuss??
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 09:19:18 (MDT
Thanks Helen ... and Steve too! Everything Everything Everything for a reason. After initially speaking to someone there awhile back I thought that it could turn into a cluster f#%* - being Friday night etc. After a little thought I simply invoked the Boy Scouts, something I learned on a leadership training course I took awhile back and the Koran ... Be Prepared, Things Change and Trust In Allah - But Tie Your Camel. Ed has consistantly delivered a very practical attitude towards things all along and I'll mention it again here - Take care of your own needs. So having a Plan B is an excellent idea ... just in case the International Order of Odd Fellows reunion gets there 15 minutes before us. It just adds to the excitement. See y'all Friday!
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Tuesday, July 11, 2000 at 04:39:52 (MDT
Hey all... I'm here, and it is soooo muggy! So- I went to the Blue Bay with my son and his friend for luch today, and Saul- I spoke to the greeter guy- who seemed to be pretty much in the know- and he was CLUELESS about the plan for folks to gather at the Blue Bay. I don't want to throw cold water on this now, but he seemed somewhat alarmed at the notion of dozens of people descending on the place on a Fri night. There will be plenty of other people (besides TOTC) there as well. I'm sure that you DID speak to someone Saul, but apparantly the message didn't get to the powers that be, there. So.... I guess we shall see. I know that there is a lot of optimism about this, but I think that possibly folks should develop their own Plan B's. At any rate see you all at the reunion Sat., and I'm sure it will be great.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Bayside (for the moment), USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 22:10:49 (MDT
Any planned events for the reunion. Stickball game at 46, punchball in driveway, or 5th-6th grade oldtimers punchball game at 46. Who will stand in for Mrs. Mack? Johnny on the pony at 74. Little League parade down 218th, cut class at diner across from FLHS (ooops, that diner is gone.)
Stuart Schneider <schneiss@aol.com>
Levittown, NY USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 15:05:32 (MDT
I have taken the liberty of notifying Adrian's bakery to prepare extra trays of black and whites for both Saturday and Sunday . . What's a picnic in the park without a black and white? But you're going to have to buy your own.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 12:59:04 (MDT
Steve Willet et al - I contacted the Blue Bay awhile back and they are aware of the upcoming onslaught. They do not take reservations and the maximum # of folks/table is 10. Folks will start arriving at approx 6:30 PM ... no problem, we'll just make it happen (some prayers will help too). By the by - what's happening with Peter and Gary ... will they be there?
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 12:37:25 (MDT
Just wanted to say to all of you that it sure is great to see so much enthusiasm as you head towards your reunion. Steve Weiss you sound like quite a cheerleader-that's great. The 205 reunion for 7/29 is gaining steam as well and we are over 100 confirmed to attend with more to come. I think it's just tremendous that these events are happening and maybe the next step{next year or in the future} is to organize a joint event! Anyway it sounds like you guys are gonna have a great time! Wish I could come!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or hottuna24@home.com>
USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 09:29:43 (MDT
Just a thought. HAS ANYONE INFORMED THE BLUE BAY DINER THAT THEY MAY BE REALLY BUSY ON FRIDAY NIGHT ????. Maybe they should build a temporary extention. Steve Weiss...just read your posting about catching tadpoles in Alley Pond.....hate to tell you this but if you want to catch any tadpoles you should buy them before you come...oh yes...bring some water too...the lake has since dried up, Thanks for the memory.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 06:32:50 (MDT
Gary: Thanks for writing in with those memories. Great to hear from you again. Steve Weiss: Give me a shout to let me know when you are coming in so we can hook up. I'll be at the reunion with my family that includes my two sons, the new millenium's (new and improved) version of the Schwartz brothers.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, July 09, 2000 at 21:08:46 (MDT
There were more than 700 hits this weekend...I hope there are enough "My Name Is...." tags on Saturday. This is a really simple proposition...The site was developed in the hopes of connecting people. It stands to reason we'd hit our older and younger siblings and that happened..In a big way. Obviously children of all ages are reading. For those of you in the Tri-State area or within 3 hours for that matter...what are you doing sitting on the fence about this. It costs you nothing...pack up that fashtunkina SUV you bought, because it is so conveeeeenient, and bring the whole family. All you need is a blanket and something to keep the kids busy. Once they get there, they'll be as happy as you. As for me, I'll be happy whichever Schwartz, Goldberg, Rovitz, Bernstein, Floss or Zimmerman shows up....Isn't that the point? Whether you pals liked the version recorded by Martha Reeves and the Vandellas, the Stones or the Dead...the most important line is..."It doesn't matter what you wear, just so long as you are there!" Just think how you'll feel 10 years from now when your kids tell you how much fun THEY HAD hanging out at the picnic in the park in the old neighborhood. Kapische!?! Now I'll get off my soap box. Feel free to load up my e-mail....More to come.......
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Shea Stadium, NY USA - Sunday, July 09, 2000 at 19:43:47 (MDT
Raise your hand if your going to the reunion this weekend.
Trudy Morgan Mazin <gmazin@aol.com>
Randolph , NJ USA - Sunday, July 09, 2000 at 18:08:16 (MDT
Don - Great idea. I suggest we also take a moment during announcements to honor those veterens ... parents, relatives, friends, etc ... who have passed away. It's getting down to the wire folks. If you have any music requests email them to me ASAP. Ed is providing the TOTC banner and I was thinking about doing a Legacy Banner - something for everyone to sign and write on - possibly a piece of canvas. Who wishes to step up and make this happen? Really looking forward to seeing everyone at the Blue Bay and reunion. Gee, what's going to happen Saturday night?
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Sunday, July 09, 2000 at 10:13:07 (MDT
Does anyone remember Richard Dreyfuss? I ran into him outside of the Bay St. Theater in Sag Harbor where he starred in a play last year. I told him I was a former neighbor at BPG and he seemed quite impressed!
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 16:12:09 (MDT
hi does anybody know whatever happened to ms silva or how i can conatact her she taught math at cardozo thanks
josh rose <jir57@aol.com>
coral springs, fl USA - Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 12:47:36 (MDT
Carrie - I think you mean Mrs. Fitzgerald from 74. She was a great Spanish teacher - very energetic and enthusiastic but cruel, too. I remember a tall boy who sat in the back on the room and one day he was rubbing his head and she asked him if he was looking for dandruf and from that day on he became, "Flakey". I don't know if she named him that or the kids but I think it was Mrs. Fitzgerald. A few months later he got accepted to Stuvesant HS and she did not hide her amazement. What a B#$%!
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 09:45:48 (MDT
In response to Larry Rose's post of where is everyone who started this.....they are out there lurking. I'm as guilty as the next guy. Let's face it, a web site doesn't attract these many hits a day and only a few posts without people being interested. I take my hat off to the older guys and gals who have kept up. The idea for the site is being accomplished. Some of us have chosen to communicate with our peers by e-mail however, Larry's point is well taken and we should contribute!!!!! I will try to post each day leading up to the reunion. Now, regarding the reunion: What other time in the history of the world could a clarion call be made to people who no longer live somewhere...to come home? A high school reunion...big deal. This is multi generational. With all due respect to "Lefty" Lefton's multiple Good Shabbos greetings...blowing the shofar could only be heard by the neighbors...this site has travelled around the world and back....SEE ALL OF YOU AT ALLEY POND....MAYBE WE'LL GO HUNTING FOR TADPOLES!!!!!!!
Steven Weiss <sweiss8008@aol.com>
Woodland Hills, CA USA - Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 09:02:34 (MDT
Alan - You mean there's an ISLAND called Jamaica TOO? I suppose next you'll try to convince me that Nassau is a tropical paradise as well. You can't fool us Queens/ Long Island boys!!
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, NY USA - Saturday, July 08, 2000 at 04:22:29 (MDT
What happened to all those people who were on when this TOTC started.. Where did all the people of the class of 75 go? Hope you guys come back....It seems that now all the people who are signing in are from an select group of BPG. And much older. Peter Drew wow that's a name from the far past, Are you still teaching? You taught a great film course which was my introduction to films... thanks I will be forever greatful since that is something I love!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to know your still around and you seem to be the only teacher from Cardozo who has gone on this internet site...
L Rose <loganzack@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 22:56:13 (MDT
What happened to all the original people who started this at the beginning, where did they go? All the people from the class of 75. Hope those people come back since most of the people now are people who are clearly from an older generation of BPG. Peter Drew wow that a name from the past... Are you still teaching? Lori Saltzman say hi to you?
L Rose <loganzack@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 22:49:01 (MDT
AMAZING to see TOTC and read chunks of my history. Thank you Larry. It brings back affection and admiration that I had for so many of these guys at the schoolyard. And the incredible thing is that, in my mind, no one has changed since 4th grade. Anyway, here's a few of my memories: the mistake made at Bubba's Bar Mitzvah of putting pixie footballs in the table bouquets, getting caught passing a note to Flake in Home Economic's class that commented on the origin of Mrs. Tosiello's Rice Krispy balls, Alterbaum running down the steep, rocky hill behind Korvettes in 9 seconds when I (thinking I was a Sherpa guide having moved to the houses near Korvettes) didn't believe it could be done in less than 8 minutes and spin the bottle! in Holly Lachowitz's basement -- where are you Holly Lachowitz? One of the most striking memories, as I see to many of the 46 crowd, was the 5th vs. 6th grade All Star Game which back then seemed like an All Century team of athletes. I remember feeling honored to be playing against Yankowitz? and a Dino? (centerfield?) and with Karlin, Jet and Mike. Faint but fond memories. I also remember Breitstein's soulful renditions of "You Betta Hide Your Head in the Sand Little Girl." I just discovered TOTC yesterday and plan to be out west next week so unfortuneately I'll miss the reunion. I wish all my old friends the very best.
gary gutterman <gg55nyc@juno.com>
new york, ny USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 22:27:25 (MDT
I just had a great call with Ron Hyatt. Helen Behar, who at this moment is on her way here, wrote me and said that Ron might attend the reunion AND wants to contribute to the DJ. She was busy with last minute plans and asked if I would call him, which I did. Ron is a blast to talk with. He's currently doing stand-up comedy and is on tour opening for several more 'known' comedians. When discussing his acting career he mentioned a number of movies that people would be surprised to see him in including, Ronin (with Robert DeNiro), Reindeer Games, Boondock Saints and cameos in a number of MTV musicals and videos. While on the phone he wrote a check, addressed an envelope and sent it to me as a donation to the DJ. He has shows Friday and Sunday (before and after the reunion) and will give it his best to fly in to attend. Hope to see you there Ron - and thanks for your commitment to the reunion.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 19:58:31 (MDT
Hey Harold - Funny that you have such fond memories of Mr. Quiones. Mine were a bit different... During one exciting day in Spanish class, he asked me (in Spanish, por supuesto) if I believed in God! I answered no - and he called me stupid in front of the class! If there WAS a god, he said, I would just go to hell - so why don't I just believe in him, so I could go to heaven instead? Beleive it or not - I think I owe my love of languages to Mrs. Fitzpatrick. She was looney tunes, but made learning fun! Despite Mr. Quiones calling me tonto, I still love the romance languages - and hope my daughter grows up alot more fluent than I am. Despite those language experiences in 74 and Cardozo, I ended up studying French and Hebrew - and speaking a pretty decent Italian. (and a bit of Schweitzer- deutch from my ski left days in Zermatt) All you kids studying languages out there - there's hope! My Mom turned 80 the other day - Susie and I and our families spent the day with her in Oregon.
Carrie Dovzak <dovlin@earthlink.net>
Berkeley, CA USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 17:28:47 (MDT
Hey Harold - Funny that you have such fond memories of Mr. Quiones. Mine were a bit different... During one exciting day in Spanish class, he asked me (in Spanish, por supuesto) if I believed in God! I answered no - and he called me stupid in front of the class! If there WAS a god, he said, I would just go to hell - so why don't I just believe in him, so I could go to heaven instead? Beleive it or not - I think I owe my love of languages to Mrs. Fitzpatrick. She was looney tunes, but made learning fun! Despite Mr. Quiones calling me tonto, I still love the romance languages - and hope my daughter grows up alot more fluent than I am. Despite those language experiences in 74 and Cardozo, I ended up studying French and Hebrew - and speaking a pretty decent Italian. (and a bit of Schweitzer- deutch from my ski left days in Zermatt) All you kids studying languages out there - there's hope! My Mom turned 80 the other day - Susie and I and our families spent the day with her in Oregon.
Carrie Dovzak <dovlin@earthlink.net>
Berkeley, CA USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 17:28:46 (MDT
Bernie .. I got an Italian and a woman from Jamaica ( the island , not Queens ) ... to say it to each other here at work today ... maybe I'm Henry Kissinger !!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 15:08:47 (MDT
And the same to you Rabbi Lefton - from your congregants at The Top Of The Court
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 13:44:53 (MDT
So it's Friday in New York, and we have good weather, a good weekend coming, and Good Shabbas !!!! Alan
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, July 07, 2000 at 12:41:32 (MDT
I loved playing handball at 46, as well as baseball!
MEREDITH LEEDS JAFFESS <bjjmcj@AOL.COM>
NY USA - Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 17:44:02 (MDT
Who saw Joe Piscopo doing Frank Sinatra doing Bruce Spring-styne? Well, we will have our own version of this eclectic assortment of music at the TOTC reunion. Thanks to the overwhelming support, or desire for music, expressed by you folks, we have arranged for a DJ to provide great music at the reunion. From Big Band to Dion to The Beetles to Eric Clapton, the Squirrel Nut Zippers and even Andrea Bocelli ... get ready to dance up a storm. So for the young, not so young and young at heart ... bring your favorite partner and your dancing shoes, or just enjoy the music. The music, provided by a local Bayside DJ company, will happen between 2-6 PM. It's now time for all folks who pledged to contribute to follow through (thanks to those who already did). Money can be collected at the Blue Bay, on the day of the reunion (cash is good) or you call the DJ company directly and put it on your credit card. Contact me first. Also ... drum roll please ... one of our own 'lovely ladies' is now the Official Mistress of Mischief. She will introduce herself in do time. So get your gloves, bats, food, chairs and spirits ready ... A Splendid Time Is Guaranteed For All!!!
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 10:49:00 (MDT
ALLEN ( Muggy ) Ringler .... Column 2, Row 1 is Carmine Electra. However, I may be wrong about this .......
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, July 06, 2000 at 07:51:40 (MDT
Class Photo: PS46 1961 Class 6-1 Mrs. R. Mack: Does anyone know who the following people are: Column 2, Row 1 (I believe her 1st or last name is Leslie) and Column 7, Row 4 (I believe her 1st name is Margaret)? Also, I believe the person in Column 9, Row 2 is Emmy Liu. Is this correct? Is her 1st name spelled correctly? Thank you for your help.
Allen Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, July 05, 2000 at 18:38:19 (MDT
On this 4th of July it was a beautiful sight to see the many flags flying outside apartments. Several flags were flown hanging outside of windows. In a few courts the Bell Park tradition of having a Court Barbeque was in full swing as evidenced by the many shareholders participating. What was missing were the presence of young children. In any case I'm sure everyone enjoyed themselves. Happy Holiday to all from the Roth Family and hope to meet and greet all at the Reunion on the 15th of July. Regards to all, Paul Roth.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 21:26:05 (MDT
Steve does that mean i have to return the matching firesoles i bought them...imagine twin pros!!!!!watch out tiger!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 04:12:28 (MDT
In case anyone is interested I just found out that Francis Lewis is having a 40th anniversary reunion 9/23-9/24. As soon as I get more information I will post it
Jackie Coster Wieczkowski <jackiew48@yahoo.com>
Massapequa, NY USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 20:40:16 (MDT
Peri- Congrats to your brother and to your whole family. I really don't think that your first gift to the twins should be golf clubs. Wait a year!
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 20:21:04 (MDT
Congratulations to your family, Peri! Freyda Konigsberg Kolinsky
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 18:29:23 (MDT
Congratulations to my brother Barry and his wife...they had twin boys at around 3:00 this am...Spencer Joseph arrived at 3:06 am weighing in at 4 pounds 2 ounces 16 1/2 inches long and Dashiell Kenneth arrived at 3:14 am weighing 4 pounds exactly and 15 1/2 inches long...rumor has it that they are VERY CUTE!!!!!i havent seen them since they live in Boston but i trust that they are VERY CUTE!!!!We are all very excited and wish them the best...cant wait to see them...cant believe my baby brother is a daddy!!!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 16:52:39 (MDT
Happy 4th to you too, Peter Drew. Definitely the coolest educator in my too long academic career. Great to see you here ... I just discovered this place myself a few weeks ago.
Steven Haffner <Lastwaltz1@aol.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 10:51:06 (MDT
Hi, Happy 4th! I just attended a retirement party for 7 teachers,6 of which I knew, last June 26. Everett Weng, Dave Feldman, Jeff Gottlieb, Ira Levine, Marty Hersh and Jim McCullagh. Now all the teachers who opened up Cardozo in 1967 have gone to other "pastures". Also, the school is on its 4th principal. Ben Michaelson who opened up the school is alive and well in Florida at 90! When I go to these parties I generally get up to date on deaths,"transfigurations", elevations, demotions etc. I've heard from many of you and even had the opportunity to meet with some that I've not seen in 25 years. This is a great medium and it's a good thing that there are people in my building under 12 years of age to teach me how to use it. Larry. You get A + Sincerely Peter Drew
Peter Drew <d3dfilm@earthlink.net>
USA - Monday, July 03, 2000 at 07:39:38 (MDT
Stephanie, I am also a guidance counselor for NYC Bd. of Ed. Been at Automotive HS in Greenpoint, Brooklyn for 14 years. Where are you? I also taught in Cardozo HS from 1975-1979. "Welcome Back Kotter"... what an experience that was!!
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Sunday, July 02, 2000 at 10:38:45 (MDT
Mrs. Cooperman was a teacher at Lewis before she became AP at Cardozo and I was a monitor for her. I always thought she was very nice and I couldn't believe she trusted me to grade her exams and then enter them in the buff colored cardboard marking book which by the way is still used today. I, too, shout, "No more pencils, no more books......" on June 30 because I have been a teacher/ guidance counselor with the NYC Bd of Ed for 23 years now and let me tell you it's great (in July and August)
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, USA - Sunday, July 02, 2000 at 10:01:48 (MDT
I'm sorry Jeff. That wasn't very fair . . . should be three days!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 13:59:29 (MDT
I didn't know that . . . What, it takes you about a week by horse drawn wagon?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 13:40:04 (MDT
Waaaazzzzzzuuuuppp. Hey Ed, did you miss me??? Just got back from 10 days in the caribbean, have enough time to do my laundry (and make sure my business is still running) then it's off again on July 8th to Barbados & Grenada for two weeks (it's tough but someone has to do it). Allen Ringler....although I'm a few years older, I remember you and your multiple casts. I was (and am) good friends with Artie Cohn (noticed his photo in your class picture). Artie lives in Vermont and is director of the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum. He's done underwater archaeology with grants from National Geographic and Smithsonian. I've been meaning to call him about TOTC, maybe now I'll do it. Sorry I'll be underwater (scuba) while ya'll are re-unioning. Have a wonderful time and look forward to seeing some amazing entries on this website upon my return.
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
SAVANNAH, GA USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 13:37:36 (MDT
Ed L$#@^a^&%p)&*^a^+_#l.....please consult your world atlas. Although Savannah (where I reside) and Atlanta are in the same state, they happen to be 275 miles apart (further than N.Y. to Boston). Georgia is the largest state east of the Mississippi, therefore I forgive your lack of geographical omniscience.
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
SAVANNAH, GA USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 13:12:46 (MDT
Harold and Ray, The last day of school. Sleeping until noon on that first Saturday! As kids, we left the building singing,"no more pencils, no more books, no more teachers' dirty looks." Life was simple.
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 11:40:22 (MDT
And Braves!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 10:44:47 (MDT
Stephanie--The Schwartz kids moveddown to the metro Atlanta area many years ago. At one time Steven, who is an orthopedist now, was the team doctor for the Atlanta Hawks.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 09:54:20 (MDT
Thanks to Allen Ringler for sending in the photo of Mrs. Mack's 6-1 class of 1961. See it on the class photos page.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Saturday, July 01, 2000 at 07:08:27 (MDT
I also have a nice Little League memory. It may have been in my second year or so. I was playing centerfield at the time. The Batter slammed a drive to deep left center( or what passed for deep in the Little League). I wsa chugging after it, really hauling the mail when I reached out in a twisted backhand, stretched out almost to a dive, and snatched that sucker out of the air. I was surprised as hell....and after a while,very proud of myself......Still am! It definitely would have made the ESPN ' Play of the Week' highlights. Like Babe Lapal,those great childhood baseball memories really stick ...... a permanent replay.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 16:42:24 (MDT
Ok Alan.....there ya go. I can go light my candles now.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 15:44:47 (MDT
GOOD SHABBAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alan "Lefty" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 15:02:20 (MDT
Hey Ray, Alan D and other '53ers ... Do any of you remember our 6th grade graduation day? Not any of the official stuff, but what we did right afterwards in the lots? I believe it was just the guys (don't remember any girls there) and what a scene it caused. I'll let this sit for awhile and see if any of you remember.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 13:39:24 (MDT
Harold.....that one is a great memory we all remember........FREEDOM !! But then unless there was camp, we would HOCK our mothers with " I have nothing to do! " They would wonder why we thought it was Their resposibility to entertain us. Then it was off to freecamp or hanging out in the lots. Out here the kids get off the middle of May before it gets real hot.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 13:02:14 (MDT
Remember all the fireworks set off by the flagpole on the evening of July 4th ? Roman candles, ash cans, cherry bombs, packs of firecrackers. What noise and fun !! Thanks goodness, I don't remember any serious injuries from it.
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 09:26:03 (MDT
Harold, your story about Mr Quinones is great. When I had him i was a B student in French, next year with Mrs Cooperman she told me early on that I wouldn't pass the class{we ended up getting a tutor}. Before I graduated, I told Mr quinones that story and he smirked and said that it wouldn't have happened that way with him-he said he would have been willing to work with me every day at no cost! Cooperman didn't even bother to return my tutors calls to see if my progress was resulting in better grades. What a difference a caring teacher can make in a person's life.
dave rosenbluth
USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 08:17:18 (MDT
Harold that's a great memory! Regardless of what the calender said, summer began at 3:00 p.m. on the last Friday in June.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 08:15:25 (MDT
Since we love to go back and reminisce about memories, what about one of our most cherished days of the year? Today, June 30, the last day of school!!!How can anyone forget that feeling of freedom as we used to run down the school stairs at 3 o'clock and raced towards the doors that kept us in prison for ten months. How many can remember the thoughts going through our minds as we finished that last day? Ahhh....memories.
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 06:43:13 (MDT
Janet...almost forgot...it was springfield blvd. not bell park blvd...and my mom is now on the phone and she says barry was chubby as a little boy but always cute!!!!!she wants to know what eddie and your mom are doing...she remembers u as being very pretty and very smart....by the way my brother is still very cute...but not chubby...my mom says she saw bernice at your graduation from queens college
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 19:22:49 (MDT
Janet, of course i remember u and your brother eddie spagetti one meatball!!!and your folks!!!michael does not come on the site...too busy unfortunately...he is a neurobiologist at the univ.of penn. he is getting married sept 24 of this year to a very nice woman..lory...my younger brother barry...who was not chubby by the way...is married living in boston and his wife is currently in the hospital awaiting the birth of their twins...should be any day now!!!my father is not as tall as he used to be but he and my mom are well...the still live in bpg but they now live at 218-04 68th avenue in a 6 which they moved to about 30 years ago...glad to see u on the site...what is everyone in your family up to and are u coming to the reunion???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 19:12:57 (MDT
I just heard about this site today from my accountant who is also originally from Bayside. I lived at 67-44 Bell Park Blvd. The Nusbaumslived upstairs from us . Peri, I see your name and Saul Wilner's name on the postings I've looked at. Do you remember me? I was a little older than you, but I was younger than your brother Michael. I remember your mom and dad, Lee and Nuss, so well. You also had a cute, chubby little brother. Was his name Barry? My brother was Eddie. My mother was Bernice and my father was Joel. We moved away in the early sixties; I finished second grade at PS46 and then we moved to Far Rockaway. Our parents were good friends. My father died in 1966, and everyone from Bayside came to see us. That was the last time I saw people from Bayside. Does Michael ever go on this site? Are both your parents alive? I can just picture your dad - he was so tall- I liked him so very much.
Janet Fletcher (Rosenbloom) <fletch11@westnet.com>
Katonah, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 17:05:55 (MDT
When I was taking my Spanish Regents, it was Nathan Quinones who spent almost every afternoon after school tutoring me. Years later I was working at Walton High School in the Bronx and he came there as Chancellor. He walked by the Principal, Asst Principals, Chairpersons and came directly to me and gave me a hug. Of course I passed (barely), but because of him, I was also lucky enough to graduate. Thanks Mr Quinones wherever you are.
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 17:00:59 (MDT
Anyone have MISS (until she got married - YES Franny, we were there) Roberta Zigman for French in 74. Small, or tres petite, and a bundle of energy. A lot of fun really - especially when she took her classes to a French restaurant each year (is Neil Okun lurking - he would know). In her French class I was blessed with two gifts ... one was having a great accent (mais je sais rien en francais) and ... two was somehow always sitting next to Suzanne Smiley ... the first blond love of my (fantasy) life. Suzanne had a heart of gold and ... well, I passed every quarter, city wide and regents tests. A tu bonne sante wherever you are!
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 16:30:49 (MDT
nathan quinones is the same guy, from Cardozo and Board of Ed-I had him for French as a freshman, then I had Mrs Cooperman-a real witch!
dave rosenbluth
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 16:05:07 (MDT
LOL .
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:52:23 (MDT
Mr. Webmaster . . I am truly sorry. I realize now that quoting William Shakespeare has nothing whatsoever to do with the memories guestbook. But . . . DAVID MADE ME DO IT!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:36:28 (MDT
And I thought that was Billy Shakespeare . . See what happens when I try to get a little cultured?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:16:58 (MDT
Ed, I didn't realize you were a big Woody Allen fan.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:10:26 (MDT
Or take arms against them in a sea of trouble. And by opposing, end them. THE BARD.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:05:49 (MDT
Ed, sure you can..... But who would have the guts to wear YOUR name tag and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune ?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 15:01:11 (MDT
Steph . . . Ellen, Enid and Steven Schwartz joined their parents in HOTLANTA (Atlanta, GA) the last I knew (about 5 years ago) . . Ask Jeff Klein @#$%&%*) to look them up!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 14:43:11 (MDT
Saul - You mentioned Nathan Quinones was the AP Foreign Lang. at Cardozo. Do you know if this is the same as the former NYC Chancellor of the Bd of Ed? Does anyone remember or know the whereabouts of Deanne Shaprio, Ellen, Enid or Steven Schwartz from the court on Springfield and 69 Avenue or the twins Sheila and Stepanie Altman who lived on Springfield at 73rd Avenue? Stephanie Belkin Abrams
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 14:38:10 (MDT
David . . . Since you won't be there . . can I wear your name tag? Never know if 205 Park is going to show up in force!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 14:34:49 (MDT
Saul, I cant make the reunion but I love your idea of wearing switched name tags and trying to figure out if they are the original or someone else's. I'm sure a lot of people have changed from our 30 year old memory of their faces.....Think of that idea seriously....That could be a great game in and of itself.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 14:07:42 (MDT
Throughout my days at BNC HS I worked in the foreign language office - run at that time by Mr. Nathan Quinones - a really good man who I had fun working for because he tolerated my antics. Lefty is right - most of the supplies were from the AB Dick Company. However, the fluid that juiced the mimeograph machines (which did have that VERY distinct smell) was clear and the clear plastic cartridges were thin and wide and fit into these roller type machines. A stencil (the original) was laid flat on the roller which rotated, pulled the blank paper in and deposited the copies in another tray. Steve Willet - What's up with Gary & Peter and are they coming? Regarding Name Tags (and a little mischief): Here's everyones chance to be anyone they want to be (cross dressing is permitted).
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 13:40:18 (MDT
David ... I really don't know what a Rexograph machine is , but I also remember that the mimeograph supplies were made my a company called .. ( and I am a kidder , but this is no joke ) .. A. B. Dick Co.......... I'll just leave it at that before I get myself in trouble... Alan
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 12:45:48 (MDT
Alan, you're right. Mimeograph.....That smell meant test! If I caught a whiff of that today, I'm sure my brain would react with the same memory. In spite of that, like many others, I found the scent fascinating. Was the 'Rexograph' the same thing as the Mimeograph or was it a different machine?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 11:11:33 (MDT
Helen...I was going to include that fact but it woul dhave sparked some controversy. I agree with you :). The same goes for you. BTW Joel will be there
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 10:35:09 (MDT
Alan .. ...The "mimeo-graphed" tests were scary because... 1) They were tests and you could "smell" them coming .... d 2) They also smelled like a Doctor's office !!!! ....... Good Pre-Shabbas !!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 10:07:27 (MDT
The plan is that there will be a sign-in sheet and name tags (optional) available. I've already bought them. Working with Paul Roth to have the table manned (womanned?) by some of the BPG regulars who want to meet and greet the TOTC'ers.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 08:45:07 (MDT
Steve W. I'm laughing at your post now... You for one look EXACTLY as you did when you were 12, hair and all! But I agree, name tags might not be a bad idea.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 07:51:54 (MDT
Here's a memory some of you may share. Remember those mimeograph sheets with blue ink which our teachers used ? Remember their smell ? I particularly hated the smell when the sheets had on them a test which the teacher was passing out to the class.
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 07:30:55 (MDT
Gee ... I don't know ... the words "Lawrence Welk" and "exposure" in the same sentence seems a bit scary !!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 07:18:51 (MDT
Just occurred to me this morning that we may need name tags for this shindig. Remember, there have been many years out of the nest which may have taken a toll on our appearance. I'm sure that all of us are over 40 and that seems to indicate some weight gain, hair loss, eyesight loss, divorce...all things which may take a toll on each of us LOL.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 06:52:29 (MDT
Peri - I never meant to suggest that TOTC folks lacked manners, sorry you looked at it that way. I simply thought that if the reunion site is any distance from parking, some of the younger folks might contact the seniors beforehand to let them know that help will be available. Teetering on the edge of seniordom myself, I know that a little advance notice is important to people planning what to bring, especialy if schlepping is difficult for them.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 03:22:08 (MDT
I didnt know about vinny and i am soooo sorry to hear about it...i liked him very much...he lived in my court and my mom played cards with his mom....he was such a nice guy...my condolences to his family also
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 19:28:54 (MDT
To the Perlstein Family: I just learned of Vinny's ongoing struggle and his passing in December of 1999. I want to extend my condolences and let you know I feel very sad about his passing.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 18:52:15 (MDT
Re: Vinny Perlstein: I grew up with his brother Andy from the early 50's. I knew Vinny from the time he was a little kid. The last time I had heard Vinny was working as the head chef at a hotel in the Catskills. I am very sad that he passed away.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 18:48:11 (MDT
Francine...i think we were all raised with enough manners and class that it goes without saying that we would all pitch in and help any seniors we saw carrying stuff...cant imagine not doing that
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 18:46:19 (MDT
Peri, that is so great!!!!! Can't wait to meet you at the reunion. That visit to BPG really was a wonderful experience for my brother and I. Thanks to all who made this website possible.
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, MD USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 16:15:14 (MDT
and THAT'S the Saul Wilner we all know and love!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 15:48:17 (MDT
Point of Clarification - On the point of bad behavoir I had a few questions ... so I consulted the Talmud. Of course, what would Jews know about bad behavoir. So, I contacted the law firm that represents my granola company ... Dewey, Cheatum & Howe and spoke directly with the senior partner, J. Cheever Loophole, the Legal Eagle. According to informed sources (who know first hand) ... there IS a difference between bad behavoir and being socially unacceptable. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 15:45:19 (MDT
There's a man who's solution oriented. Now, let's do the math ... when I used to go fishing out of Freeport we always passed Guy Lombardo's dock where he parked his famous speed boat. That was ... before he died ... so we should get a good rate Steve, Nu, maybe even wholesale. If we get stuck, Ed just wrote me that he would volunteer to sing 40's, 50's & 60's love songs until we paid him to stop ... doo wop anyone?
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 15:36:08 (MDT
Gee Steve . . . and I thought that was Guy Lombardo (from Freeport)!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 15:09:09 (MDT
NEWS FLASH !!!! I JUST HEARD FROM LAWRENCE WELK (REMEMBER HIM ??) AND HE SAID THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE HIS ENTIRE ORCHESTRA PLAY AT THE REUNION FOR "FREE"...TtHAT'S RIGHT FOLKS ABSOLUTELY FREE. HE FIGURES THAT HE HASN'T HAD MUCH WORK IN YEARS AND THE EXPOSURE MIGHT DO HIM WELL.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 13:48:15 (MDT
Francine . . . A mitzvah, no doubt!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 12:50:37 (MDT
The reunion sounds like it's coming together beautifully. Wish I could be there to meet all my cyberplaymates and reminisce in person. One thing had occurred to me. If everyone's bringing their own everything, including chairs, grills, coolers, etc., will any of you who live nearby be available to help the older folks schlep thier stuff from home to the picnic area? It would be a real kindness to set that help up in advance, so they know they'll get some help. I'll bet the helper will get good things to eat too! Just an idea; anyone interested, let's see how we can set it up, OK?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 12:38:51 (MDT
Allan and/or anyone else . . . The one thing left for the reunion is softball bats/balls/bases. Surely someone is involved in their own or their kids softball league and can manage to bring the equipment bag. I'm looking for two to volunteer so that we have redundancy on this one . . . It's pretty hard to have a softball game without balls LOL. E-mail me or post up, it doesn't matter.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 12:38:13 (MDT
HI,LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING SOME (YOUNG) OLD FACES AT THE REUNION. IF THERE IS ANYTHING I CAN HELP WITH THAT DAY OR BEFORE.E-MAIL ME AND I WILL TRY TO HELP OUT.
ALLAN ROSENBAUM <AJRHEAR@AOL.COM>
COMMACK, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 11:55:49 (MDT
Hi Rona...spoke to my mom this morning and she said that yes they were sitting there...she said u were very nice and had come in for a wedding with your brother who came from out west...cant believe she remembered that much...thats pretty good for her...she said gloria was sooooo happy to see u!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 06:36:22 (MDT
Peri, please find out if your folks were there. After reading your name all these months it would really be a coincidence if your folks were out there with the group!!!
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, MD USA - Wednesday, June 28, 2000 at 05:06:30 (MDT
I've been reminded of my initial role as "organizer" of the reunion. Actually, the real story is that I wrote Ed, and said, if this is going to happen, someone needs to nudge it a bit. We came up with a date, and then short of some announcments around local motel possiblites, thats been the extent of my involvement... HOWEVER!! I want to put my 2cents in here around the DJ idea. I think having a DJ will enhance the event, make it more festive, and evoke some great memories- in the way of oldies. Unfortunatly, I can't afford to put out the bucks to retain a DJ, nor can Saul. So unless some anonomous doner steps up to the plate for the retainer (to be re-imbursed after donations at the event) we'll need to fuggedaboutit...As for the food, I'd love a caterer serving us as much as the next person, but- way too complicated, Bring your own vegie burgers...And- I know that everyone will be great- and is seasoned and wise enough to not need warnings about bad behavior. Lets make this a great, DEMOCRATIC, people's event!! !See you soon. Helen Behar Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 21:24:16 (MDT
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 21:32:34 (MDT
ReUnion News - Speaking for myself, and those of you who responded, the idea of having a place all set up when we arrive is great ... with food and music at our beck and call and ready to serve US! Ed and I do not agree on this and, specifically, the Ed half of the Event Coordinator team (Ed & Helen) thinks the DJ and food are a bad idea. I mention this to ask if any one of our more 'successful' alumni is interested in initially sponsoring the DJ - and then collect on it afterwards. I am willing to continue to help organize things but not willing to assume the exposure of signing to pay the DJ, then collecting afterwards. A number of people have stepped up to contribute, even folks who aren't attending but simply want to be part of this historic event - I'm really touched by this selfless giving energy, it's wonderful. So if someone is willing to initially sponsor the DJ, let me know. Blue Bay News - bring your pictures, memories and artifacts ... this is shaping up to be a blast.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 18:25:54 (MDT
Geez, whoda thunk it. When I started this reunion thing, I never thought I'd be asked to sign furlough papers!! . . Seriously, I don't remember a Bud Greer from high school but that doesn't mean he's just blowin' smoke. I sent him an e-mail asking for some feedback. If anyone knows him, please e-mail me and tell me if he is running a number on me or what?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 10:16:28 (MDT
To Ed Lapel: Ed, it¡¯s been a long time. My uncle told me about this cite during his last visit. I read all of the pages in one shot (Ive really got to be a fast reader since my incarceration). These stories made me remember the times we used to hang out in old Francis Lewis. I would really like to go to this reunion even if I didn¡¯t live in your housing area (but I know I a lot of guys who did). I will be eligible for a week-end furlough on that weekend but I need someone to sign for me (my uncle said he can¡¯t). You don¡¯t have to come up to Ossining just a letter and phone call. Please let me know.
Bud Greer <bud_greer@yahoo.com>
Ossining, NY USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 00:38:53 (MDT
Hi Freyda, nice to see your name come up on this site. I know you won't recognise my name untill I say Donald from around the corner. How are you doing? How is Warren? Haven't seen you since I worked at Bob's repair shop in W.Hempstead. That was years ago! Tell Phil to get on this site. I know he has a lot of friends here. Send my Love to your parents for me.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Tuesday, June 27, 2000 at 00:04:05 (MDT
Larry, Months ago when I mentioned Steve Haffner's name you asked me if he was the guy that showed up at the schoolyard with shoe boxes full of baseball cards. Okay Haffy now that you've confirmed you're the guy, and you say you left 46 with our cards, were they Buster Brown, Stride Rite, or Thom McCann boxes? Also where did you keep the shoe boxes stashed? In the lots or in Tommie's Parkhouse? C'mon Haffy we've got to know.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 22:38:10 (MDT
Lew: Its Haffner that I recall came with the shoebox full of cards. Can't confirm that he left with 'em, but who am I to argue with Steve's memory. I'd accompany my mom shopping at Big Apple and she'd pay me a nickel, which I would put in the baseball card vending machine on Springfield, outside one of the stores (was it Red Arrow?). I'd turn the dial, and out would spew 5 baseball cards and a stick of gum. The vending machine would have a plastic shield with cards , like, Mickey Mantel, Willie Stargel and Maury Wills showing. I'd end with Jay Hook! In a good month, I'd amass about, maybe twenty cards. So..when someone walks around the schoolyard with a shoe box full of cards, it makes an impression.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 21:13:25 (MDT
Was the picture on the home page taken of the small court on the corner of Springfield and 73rd.? That was my court.
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 19:04:44 (MDT
Rona, since my folks live next door to gloria and sit out with her every nite i bet u met them too...ill have to ask them if they were "haning out" that nite
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 18:14:38 (MDT
That's OK Harris . . . we all had a pair of shitkickers at one time or another . . Don . . Any money for the reunion DJ should be sent to Saul Wilner. Please contact him . . . I've come to find out from Paul Roth (a veritable one man band when it comes to actual memorabilia - thank you Paul) that we will have more than one type of surprise giveaway at the reunion, courtesy of Paul and BPG. Should be enough to satisfy the multitudes that show up . . . Speaking of mutitudes, do you think I should notify the 111th Precinct to bring the mounted police for crowd control during the giveaway handout at 1:30? You know how Bell Parkers can get when it comes to freebies - it would be like Adrian's offering free rye breads for the High Holidays (just kidding everyone).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 17:48:22 (MDT
That's OK Harris . . . we all had a pair of shitkickers at one time or another . . Don . . Any money for the reunion DJ should be sent to Saul Wilner. Please contact him . . . I've come to find out from Paul Roth (a veritable one man band when it comes to actual memorabilia - thank you Paul) that we will have more than one type of surprise giveaway at the reunion, courtesy of Paul and BPG. Should be enough to satisfy the multitudes that show up . . . Speaking of mutitudes, do you think I should notify the 111th Precinct to bring the mounted police for crowd control during the giveaway handout at 1:30? You know how Bell Parkers can get when it comes to freebies - it would be like Adrian's offering free rye breads for the High Holidays (just kidding everyone).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 17:48:13 (MDT
Ok Ed and Harris.........did you ever own "White Bucks " ?.....(they also came in a tan color). You could but them with laces or that crazy "mechanical tongue" that flipped forward to open for you foot. Do you remember they couldnt be polished so they came with a little packet of white powder to pat onto the buckskin. .....that's a real blast from the past, isn't it?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 17:36:48 (MDT
Chukka Boots!! It finally came to me. They went well with those rawhide jackets with the sheepskin collars.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 14:50:57 (MDT
Blue Bay Diner ... be there or be square!!! The overwhelming response is to keep it at the Blue Bay for Friday night. Other ideas, like taking over the 46 school yard on Friday night, ordering 'in' from Joe's, and then making out in the 'lots', sounds good, but ... let's keep it at Blue Bay. Thanks Helen, et al ... I'll book the DJ and have faith in the Universe. STEVE HAFFNER - How are YOU??!! We last saw each other at Peter's wedding. That was a trip! Too many memories to mention here - except that witch Mrs. Cronin had it in for ALL of us!!! Hope to see you sometime during reunion weekend.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 13:10:33 (MDT
All the talk of shoe stores and sneakers by Ed & others is making me reminisce about footwear! When I was quite young.. about 5-10 years old my grandmother would send me $5 every year in a Birthday card.. and every year I spent it on a new pair of Keds. PF flyers were also a favorite of mine. Later on Ed, I wouldn't wear anything but low cut black Cons. The price now up to about $9. Anyone remember moccassins? They came in light & dark tan & black with rawhide laces & stiching all around the edges and were a summer favorite.... with no socks. I guess they were the true predecesors of Topsiders. Penny loafers held a place of reverence.. I preferred brown and would often stick dimes in the slots to look extra cool. Bucks & hushpuppies were the shoes from hell along with galoshes as far as I was concerned. I experimented a bit with the pointy shoes and tight pants in JHS 74. A little later came the high top laced suede shoes we had a name for, I can't mention here, but I can't remember their actual name. The early college years saw the advent of workboots, which lasted forever. .......This was all, way before expensive Nike & Reebok and all the others to follow that we pay a fortune for but aren't any better or cooler.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 12:35:37 (MDT
Also just wanted to say that I remember being at school, 74, and our homeroom teacher, Mrs. Katz told us about JFK being shot. Our homeroom was in the cafeteria at the time and we were dismissed. I remember going over to 73rd Avenue just walking around not quite believeing what happened. My Mother drove by on her way home from work and was crying and it was frightening. I was in 7th grade.
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 06:48:55 (MDT
Haven't been on in a while. This past weekend my brother David and I took a sentimental trip back to BPG. Went to our old house, 68-41 218th and rang the bell but no one was home. Walked around and just talked about who lived where. We decided to walk over and see if Gloria Potaznik was at home, hadn't seen her since my Dad passed away and guess what?? It was a typical BPG night with everyone sitting outside, and there she was!!! It did my heart good!!!! She looks wonderful and she actually remembered us! Brought back wonderful warm feelings and memories. We walked over to see another friend, Dottie Hirsch. We moved from BKLYN to Bpg together!! Then we paid a visit to Florence and Lou Becker and reminisced some more. To top it off we went to Joe's pizza and walked around Springfield Blvd and brought back pizza to my husband and mother-in-law. My brother got to play with Ed Lapal and Alan Sperling and spouses, but I didn't. I am a little jealous of that!!! Looking forward to the reunion. Anybody else out there who was in the class of '62 @ 46, '65 @ 74 or '68 @ Lewis??????????
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 06:44:08 (MDT
I believe the shoe store in lake success was Michael's shoes...i remember my folks dragging us there for shoes...i also remember them saying they were more expensive then some other stores but they were the best quality and our feet were very important
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 05:01:57 (MDT
Is Ronald Wasser coming to the reunion?
Richard Wexler <RadioKingNY@aol.com>
USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 04:59:25 (MDT
Thanks for the welcome Lew. For the record, I was the guy who LEFT 46 with shoe boxes full of cards. Like shooting fish in a bowl with you guys. Anyone else have Mrs. Cronin? That woman was mean as a snake ... my neck still hurts. And let's not forget my buddy Stu Levitz ... her fingernails had an equal penchant for the flesh behind his ears.
Steve Haffner <Lastwaltz1@aol.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 03:58:49 (MDT
Welcome aboard Steve Haffner. I'll never forget our 4th grade teacher Mrs. Cronin digging her fingernails into your neck on a regular basis. Ouch! Webmaster Larry, maybe we can get Haffy to answer the question. Were you the guy who showed up at 46 to flip, with shoe boxes filled with cards?
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 00:18:10 (MDT
Saul, I think that the amounts of what folks kick in should be left private, but I think that Don is in the right ballpark. That way folks don't need to feel pressured to keep up, or to give what they don't feel able to. Better maybe to just notify Saul by e-mail. (And Don thats very generous, given that you might not even come) Also Saul, as I said to you in private e-mail I think that it would be better to try and find a restaurant space that can handle more than a limit of 50 and takes reservations. I realize this is getting down to the wire now, but I think that a lot of folks will be dissapointed if they can't get in that Fri.night. I think it should be your call, given that you are doing the leg work, but whaddaya think?
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, June 26, 2000 at 00:11:34 (MDT
Ed; I will pledge $20.00 towards cost of DJ whether I get there or not. Might seem small but if everyone can do it, it will add up. Repeat Address for sending check.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 23:00:44 (MDT
To Ed Lapal: If you have any doubts about who killed John Kennedy, read the book ¡°Case Closed¡± by Gerald Posner. After reading it, you will be convinced that it was Lee Harvey Oswald (and no, he was not a Bell Parker). See you soon in NY
Michael Bricker <brickerma@state.gov>
Seoul, Korea - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 22:27:07 (MDT
Hello Mr and Mrs America. I am sitting here in the lush and stately Lapal Manor high in the hills of Manhasset. Contrary to what some people have been led to believe, Ed Lapal is a great guy...sincerely a dedicated historian of our dear departed past, and a helluva pool player.I have had the pleasure of meeting he and his wife this quick weekend visit...they are gracious hosts, but those of you who will meet him at the reunion will see that for yourselves. It was wonderful to get together with Alan after 35 years.......why it took that long? who knows? Now we'll have to play stoop ball with that new Spaldeen Ed gave me.But again this site has united people from a distance people. Huzzahs again for Larry's insightfulness in creating this website. I wish I could have stayed longer...the memories were bringing surprising tears to my eyes.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 19:58:17 (MDT
Just found out about this site. It's great to see names and stories from the past. I attended 74 and went to 205. I lived in Windsor Park and now have returned to live in Bayside after a number of years. I just saw a picture of our 8th grade class in 74 on this site and it brought back some great memories.
Lorie (Lerner) Horowitz <lorrob@delnet.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 18:47:35 (MDT
Ed: I remember Miles Shoes and if my memory is correct, they were near Lanes in Lake Success (or was that Buster Brown?). I recall going there often and getting the "neopolitan" ice cream (choc, vanil,straw) from a cart there.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 18:45:17 (MDT
Ed Lapal LSTMFT was from a Lucky Strike cigarette ad -"Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco".
Hal Hochvert <halvert82@hotmail.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 16:16:19 (MDT
Saul . . . I believe that's Spaldeens and yes, I'll catch up with you guys Friday night. Remember, the reunion is . . . come as you are (no jokes, please).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 11:34:04 (MDT
BLUE BAY - DJ - ReUnion UPDATE - The Blue Bay Diner does not accept reservations and, believe it or not, they won't won't do it for us either (don't we have anyone with clout in our group?). I'm also told (adding insult to injury) that it's doubtful they will be able to seat 50 people at one time that night. Seating is first come-first served. Maximum seating per table - 10. So folks, the choices are we keep the date and place and 'catch as catch can' or come up with another idea. Your choices ... personally, I will be at the Blue Bay at 6:30 PM. DJ Update - not enough folks have stepped up to say they will contribute, though a bunch have. I will book him (good idea) if I hear from several more folks commiting to spend a little cash (geez, it's easier to pull teeth). Same with the dunk bootha and food. I don't mind spending a little time on this, and the consensus is most people contacted would like to spend more time having fun. No problem and Thanks to those who have already committed. Ed - we would need the Spauldeens/Spauldings Friday night so let's make sure we meet up on Friday.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 10:39:46 (MDT
I just found an old shoebox full of memorabilia from my wee little days. Vendor buttons from HM Stevens, when I worked at Shea Stadium. Little license plates with my name on them . . . But the box was from Miles Shoes! Anyone remember Miles shoes? Weren't they the competitior to Thom McCan? And of course there was Stride Rite on the corner of Springfield and Horace Harding . . . Remember when no one would be caught dead in any sneakers except Cons? I was partial to half cut white, but the full cut black were just bitchin' . . . Just some meandering thoughts on a Sunday too hot to go out.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 10:23:24 (MDT
Well I am glad to see some of my contemporaries are alive and on the WEB, I have gotten some mail from a couple of people that saw my post. Keepum coming. Join in. Yes I am Richard and Suzanne's big brother and I did work at Colony Card Shop for a few years. It is amazing that as I write this, thinking of myself back then and realizing that I am now even older than my parents were at the age I see myself as I write, its a trip.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 08:30:59 (MDT
Jeff Grann . . . THAT IS EXACTLY IT!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, June 25, 2000 at 06:36:36 (MDT
I always wondered how my Dad survived 4 females sharing a teeny weeny bathroom with him; he deserves a medal! That little green bathroom at the top of the stairs drove us crazy. We could barely fit four friends into it to experiment with cigarettes, and the tiny casement window wouldn't let the smoke out fast enough, so we were discovered. I walked into many a wet piece of underwear or stockings at night on the "drying thing" that stuck out of the wall, too Joel. But the very best part of that miniscule bathroom was that it had a little metal button you could push in to lock the door! It was the first and only privacy I could get as a child. My two sisters and I shared a bedroom, and if my grandparents came to visit they stayed in our room too. I wonder how much I scarred my sisters with tales of the goblin in the closet, the gorilla under the bed and a witch named Mrs. Ferguson who lived in the toilet? Those stories were my way of getting them to go to sleep when I had to baby sit. Eeeeeuuuuuwwww ...what a horrid thing to do to little kids. No wonder they ran throught the living room in their underwear screaming at the top of their lungs when I brought a date home!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 21:22:35 (MDT
Just show up July 15th. Thats it?
jeff grann <jeffgran@gte.net>
USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 21:16:31 (MDT
just checking in here, dont seem to know or recognize many of the names posting here. just wondering if there might be another Bell Park Gardens. Or maybe this is the outer limits.
jeff grann <jeffgran@gte.net>
USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 21:06:53 (MDT
Actually the slots in the medicine chest were for used razor blades. Remember that was when our fathers used those double sided blades. Imagine all thos rusty old blaes sitting in the walls of 800 apartments. Nowdays the slots would have to be the size of a stick of gum to accommodate our Mach III "Shaving Systems".
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 16:30:47 (MDT
Peri, I think I remember you from elementary school. PS46 My cousin is Cindy Rosenbaum, she went there too and lived across the street from me. Zena
zena levine <zlevine@nc.rr.com>
raleigh, nc USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 13:12:09 (MDT
Zena, your name is sooooo familiar but cant place your face...as far as the bpg bathrooms go...we had 5 people getting ready with 1 bathroom...al & i each have our own bathroom now and i couldnt live any other way!!!when we go away we usually have 2 bathrooms and when we dont its a nightmare!!!dont know how we did it but we managed...as far as sleeping arrangements...being i was the only girl (had 2 brothers)i got to sleep on the couch for most of my growing up years....til we moved up in the world of course and moved into a 6..then I had my own bedroom and the boys had to share...ha! i showed them!!!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 12:36:13 (MDT
Those clothes drying arms were a nightmare of mine. Going into the bathroom in the middle of the night and having god- knows-what brushing your face and head. I hated that thing. One of the main reasons I worked so hard to get the house I now have is that unbelievable small BPG bathroom. I swore that when I “made-it” each of my kids would have their own bathroom. And they do. While most memories I have of BPG are good, the smallness of that apartment, sharing a room with my brother and sister until age 13 or 14 and then with my brother until I got drafted drove me to need privacy, something I never had in BPG apartments. Your parents always knew where you were.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 12:16:35 (MDT
Zena . . I think that hole was put in the medicine cabinets so that all BPG kids could talk to their next door neighbors in the bathroom! . . . Do you remember the only electrical outlet in the bathroom was under the light fixture, directly over the medicine cabinet. One plug for the entire bathroom . . But the best (as has been documented before on these pages) were the clothes drying arms that folded so neatly into the wall case.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 06:46:21 (MDT
Hi Yes Lori,Louis is my brother. I remember you. Irecently returned to Bell Park because my dad Jack Rappaport passed away.Iwas amazed to see how little the neighborhood has changed. I do have to say that the hubcaps to my van were stolen there. Heres some Bell Park trivia- Does anyone out there remember the whole in the medicine cabinets in the bathrooms? What was their purpose? I used to have conversations with my neighbor Scott Kaufman (who I understand passed away years ago) thru it. HEY HECK! We have to get together again. Eileen Rose and Jeannie Grollman, I lost your email address please send them to me. Regards to all- zena
Zena Levine (Rappaport) <zlevine@nc.rr.com>
raleigh, USA - Saturday, June 24, 2000 at 04:35:45 (MDT
Does anyone remember Harris Schanhaugt or has been in touch with him?We became friends after I used to spy into his room across the driveway off 218th St?
Helene Cohen Patrick <Hedo54@prodigy.net>
Eustis, Fl USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 23:49:13 (MDT
Mitch . . When I was growing up, I would never have spoken to someone 8 years older than me out of respect and awe . . Now I feel free to harrass you . . Go figure!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 21:01:29 (MDT
FRAN and guys...here's another 57 year young visitor...amazing though...when i was a kid in bayside i would have never even spoken to someone who was 6 years younger than me, other than to probably harrass them...its amazing what a little 'maturity' will do for you.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 18:26:16 (MDT
As they used to say on Howdy Doody .... "HEY KIDS !!! GUESS WHAT TIME IT IS "........ GOOD SHABBAS !!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 13:45:48 (MDT
Bernie - hanks a lot!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 13:44:32 (MDT
Alan- ure speling looked ok tome.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 13:38:51 (MDT
Joel, I think the age group here tops out with me and Roni (Friedberg) Nassberg at 57. I too have often wondered where our contemporaries are, and wished they'd post here, but maybe you're right, and the phone keeps them in touch. I'm willing to try drums if that will work. Ed, I'm sending good Hawaiian weather over the day before the reunion, so I hope it gets there in time.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 12:36:16 (MDT
Kent State: I was a 7th grader at 74 and my math teacher Mr Hoffman didn't do anywork for 2 days, we just talked about what happened and tried to sort things out. In those years from about 67-74{Nixons resignation] there always seemed to be a domestic crisis going on-either related to the war, civil rights, feminism, the environment, watergate etc. the level of citizen participation was soo high, now a lot of that grass roots stuff has become institutionalized and does not seem to have the same impact as it once did-or maybe it's just my clouded memories from those days.
dave rosenbluth
USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 11:05:50 (MDT
Alan . . Although I'm only one year older than you, my age of innocence died the day President Kennedy was shot. I still don't understand how or why that happened . . Even after the Warren Commision report (which just added to the mystery.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 09:54:09 (MDT
Memories. Remember where you were when you found out that 4 were dead at Kent State ? Do you remember the date and your feelings ? It's a memory I don't think I'll ever forget - - for me, it marked the end of my childhood.
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 09:44:19 (MDT
Sorry for my typing / spelling on my last posting .. I had not had my second cup of coffee yet ..... the first one just opens my eyes ....
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 09:39:19 (MDT
Francine Hochvert - I have seen your name countless times on the site and it is very familiar to me. How old is your sister Susan (if you're allowed to divulge that information)? Where did she go to high school. I think I knew her but I'm not sure. If she went to Lewis did she graduate in '63? By the way, how is living in Hawaii? I've never been but hope to one day. Take care.
Jeff Ringler <jringler@hallmarkent.com>
New Rochelle, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 09:01:47 (MDT
Steven Baker ... and Bernie too .... I grew up in that backyard area off os Springfield Blvd before moving to a Duplex on 218th street, but actually remember when at weeping willow tree was planted.... I am going to be in Bwll Park this Saturday night to visit my parents and further help them get their "stuff" ready to move or throw out. Maybe I will visit the tree if I can and say hi to it ... ( then the neighbors living there now, can see me and call the cops ...) Alan
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 07:43:52 (MDT
Either the phone . . or tom-toms . . or smoke signals. LOL
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 07:31:41 (MDT
I love all the photos. I just wish there were some from my years at PS 46 or JHS 74. Seems the age tops out at 51 on this board. Yet it is still wonderful reading all the posts. Some names are vaguely familiar, friends of my brother or sister. Steven Baker and David Krizman are the two most familiar. You would think by now some of the older siblings would be posting here. Maybe those kids that are now my age are still using the phone to catch up with each other.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 04:02:28 (MDT
I remember that I was supposed to have Mrs. Lamberta for 2d grade but she died over the summer. She was initially replaced by an old battle axe named Mrs. Brown who ran the classroom military style. I think she was an old WAC and would periodically inspect our nails, and ears, thankfully she was replaced about a month into the school year by Mrs. Turetsky.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 23:16:49 (MDT
Steven Baker; We talked about Miss Lamberta in past postings. She was the best!
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 23:04:31 (MDT
Alan Ringler I've been reading your posts the last couple of days and thought I would say hello. You probably remember my brother Marty more than me. But I used to love going to your house when your older brother Jeff was there because he was older and we all looked up to him. Sounds crazy but when your young older people always were looked up to PUN intended. Say hello to Mike for me. I'm going to tell Marty to log on.
Jeff Grossman <White_diamond52@yahoo.com>
HOLTSVILLE, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 19:46:00 (MDT
Jeff Ringler - did you know my sister Susan? I know she knew the Zeckers and Merril and Eileen. We lived on 218th on the northeast corner of 68th Ave., almost directly across the street from the big flagpole. Saul, Ed, Helen, et al - is there anything I can send from Hawaii, via my Dad, that would help the reunion? No one ever answered my question about having another next year when I can actually be there. How about it? Also, if any of you know my sister Celia and would like to call her (she's offline for an undetermined time), e-mail me privately and I'll give you her number. I'm sure, with a lttle prodding, she'd drive down from Saratoga Springs for such a great party.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 19:45:35 (MDT
Alan Ringler : I remember Michael.We were in classes together and I'm sure we were in Scouting together.As a matter of fact, my back door faced yours' in that quiet area behind Springfield , off 67th.Remember that big weeping willow tree back there ? I had Miss Lamberta in second grade.She has surfaced several times here.A year or so after we had her , she died of Leukemia.She was a young , soft spoken woman and aparently well remembered by visitors to this site.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 17:02:20 (MDT
I was recently introduced to this website and I find myself spending a great deal of time browsing looking for names of my contemporaries. I told my brother Allen about the site and he seems to be having a ball reminiscing with old friends. I'm older than most who post here (graduated from Lewis in 1963) and while there are lots of names I recognize, not too many of my childhood friends seem to visit the site. Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mark Schiffman, Merrill Heit, Eileen Rubinstein, Lynn Ifshin, Jeff Willis? Does anyone know where to reach Steven or Peter Zecker (they were neighbors of mine). It amazes me to see the level of connection so many of you seem to feel to BPG, as evidenced by your contributions. It's also astonishing how the separation of a few years defined the friends you had. It's great to have an opportunity to go home again, even if for only a little while. Thanks for the opportunity.
Jeff Ringler <jringler@hallmarkent.com>
New Rochelle, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 15:24:10 (MDT
Sorry Ray . . I only deal in Spaldeens (sounds like I'm a pusher). In order ot collect your prize, you have to show up at the reunion. (As I told Harris, what's a cross-country trip among friends?) . . If you are a no-show, your free turn goes to Alan Sperling (who has no geographic excuse not to make the reunion!).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 11:27:06 (MDT
Ed would u walk a mile for a camel...into marlboro country?
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 11:02:38 (MDT
Allen-I remember your brother Mike. Say Hi from me. Better yet - tell him to sign on. Ray/Alan - Have you finished that punchball list yet?
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:38:46 (MDT
Ed: Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:27:01 (MDT
Alan, Of course I remember your brother Michael. Great guy who always had a smile on his face! In fact Alan Diener and I are trying to reconstruct our all star punchball teams, and Michael is on it. Steve Katz great pull on the Ringler broken arms. It must've run in the family because I remember Michael proudly wearing his cast. O.K. Ed, Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco...Can I get a Pensy Pinkie please?
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:25:54 (MDT
Allen ( Muggy ) Ringler .... EVERYONE that I know remembers Mike or Michael ... but I remember him a "Mikie"... And yes .. as a kid , "Mikie" ate everything .... He was very much liked and remembered by all of us. Good Pre-Shabbas .....
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:14:14 (MDT
Allen . . Not a problem. Simply go to the Sports Authority or Modell's nearest you and purchase one for $1.99. They are usually found at the checkout register as an "impulse" item . . Better yet, make it into NY for the reunion and see Saul Wilner that morning at PS 46 playground. In addition to being the Master of Fun and Frivolity, he will also be the Spaldeen Maven that morning. LOL
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:12:57 (MDT
Since my mind is stuck on old cigarette commercials today, a free turn at the dunking booth (with me in the chair) for the first caller to correctly identify what the initials LSMFT stood for? . . . Speaking of the reunion, I just found out that there will be a freebie giveaway courtesy of Paul Roth and BPG. It will remain a mystery for now! As William Shatner is so fond of saying, "This could be big, REALLY BIG".
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:07:43 (MDT
Ed Lapal: Re: "Spaldeens": If it's at all possible, please send me 1 Spaldeen. I would like to have one for the memories. I may also want to practice a little before I attempt to punch it over all three fences (left, center and right field) at 46. If my arm can handle it I may even try to punch the ball over the left and right center field fences as well. Keep in mind that any attempt to even try any of the foregoing would depend on a number of factors. 1st - I would have to travel from Lisle, IL (30 miles west of Chicago) to Bayside; 2nd - I would have to have my doctor's OK that my almost 51 year old right arm could stand up to the challenge not once but who knows how many times; I have an ample supply of brand new Spaldeens; If there is any wind it is not blowing against me; A representative from the Guinness Book of World Records is present and an ambulance as well as an ample number of qualified medical personnel are on hand and ready to spring into action, if necessary, to save my right arm. Ed, please drop me a note in the Guestbook about the Spaldeen. I'll send you a certified check in payment. Ed, thank you for your help.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 10:05:52 (MDT
To Everyone: My brother Mike wants to know: Does anyone remember a teacher by the name of Mrs. Lamberta in the 2nd grade? If so, does anyone remember what happened to her? Mike's recollection was that Mrs. Lamberta was replaced early in the school year by Mrs. Turetsky. By the way does anyone, besides Alan "Lefty" Lefton remember Mike?
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 09:36:12 (MDT
Steve Katz: What a memory! If my memory serves me well, I broke my left arm while playing punchball at 46 2 times in the 8th grade (1962-63). I can still remember the 1st time I broke it while diving for a fly ball in right field (can you believe that). I had a cast on for 6-8 weeks. I broke it the second time (again playing punchball) just after I had the cast removed. I had another cast for 6-8 weeks.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 09:31:19 (MDT
Or how about benson & hedges 101s: A silly millimeter longer.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 07:17:52 (MDT
I feel about my uvula the same as that old ad for winston cigarettes: It's not how long you make it, it's how you make it long.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 07:14:01 (MDT
To my Jewish friends out there who thought leaving school early on wednesday for religious instructions was a picnic; WISH YOU WERE THERE! Those teachers (Nuns) were tougher than any teacher I had in high school! I am surprised many of the p.s.46 e'rs don't remember me. I was one of the few Catholics leaving early wednesdays.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Thursday, June 22, 2000 at 00:24:55 (MDT
...and the ever-popular, "Is that a yarmulke in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me..."
jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 23:12:35 (MDT
HARRIS: They ALSO say, big Mezuzah, small house...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 21:03:42 (MDT
Didn't they teach us in Hebrew school it's OK to have a small uvula.. just so long as you carry a big Mezuzah?
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 20:58:31 (MDT
MITCH: Everyone knows, its not the size of the uvula, but how you use it that counts!
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 20:06:48 (MDT
Mitch . . Is :-D an extremely happy face . . or is it someone with an overly large uvuala . . or is it . . no, I don't even want to go there!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 20:03:46 (MDT
boy i havent posted in a while:Ok here goes: I can remember wanting to pretend to be Catholic on Wednesdays, all the kids got out early {2:30} for religous instructions, my mom said back then "Whats a matter Hebrew schools not enough"? Thats when i realized where those children were going!! i thought they got out early just because they were Catholic!ED: i think Name tags are great! but,i cant figure out whos name im going to use! Sandy Gromer: is your sister Marlene? if so send her my regards. Saul: i found a picture im having scanned and i will send it off to our Master. Your mom is sitting in front of the house whatching me in the playpen,while my mother is bringing kids upstairs to my sisters birthday party, the little girl she is bringing up in the picture is Linda Gazen. Zena: do you have a brother named Lewis? if so send him my regards. Freyda: Down stairs from us were the Markowitz they have a boy named Harvey that i think you might remember,yes my mom is Libby, my brother is Mike, and ill pass on your message,I have an idea how about a contest for fun the most people from a Court that shows up on the site: On Springfield it was: Krutoys,Nusbaums,Rothbarts,Reiss,Kriegs,Gazens,Wilners, and now Freyda: Any other court claim such a fame? ON 68th.ave. so far is Krutoys,Gromers,Gottesman,Moler,Sperling,Terri,Behars,Krest, i think i have to hot Courts!
Lori Krutoy{ Maiorana} <Blondiebrd@aol.com>
Parlin, NJ USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 18:56:12 (MDT
MIKE...brings back memories...i used to go to (what was called) early release to the oakland jewish center...one afternoon per week...ojc was a store front on springfield before the temple was built...it may have been where larry's record shop openned, but if not, it was right near there...i was good at hebrew so i "helped' the teacher by tutoring others...i remember having a total failure at trying to teach a red-haired kid named brian how to say ccchhhh (gutteral). he always said ch (like in choo-choo. i thought he was a moron and didn't learn till years later that it is the size (please don't yell at me ladies) that counts...of the uvuala that is. :-D
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 18:45:13 (MDT
I guess I had the best of both worlds . . . I'm Jewish . . and I got out early from school to go to a reform Hebrew school in Flushing! Didn't know how good I had it at the time!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 17:38:34 (MDT
Mike, i dont remember prayers in class either but i too remember the non jews getting out early for relig instruc...remember wishing i wasnt jewish so i could get out too!!!also so i could have a xmas tree...i have one now and im still jewish!!!i remember pledging allegiance but thats about it
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 17:08:28 (MDT
I don't remember prayers in the classes, but I definitely remember prayers at assembly. I also remember Catholic kids (the two or three in our class who weren't Jewish) being released at 2:30 on certain days for religious instruction. Alan is right, that all stopped after the Supreme Court decision in 1962.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 16:50:35 (MDT
hi looking for old friends who graduated cardoza with me in 1972. Lived on 218th st. Saw lots of names on this site that ring a bell.
zena levine (Rappaport} <zlevine@nc.rr.com>
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 16:42:15 (MDT
SAUL et al: I think that 4 hours of dancing should be plenty. Whats the difference between low and high end? Sometimes high end means all of those things they throw out at the audience like cheesy hats and chotchkies... I'm willing to put some bucks out for this, because I think it will be really fun to have live music. I don't think my finances can hold up to a tzadick, but something, sure.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 12:16:48 (MDT
Alison We used to have to prey to God ( G-d ) before assembly. The teachers would read out of the new testament.... or a booklet placed on the new testament... You could be silent but had to sit there regardless of what you believed in. ...I believed the whole thing was BS..... Then it became Unconstitutional to do it and some teachers got mad. I believe this happened in 1962............And GOD FORBID if you didn't have on a white shirt & tie....... I used to prey to GOD all on my own ... without any help from school... when my father came home from work .... Alan
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 12:03:01 (MDT
Alison . . . Wow, seemed unconstitutional to an eight year old!! At eight, I was more concerned with what flavor ice cream was the best . . Funny, I remember you as being very pretty. Don't remember anything about constitutional law.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 11:43:22 (MDT
i remember school prayers as mandatory in 2-4 Miss Mulcahey's class. that would have been circa '60-61. even then to an 8 year old it seemed unconstitutional. anyone else remember that little soft cover prayer book?
alison belkin <sagjrg@aol.com>
fort lee, nj USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 11:03:25 (MDT
CORRECTION: Spaldeens.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 10:33:49 (MDT
Saul . . . Spauldings for the morning events at PS 46 schoolyard is no problem. Come see me at 10 am (or earlier) at the park and you can have as many as you need. Provided you bring back all those not hit into the lots (oh excuuuse me, County Beautiful Homes) so they can be distributed to TOTC children at the reunion before the softball game. This thing is really starting to come together!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 10:32:14 (MDT
REUNION UPDATE - Music/DJ info ... I called several places to get an idea of things. Bottom line - 6 hrs (noon-6 PM) would cost $725 (low end) - $870. 4 hours would run approx $145 per hour. A local Bayside production company, JA & Company (the higher end - owner Jeff Artura sounded on the up & up)requires a $50 deposit, balance paid on the day of the event and REFUNDABLE if cancelled by rain or applied to another event. Other places only offered a credit in case of rain cancellation. All places required the deposit to hold the date - all have 7/15 available today but could be booked an hour from now. All have their own generator. I told them we'll have them for lunch if the music and sound is BAD! I know a few of you folks could buy one of these companies so ... as Field Marshal of Fun, and unless otherwise vetoed, I recommend we do it, and therefore we need those folks who wrote me and committed to step up to the plate. I will commit to the following ... 1) my company takes all major credit cards as SOP for our business and therefore could accept payment from folks via their credit card, or their personal/business checks or US Grade A green. Also, maybe there's a tzadick out there among you and wish to honor someone, place or time with an anonymous donation ... WHATEVER, I will wait to see if enough folks say OK and send cash-ola granola. Also, I would like to see someone step up and handle all accounting for the event - keeps things kosher ... or simply have faith and trust in our individual Codes of Honor.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 09:52:15 (MDT
Hal . . . The reunion is coming along very well. It is still planned for Saturday, July 15th (with a Sunday raindate). Alley Pond park picnic area near 76 Avenue, off Springfield Blvd. Starting at noon, it should get into full swing by 2 pm when ballfield #7 has been reserved for two hours. Two announcements have gone out to current BPG residents, so I expect equal numbers from TOTC and BPG. But the event to open to everyone and anyone . . Saul Wilner can speak to what he needs for fun, frivolity and food (the 3 F's). My end is pretty well set. The Spaldeens have been purchased. The banner (T O T C) has been made. BPG is providing tables. The only thing I still need are four volunteers to join Helen and myself at 10 am at the parkhouse. We need to preserve a picnic site (I have my eye on a lovely area near ballfields 7 & 8, partly shaded, near the asphalt walking path that goes around the ballfields - IF IT IS STILL AVAILABLE) from 10 am till noon when the attendees begin to arrive . . So Hal or anyone else, e-mail me if you can commit to be at the parkhouse at 10 am.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 07:52:19 (MDT
I would like to wish my brother and sister-in-law Steve and Debbie Bernstein a very happy 25th Wedding Anniversary, from our whole family. Any many, many more.
Rhea <mrlevy@mpinet.net>
Orange City, Fl USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 06:20:27 (MDT
Alan Ringler, Are you the guy who used to break his arm a couple of times a year?
Steve Katz <stphkaz@cs.com>
Kailua, HI USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 02:57:10 (MDT
We used to go visit my grandmother in the South Bronx..4 floors up in a railroad flat. Outside the front window ran the El. I distinctly remember looking down to the street at the old 2 tone taxi cabs,, anybody remember those?..yellow with red or green panels.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, Ca USA - Wednesday, June 21, 2000 at 02:18:20 (MDT
David K --There already is a fine trendy casual eating establishment in Dallas named THE BRONX.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 23:41:15 (MDT
Allen Ringler: Got the photos. The 6th grade photo is excellent. The JHS is sub par. Can you scan it in at a higher resolution? I've been up to my ears with a launch of the new moodys.com site in early July. They pegged me for the front end and asp programming. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the photo up before the reunion.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 19:54:54 (MDT
Any further news as to how the Reunion is shaping up? Anyone need any help with anything I can do? I'm a pretty good sign painter, or at least I used to be.
Hal Hochvert <halvert82@hotmail.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 19:31:41 (MDT
Harris . . . You're just going to have to come to the TOTC reunion to see my big, fat puss. I know you are going to the 205 reunion on the 29th. Whatsamattayou, can't you fly cross country twice in one month. After all, how many great reunions does one get in a lifetime! PS, look for my picture in your yearbook - 9SP5, thank you very much ;-).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 16:41:15 (MDT
It was 1964 I believe when the Beatles played "on our shew tonight".. I was almost 13.. My Uncle Sam was at the apartment.. I was all excited.. I created a t-shirt that said Ringo on it.. the grownups barely took notice. That Summer I went to see the Beatles at Shea Stadium as I had posted on here once before. a once in a lifetime memory. ....... Ed Lapal.. you mentioned Paul Korman in an earlier post. I was very good friends with him in the 8th grade. He taught me to play guitar. I recently recieved a great E-mail from him with pictures of his family.. haven't seen him about 35 years. You & I have already established that '66 was our grad year at 74 so we were classmates.. but I still cannot picture you. Maybe sometime you could post a pix of yourself from way back.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 15:34:48 (MDT
And Liberace was "Queen For A Day".
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 15:18:22 (MDT
Ralph Kramden always let Alice know he was the King of his Castle".
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 14:53:13 (MDT
Mitch . . . What gives? You used to get excited when you ate at Balmains restaurant. You still get excited when you go to aerobics class. What's the story? Maybe you should become a master of your own domain (like Seinfeld) ;-)
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 14:45:02 (MDT
I love reading the posts about the excitement growing up with Beatle music.The songs were so infectious and so ground-breaking musically and culturally.I perform these songs today and they are so deeply connected with my spirit , I consider them my own.I cannot tell you how envious the musicians of today are that I grew up during this period.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 12:48:44 (MDT
Mitch, it sounds like fun to me. In fact it sounds like a great idea for a new themed restaurant called "The Bronx" !
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:52:25 (MDT
Steve Pollen & All ... Does anybody remember when in Korvettes and other stores that sold "records" .. there used to be a Mono section and a Stereo section? Stereo records cost about between $1.00 - $1.25 more. I always got the MONO ones .....
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:50:32 (MDT
Alan Lefton is right about the Beatles. Feb. 9th is my birthday so I remember that date well. I received 'Meet the Beatles' as a gift. It was recorded in mono not stereo. I still have the album. Now all I need is a record player-LOL!
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:45:37 (MDT
There was a "fancy" restaurant on the grand concourse near alexanders that i believe was called balmains (or something similar...it was 50 years ago). i always loved it when my parents took my two sisters and i there...the waiters dressed life bell boys, with the doupbel breasted uniforms and those old pillbox hats...the tables were on tiers...maybe it wasn't even fancy. maybe it wasn't even good...i just remember always getting excited when we went there.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:35:04 (MDT
Alan- I always thought that Tommy's last name WAS "The Parkie"
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:20:52 (MDT
Ed, my grandmother lived in Bronx off Fordham Rd. Which took you under the El at Jerome Ave. to the Grand Concourse. The GC was lined with those modern Art Deco apt. buildings. It was the 'Park Ave.' of The Bronx.....very upscale. Then Alexander's opened and it was the beginning of the end. The evening I received my drivers license in the mail, I drove up therealong Jerome Ave. under the El at rush hour(a foolish thing to do) but made it to grandma's house unscathed.I remember that lots of pretty girls lived in the Bronx...especially Riverdale, making it worth the trip.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 11:11:55 (MDT
Muggy ( I mean Allen ) .... You forgot that I spent the first 8 years of my life in your house and also playing in the back and lots. You also didn't know , until now how good my memory is ( tell him Bernie ... ). I don't know how I remember, but I do. I even remember you getting a electric submarine one year for Chanukah. Your dad had an Impala. We all used to play wiffle ball in the back, and Michael Syms used to argue every play .. Your mom turned me on to whie clam sauce...also .."Tommy the Parkie's" last name was "Parkie" and his middle name was "The" ....same as Yogi Bear.
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 10:41:00 (MDT
The Beatles performed on the Ed Lapal.... I mean Ed Sullivan show on Sunday February 9th 1964. I heard that George Harrison was actually ill and played with 102 fever. They played "All My Lovin", "Till There Was You", and "She Loves You". ... returned at the end of the show with "I Saw Her Standing There" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand" ... gee .. it wasn't as though I was inspired or impressed or anything like that. In a way it molded my life ( but there are not enough web pages here to fill in the blanks... so I'll leave it at that.. ). They appeared for the next 2 weeks in a row. They also had a close up of John Lennon's face and wrote below .."sorry girls ... he's married " ... I am sure he loved that .... The next day I was in Mrs. Levine's 5th grade class, sitting in front of Gil Hollander ( who knew all their names ) ,,,, as we listened to our "beloved teacher" say .... People !!!! Shut Up !!!! Enough about these 4 long haired idiots........ She rambled about how it wasn't music but noise ... etc .... She also said that if anyone was caught talking about them in class, they would have to stay after school .............. nice lady !!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 10:29:33 (MDT
"Tommy" the Parkie: Does anyone know what his last name was? When he began and ended his stay at PS46?
Allen Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 10:12:47 (MDT
Alan "Lefty" Lefton: How in the world did you remember the word "Muggie"?
Allen Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 10:02:35 (MDT
Ed Lapal: I did not play on the same team in the 5th or 6th grades with Jerry Gold. Jerry was a year or two older than me.
Allen Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 09:56:01 (MDT
Hey Alan . . . I was with Robbie Solomon when the Beatles were introduced to America by Ed 'Geeve Me A Kiss' Sullivan. Robbie lived across 218th Street from you, next to Joe "the ice cream man".
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 09:42:15 (MDT
OOPS - sorry for the confusion folks. The Friday night Blue Bay gathering is the night before the reunion - July 14 (Bastille Day in France and Quebec). As mentioned, arrive between 6:30-7 PM so there's time to ... exchange lies (as was recently mentioned). Some folks thought the Blue Bay gathering was last Friday night. Hey, no problem, people can start meeting there EVERY Friday night just for the rush (wow, flashback piece of trivia news - Just For The Rush Natural Foods was the health food store I opened in Sept '76 on Kissena Blvd near downtown Flushing. Had it for exactly 1 year to the day until I realized that one shouldn't have a retail store while also building a wholesale granola manufacturing business. Sold it to some couple who sold it and was re-sold several times but I believe to this day that store still remains a health food store). Anyway, let's start a legacy - Every Friday night, Blue Bay, 6:30, who knows ...
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 09:15:16 (MDT
Does anyone remember when The Beatles were introduced on The Ed Sullivan show ? Do you remember who you were watching with and what you thought ? Do you remember the date of the show ?
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 08:56:49 (MDT
I'm so happy to see a posting by my old buddy Richard Wexler. We really had so many great times together in the old days. He's the first one that I've seen that has brought up the old LI Press office on 220th St. We had terrific times there with Phil Rutha and many kids from BPG.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 07:24:12 (MDT
Hey Sandy where are your cousins rich & rob gromer???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 05:47:11 (MDT
Ahhh, Da Bronx . . . The only borough with the word The in its name. Named after the Bronk family, original settlers who had a farm there . . My parents come from The Bronx and I have fond memories of visiting my grandmother on Kingsbridge Road, opposite Poe Park. (Yes, the cottage there was the home of Edgar Alan Poe). We used to walk the Grand Concourse (hooha) where the rich people lived (sort of like living in a 'private home' in Bayside) . . . Elliot, your memory of the 'Brothers Four' jogged something for me. Anyone remember when Wipeout was all the craze? Paul Korman and I got kicked out of 8th grade English class more than once for drumming it on our desks. As I recall the metal shelf below the wooden top of the desk made an excellent acoustical chamber!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 05:24:12 (MDT
Oh, and check out the Open Forum too. Just jump in anytime you have something to say or lurk like so many others. :•P
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 01:49:06 (MDT
Hi, Susan - Glad to see you here! I hope you'll take the time to go back over the gazillions of memories; you'll probably find many of the people you grew up with. Some may still be posting and some may have stopped or taken a break. Tell us who you're looking for and I'll bet someone knows where they are and what they're doing.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 20, 2000 at 01:45:42 (MDT
Sandy...I was saddened to read about the death of Chris Liu. Chris, Jane Packman (218 st.) and myself camped across the US. We had our backpacks, tents, an open-ended Trailways bus ticket and our thumbs. It was our rite of passage into adulthood. Memories I will always cherish.
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 19:48:47 (MDT
Mitch....I myself was born in the Bronx Hospital and moved to Bayside at the age of 1. My father however, grew up in the Bronx and was a helluva stickball player. I remember how he used to hit a Spaulding from the parking lot in back of our WP apartments, "Fungo" style up on the roof of our 6 story building many a time, from about a block away..
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, Ca USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 19:29:59 (MDT
Hey! I just found out about this site from my uncle Marty Gromer. I got back last night from ten glorious days in N.Y>Harold , 'I was in N.Y. when you were at the Blue Bay . My Queens day was June 13th. I was born in l952. I have kept in contact with Elaine Puchalsky and Neal Lerner. Do you remember Chris Liu? She died of ovarian cancer a few years ago. Does anyone remember Naomi Weisberg? I'vve lost contact. Please e-mail me if anyone has word. Tomorrow is my 29th wedding anniversary.
Sandy (Gromer) Eisenberg <sandyeisenberg@juno.com>
Leawood , KS USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 19:25:33 (MDT
STEVE and DAVE...funny, i never had trouble with stickball...maybe that's because i was born in the bronx...where stickball was an artform. we used to measure the strength of a batter by: he was a 2 sewer, 3 sewer, or 4 sewer man. we would play stickball "fungo" style, or fast pitching, or pitching in on a bounce. the rules were always established before the first batter was up. when the cops came we always hid the bats under cars...i don't know why...we always thought the cops would take them. i was only 7 or 8 when i moved to bayside, but in many ways i felt that the bronx was my home...when ever i was asked where i came from i always replied 'da bvonx.'
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 17:47:26 (MDT
Rich Wexler:Welcome to TOTC...We were in 5th grade together in Mrs. Savino's class...perhaps the kindest and greatest teacher I ever had. Checkout our class photo' Do you remember the time when Laura Steinberg was absent and Savino gave an impassioned speech about how great it would be if more people befriended her. The next day was class elections and Laura became class president in a unanimous vote. In 6th grade she played the accordian while the "Brothers Four"(myself, Steve Katz, Lenny Gluck and Michael Freese)made complete fools of ourselves singing 'Runaway" at the talent show. If I recall Laura's music was as bad as our voices! What's RadioKing? My wife is in the radio biz here in Detroit.
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 15:26:30 (MDT
Steven Baker: your comment about stickball is well grounded. Despite being a baseball player of some skill, having played hardball till I was 35, I never could hit that little ball with that thin stick. BTW did anyone notice that Paul Oneill has tape on his bat that looks very similar to the way stickball bats were taped!
dave rosenbluth
USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 10:58:47 (MDT
Hey Ed welcome back...its been real quiet without u!!!maybe now we can get a page 14...i think name tags are a great idea...i was kind of wondering how id recognize anyone...i told my mom she HAS to come since she's better a long term memory then i am...i told her she is my official spotter!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 05:20:08 (MDT
New to the guestbook.Would like to hear from anyone who grew up in BPG and went to PS 46 in the 50's, JHS 74,Lewis, etc.
Susan Hochvert Stelzer <dmadsyner@aol.com>
Woodland Hills, CA USA - Monday, June 19, 2000 at 01:14:42 (MDT
Somebody explain to me how you hit one of those little pink balls with a broom stick? I think I owe all of my musical ability to the people who were lined up along that fence at 46.I guess my nervous system wasn't wired for it.Maybe it was software...
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 23:11:48 (MDT
I am really enjoying hearing from all those I remember. What a great idea to have this website. My memories go back to having my parents sitting outside with the neighbors at night, and monitoring me upstairs with a bunny intercom.Who remembers going sleigh-riding on Oakland Golf Course before QCC was built on the site? I said in my first posting that I was older than some of you! I graduated from MVB in 1963. Does anyone keep in touch with Ira or Barry Bassen, Delia Harding, Gail or David Kass, Herbie Geller, Michael Speciner, Robert Brown, Alan, Gail,or Karen Baboff, Phyllis or Eileen Myerson, Barbara Gazen, Marilyn Goldman, Judie reiss, or Bert Blankstein? My best friend in first grade was Marleen Marvet. I think of her many times and am sorry that I can no longer touch base with her again. Through this website I have been in touch with Sue Hochvert and Leslye Sokoloff. I hope to reach Eileen Zitron. I was very good friends w/ Joy Sotsky and Lydia Gorenstein. I saw Joy recently, and will try to get in touch with her and tell her about this website.
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 21:00:57 (MDT
Okay, I'm back . . . What do people think about name tags for the reunion. Personally, I'll be wearing one. (Only I might have someone else's name on it, depending on how things go between now and then). If the response is favorable, I'll get some (along with a big Magic Marker) . . . Allen Ringler, you are a one man band when it comes to the old neighborhood. Tremendous feats of memory! Did you play on the same 5th and 6th grade punchball teams with Jerry Gold? If so, you guys were the Mantle and Maris of my formative years . . . Larry Liebman, that was the same Punky Rothman who told me about an Indian princess being buried in the lots under the big rock! He must have told that bubamyseh to everyone!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 16:09:36 (MDT
Hi Freyda, Yes that's me. Can you help me remember, I have a memory of the Courts. Of, Cookie, Melvin, Barry K, Sylvia I, Kenny R, Art D, Arlene (Kenny R's girlfriend) were you younger than us? Did you go to Van Buren? If so will you be at the reunion this summer?
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 14:12:11 (MDT
Freyda: Yes, our mother's name was Florence and we lived in the big court on Springfield Blvd.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 10:07:33 (MDT
The Day Kennedy was shot is a day that I'll always remember. I was in Mrs. Wagenstien's class and if I remember correctly wer were taken to the lunch room where they had that HUGE black/white TV with the news that Kennedy had been shot. I remember walking home that day and seeing my mother standing at the window waiting for me and crying like crazy. Some things you just don't forget.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 10:04:09 (MDT
Was the Blue Bay dinner this poast Friday, 6/16? If not, when?
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Sunday, June 18, 2000 at 08:38:56 (MDT
I just read through several pages of this guestbook. WOW. Great site. Great Memories. I remember Phil Rutha padding the Long Island Press count by adding a paper or two to each carrier. But Phil was quite the motivator. I think he had the original motivation poster on the wall L.S.M.F.T. = Lousy Service Means Fewer Tips. I enjoyed reading the postings from Chris Calbi. We had a more than few fun times. I remember your brother Greg was #1 fan of the Mama's and Papa's. I still have the 45's I bought at Larry's. Remember how he played each one before you were allowed to take it home? I played them on my XAM stereo that I bought for $79.00 at Korvette's with my Long Island press earnings. More to come.
Rich Wexler <RadioKingNY@aol.com>
Manalapan, NJ USA - Saturday, June 17, 2000 at 16:03:39 (MDT
Nice to speak with you, Peri and Mike!
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Saturday, June 17, 2000 at 08:31:11 (MDT
Freyda...yes we did live there...til we moved to a 6...my father is Nus (not ness)
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Saturday, June 17, 2000 at 03:40:35 (MDT
Freyda--Yes I do have an older sister named Karin, she graduated from Lewis in 1964. With regard to the JFK question, Peri, I suspect you were in my 4th grade class with Mrs. Marits. We were on a class trip to the Museum of the City of New York. Because we were on the trip we were isolated from the news until we returned. My Mom was on the trip and I remember I was excused at 2:45 and as we walked home we noticed the school flag at half staff and the flag in what is now Kennedy Circle, but we had no idea why until we walked through where the Gettelmens and Hechts lived and saw women sitting outside crying uncontrollably. I'll never forget that moment or that weekend because JFK was buried on Monday, November 25th, my 9th birthday.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 21:16:46 (MDT
To Lori Coleman, rich sigberman, and Leslie Roth: My computer crashed a couple of weeks ago and I lost your e-mail addresses. Haven't heard from you in awhile. Please drop me a line.
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 20:56:48 (MDT
To Lori Coleman, rich sigberman, and Leslie Rother: My computer crashed a couple of weeks ago and I lost your e-mail addresses. Haven't heard from you in awhile. Please drop me a line.
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 20:56:22 (MDT
To Steve Willett: I don't know if my mind is playing tricks with me, but I have a very different recollection of the day was Kennedy was shot. I don't remember finding out until we were being dismiised at the normal time. I remember Paul Dranoff telling me and we were incredulous, and kids were even laughing about, like it was a "sick" joke. But then I remember passing teachers with tears in thier eyes and I figured it was true. But I do not remember leaving early. Of course a few days later I remember the big memorial service at OJC.
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 20:44:43 (MDT
I just found out about this site. I do not know too many of you, and am probably a little older than some of you (not too much!), but, here goes! Fran Hochvert- i sent you a private email because I would love to get in touch with Sue. Peri Nussbaum- Did you live at 67-44 Springfield (upstairs)? If so, you lived in the apt. that used to be ours, and your Dad's name is Ness. JI just met your mom recently in Florida. Josh and Saul Wilner....Is Florence your mother's name? We were almost next door neighbors. Marjorie Lavigne..We were in first grade together. I am so sorry to hear about your dad's passing. We just found out in January when we visited my parents in Florida (Max and Claire Konigsberg). Mike Dulberg...Did not know you, but, did you have a sister Karen? I think we were in Girl Scouts together. Joel Fried...We used to hang out together in front of my court...With Mark Hyman, Ellen (later to be his wife), Arleen...Are your parents Sol and Missy? If so, they are friendly with my parents....Margory and Andrea Rothbart...Are your parents Charlotte and Terny? We lived in the same court on Springfield. Lori Krutoy....We were almost next door neighbors. You lived above (I think) the Wilners. Your Mom's name is Libby. Please ask your brother Michael if he remembers me. He used to be good friends with LeRoy Ald....Brian Sokoloff....Is your sister Leslie? If so, your cousins are Nancy and Judy (Reiss). Does Leslie remember me?
Freyda (Konigsberg) Kolinsky <XWORD15@aol.com>
Wantagh, NY USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 20:42:50 (MDT
if it was in '63 , then i was in 1st grade !!!!
audrey (rose) sauro <sweetpea5101@aol.com>
boynton beach, FL USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 17:15:12 (MDT
i remember i was in kindergarten in p.s. 205 (mrs. rauder) and we were in the tv room watching something when it came on that he was shot , and sent everyone home. the teachers started crying, but at 5 i couldnt understand what was really going on. (im a little younger than u guys, yuk yuk).
audrey (rose) sauro <sweetpea5101@aol.com>
boynton beach, FL USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 17:11:55 (MDT
OPPS ... Almost forgot ...... Good Shabbas !!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 13:55:00 (MDT
11/22/63-first grade at 205 Mrs Brahms class-they pulled us into class and it was anounced over the speakers that he had been shot-teachers crying in the hallway, lots of confusion. When I got home my mother was sitting at the dining room table still in her nursing whites crying while watching the TV reports-the world changed from that point forward
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 13:37:40 (MDT
Bernie .. I know ... they came to my house looking for you guys and wanted the album back ....... I sent them to Sotsky's house !!!!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 13:04:37 (MDT
Alan - Don't thank us - I think we stole that album from Korvettes. Happy Birthday.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 12:52:37 (MDT
Aloha, all. Just checking in when I saw the JFK question. I was on the Q75, just pullig ot from in front of Century Drugs on 73rd off Bell. One of the drugstore people (maybe the pharmacist) ran out and stopped the bus just as it was taking off. The driver opened the door and we all heard the drugstore guy shout "Kennedy's been shot!" The bus driver turned off the engine, leaned over the wheel, crossed himself and prayed while he cried. We 5 or 6 passengers looked at each other, and everyone just burst out crying at the same time. When we started up again, all of us sat huddled in the front, holding hands and praying. At each stop we would ask the people getting on for news. It wasn't until we pulled up to the IND station at 179th street that we heard he was dead. There were many dazed people (including me) wandering around crying and hugging strangers that day. I've always felt that the day the Dodgers left Brooklyn was the beginning of the end of innocence, but maybe it was the day Kennedy was shot.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 12:51:15 (MDT
Bernie ... back in 1969 .... today ... you, Rob , Micky and Gil Hollender all chipped in and gave me a birthday present for my 16th birthday... . The first Led Zeppelin album!!! I remember we all listened to "How Many More Times" ALLLLLLOT ..... Hopefully we can all get together again someday, and listen to it a few more times .... In case I didn't say it back then .. THANKS GUYS !!!!!! .....ALAN
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 12:44:47 (MDT
Bernie ... back in 1969 .... today ... you, Rob , Micky and Gil Hollender all chipped in and gave me a bithhday present for my 16th birthday... . The first Led Zeppelin album!!! I remember we all listened to "How Many More Times" ALLLLLLOT ..... Hopefully we can all get together again someday, and listen to it a few more times .... In case I didn't say it back then .. THANKS GUYS .... ALAN
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 12:43:23 (MDT
Alan- I was down the hall from you in Molly Mandel's classroom. She and Mrs. Wax were in tears when they broke the news to our class.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 12:26:24 (MDT
The day kennedy got shot i was on some bus trip with ps 46...dont remember where we were coming from though
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 11:59:26 (MDT
On a recent anniversary of Kennedy's death I was talking with some people at work and I asked the same question..Where were you when Kennedy got shot. Many of them had not been born. I started telling them of peoples reactions...crying in the streets etc and they really didn't believe me. Guess you had to be there. I was ih JHS 74. They sent us back to our homeroom before they told us and then sent us home in the middle of the day. It was pretty scary. At that age I was concerned that our safety was at hand. What a sad day for all.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 11:50:14 (MDT
Where were you when you heard that John F. Kennedy had been shot ? This is a question which brings back memories for me (and I'm sure many of us). For the record, I was in P.S. 46, in the 5th grade in Mrs. Mulvaney's class. We were listening to a radio program on Greek methology which was interrupted by the horrible news flash (who else was in that classroom ?). The class broke into bedlam and tears. Where were you ?
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 10:35:48 (MDT
Allen Ringler ..... Thanks Muggie !!!!!!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 10:25:04 (MDT
Saul and everyone else for dinner at Blue Bay, Friday night... Good idea to reserve the room and hope 36 is not an underestimate. How about everyone just show up between 6:30 and 7:00 and go from there. This way we have to time to trade lies with each other ("You haven't changed a bit") Saul...also make sure they have enough Roast Pork sandwiches for us kosher folks. Harold
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 10:11:43 (MDT
Alan Lefton: Mike is fine and lives in Coral Springs, FL. He has been there since the early 80's. I believe his Volkswagon was beige in color.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 08:58:17 (MDT
Sauk, what time at the Blue Bay Friday night ?? Haven't seen or heard from Gil in years. I'll let my brother know. Thanks
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 08:21:32 (MDT
Peri - Vote? Who wants to volunteer! If it's a hot day the dunk tank will be a blessing! First we need to make it happen ... and it CAN happen if enough folks step up and simply commit to covering it. Your word is enough. I've been asking about FOOD & MUSIC because the topic has been mentioned (asked) to me. Again - it's YOUR/OUR reunion. Boom boxes were mentioned as an option - however to have them in sync we would have to use the 'radio' - Anyway, thanks to those who have responded with their thoughts. Of course it comes down to $$$. Details Details Details are No Problem. The Friday night (pre-reunion) gathering at the Blue Bay is attracting more and more and more and more folks. Probably should call ahead and reserve the whole back room ... OK, I will. Say, seating for ... 36 (double chai) is expected? Somebody tell Gilly Hollander to sign on.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 07:27:11 (MDT
Steve...good luck on the black...i hear its playing real slow though...be prepared for a 5 1/2 - 6 hour round!!!!we played Mountauk Downs a couple weeks ago for 3 days straight...it was great!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, June 16, 2000 at 05:11:00 (MDT
Saul Wilner was that incredible or what? You mention Alan Diener's name for the 1st time since the site began, and than magically Alan posts for the 1st time 28 minutes later. Who's next Saulie?
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 23:30:30 (MDT
Alan R - I remeber those 46 vs 205 puncball games. I think you guys at 46 always seemed to win. It seemed like the world series as yhe kids from both schools would be hanging on the chain link fences watching and rooting. I think Arnie Margolin was our superstar at 205. I also remember Cahill. I think his teeth clicked to the beat. I also had Fitzgerald and I know she begged me several times.... to shut up and sit down.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 22:38:45 (MDT
David- I had Nalven for history. I remember because I had the oddest set of marks ever posted for the four quarters. I got 65 followed by 90, 80 and 75 from her. And I wasn't on drugs or cutting either. Strange wasn't it. Peri- I enjoyed my golf in Hilton Head and will be playing Bethpage Black on July 1st. Wish me luck.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 20:04:53 (MDT
2 Months on the same page!!!!when do we move to page 14???when ed returns??????
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 17:37:55 (MDT
Happy Birthday Deb
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 15:03:43 (MDT
Does anyone remember having Mrs. Nalven in Social Studies at jhs74 ? I remember her as one of the very few teachers who could teach a subject so that it fully made sense. It would be nice to be able to thank these teachers after so many years.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 15:01:57 (MDT
Alan-Those PS 46 All Star Punchball Games were among the highlights of our grade school years. There was, of course, Driveway Punchball..which was an entirely different game.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 14:59:02 (MDT
MORE SMELLS ........ The smell of the PS 46 gym in September, after they put down a new coating of varnish during the summer ..... scary smell at that !!! Good Pre-Shabbas !!!!!!!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 14:14:33 (MDT
Yes. But Weis was the more frequently visible of the two, which made McNally even more scary when he did show his face.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 13:52:55 (MDT
.......Wasn't Mr. Weis the Vice-Principal of 46 ?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 13:45:10 (MDT
It has come to my attention that it may have been Mr. Weis, not Mr. McNally who may have been the cookie cop, mentioned a few entries ago. Weis was not the physical threat that McNally appeared to be. Weis was bespactled, but meeker looking and slighter than McNally. We were wondering if perhaps this was a case of mistaken identity??
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 13:09:25 (MDT
Allen Ringler ...... Michelle Preager does not have a brother but maybe it was her cousin you met at the stamp show. You can contact her at Michelle_Prager@seagram.com ..... Alan Lefton ... ( yes .. it's me .. the other Alan while we were growing up ... off of Springfield Blvd & The Lots !!! )
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 13:03:25 (MDT
Allen- I am playing in a poker game with some guys you might recall from 205 such as Harvey Spolansky, BeBop and Howie Benjamin. If any of those names ring a bell I could get you in touch with them if you are interested.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 12:20:17 (MDT
Saul, who is going in the dunktank...do we get to vote on that???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 11:56:57 (MDT
Well lets see, where do i start...Awesome site guys! i grew up on 218th st and 73rd Ave in a court. Then around the age of 10 or so we moved a long distance away to springfield blvd and 69th st, to a 3 bedroom! I grew up with a bunch of guys and girls like:steven koren, gary mann, barry draluck, jay weingarten, glen belostock, dawn susman, susan goldburg, and oh yeh neil platt. does any of these names ring a bell? I am 34 to give you some time frame of reference.
Mitch Kaminer <mkaminer@mindspring.com>
Atlanta, GA USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 11:55:23 (MDT
It has been wonderful reading all of the postings and recalling fondly many of you and the memories. I remember Mrs. Fitzgerald, the Spanish teacher at JHS 74, getting down on her hands and knees to beg a poor student to give her the correct answer to her question. How embarrassing for the person who was being picked on and didn't have a clue as to the answer. Here's a challenge for all the great memories amongst us. The P.S. 46 All Star punchball game between the 5th and 6th grade in 1964 and 1965 - - who were the starting players and what position did each play ? Let's see if we can come up with all 4 complete teams (the challenge). I bet we come up with it before the reunion. By the way, does anyone know how to get in touch with Robert Bernstein, I owe him a special thank you.
Alan Diener <adiener@witsoundview.com>
Merrick, NY USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 11:46:07 (MDT
Alan Lefton - that was a great episode. It was a serpent of sorts and I always thought that the scene from Beetle Juice was a take-off of it. Alan Ringler - How's Mike and Where's Mike? Last time I saw him he had just bought a Volkswagen Beetle (blue or red I think). Punchball trivia ... most of the names I read I believe are from the '50-'52 crowd. Lots of legacy there. Let's see - Ray Lewkow, I told you I remember your 'stance' as realy unique, then there was Tommie DeVita, Alan Diener ... I'll remember the rest later. Summer softball at Free Camp was great ... with Pete as our coach. My claim to fame was in a home game against some other school ... four times at bat - four shots over the right field fence. I know I know ... not the most difficult feat for the right field fence ... but still a great memory. It almost ranks with my triple play in MQBC AAA baseball at Cunningham Park. No fish story here - I was one of the only left handed second basemen - No outs, men on first and second. Low hard line drive at my feet - both runners start to advance. Dove and caught it (1 out), threw to first (2 outs) then took the throw back to second (3 outs). Ahhhh, the memories of youth. OK - once again ... Food & Music ... what's the vote. Spend a couple of shekels or do the work yourself. Let me know. Also ... the dunk tank idea is still alive - with proceeds going to an agreed charity. Time to take a few hits ... and a few good hearted laughs. what's the vote?
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 11:18:42 (MDT
Does anyone remember Mr. Cahill the music teacher at 74? It was Mr. Cahill who I used to experiment on with one of the greatest inventions of the 2nd half of the 20th century: the Bic Pen Spitball launcher. When Bic introduced the pen with the long clear plastic tube little did they know the many and varied uses it would have. With a little piece of writing paper, a little spit and an active imagination the Bic spitball launcher was invented, tested and proven to be one of the most effective school supplies to have of the past 50 years. I believe I was the person who invented this; however, I do recognize the need for good controversy. I would welcome any and all reasonable possibilities for any one else who might have been responsible directly and/or indirectly for this invention. Those of you who had the pleasure to use this invention knew the keen sense of satisfaction when the spitball found its mark. The combination of laughter (kept in) and trying to look innocent were the by-products of a well placed spitball.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 10:45:08 (MDT
Steve Polen: Yes, I did occasionally hang out at 205. I thought of Arnie the other day. My recollection is that there was a rivalry going on in basketball between 46 and 205. Arnie and his teammates would come to 46 to play on the full court there. I don't remember if those of us from 46 went to 205. I do remember in JHS going to 205 to pitch pennies and other assorted change. In fact, I used to carry around a coin belt (like the vendors at a baseball game) so I would always have an adequate supply of change. Those were the days.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 10:20:44 (MDT
The smell of chalk dust by the eraser machine in the basement of PS 46. The smell of a fried egg on a roll at Yogi's.. The hissing sound of a radiator in our dining room(where I used to stash unwanted food from the dinner table through the trap door on thew bottom) The unforgettable wailing of Millie Adler screaming BAAAAAAAAAAARRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE out her back window when it was time for dinner. The remakable "clucking" sound of Al Wilensky as he called Pete for dinner; legend says it could be heard for half a mile! Allen Ringler..I believe you had a hand(get it?) in the 6th grade defeating the 5th in 1960 in the big punchball game. The late Gary Oriel was truly one of the beat all- around athletes from 46. Dave K..Did you ever play "Land" with a pocket knife? By the way the question everyone is asking....WHERE'S ED? From one lefty to another an early Good Shabbos!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Thursday, June 15, 2000 at 08:53:51 (MDT
Ed is holding a glass of Retsina wine and enjoying the view from his summer home in the hills above Athens.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 21:11:26 (MDT
So where's Ed?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 20:41:05 (MDT
Loved the Happy Robin. Used to go there all the time after playing ball. Great burgers. Allen Ringler- Did you ever hang out at 205. I seem to recall a guy by that name there who hung with Arnie Margolin and others. I was known there as Pov of Pova, if that nickname rings a bell.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 19:11:12 (MDT
Happy Robin restaurant, now that's a restaurant I haven't even thought about in at least twenty years. I remember many a Sunday night family dinner there, followed of course by dessert at Carvel..
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 18:03:27 (MDT
Lloyd, your horse Pay Off N has just come in across the finish line at Yonkers Raceway 20 years later. How much did you lose?
Fred Alperin <Fredaspirin@earthlink.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 17:38:54 (MDT
Steve.... those old green doors did have those little "hook and eye locks". That was security then. As I remember, it was officially summer in BPG when the maintenance crews broke out those green screen doors from winter hibernation and reinstalled them each summer.....is my memory right on that?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 14:08:56 (MDT
Even though he would say that Elliot Cohen was the best punchball player, Stu Friedburg, was the best. I saw them both and Stu was definitely yhe best. Steve Hoffman was also vey good. All three could punch the ball over the right field fence, but Steve usually took a lead about half way to the pitchers mound.
ron jacobi
los angeles, ca USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:59:47 (MDT
Alan...your recall of memories is great especially the ones you ot carried away on yesterday...sure I remember the Happy Robin. Great place. How 'bout cleaning the erasers in 46 in the basement...it was pretty spooky then !!! I mentioned one a long time ago...the GREEN WOODEN screen doors on the BPG doors (before we got the aluminum ones. They must have been late 50's/early 60's vintage..back when we didn't need to lock our doors.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:57:13 (MDT
'Great' Food: Does anyone remember the "Happy Robin" Restaurant on Hillside Ave. just off Springfield Blvd? I can still smell the hotdogs and fries. What a great place.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:44:57 (MDT
'Greatest' Punchball Player Controversy: Stuart Friedberg emphatically says Elliott Cohen; One of the Lewkow Brothers mentioned Pete "Dizzy" Wilensky and "Hoss" Wilensky; Richard Cohen suggested Danny Schochet and Ray Lewkow picked me. Well, I'll settle the score once and for all. It's very nice to be remembered for being good or even the best by one of your peers.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:37:49 (MDT
...spelling correction......really "GOOD" !
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:05:33 (MDT
Bob Lavigne......"Stretch was played where you had to pick up a knife thrown into the ground by your opponent and place your foot on the spot, then throw the knife and hope the other person couldnt reach your throw or fell down trying. If you were really god, you could throw that knife and stick it in the ground far away so it was an automatic win.I havent played that game since the early 60's. That's a real Blast from the Past.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:04:17 (MDT
Michelle Prager: Do you have a younger brother who works for Gary Posner Stamps? If you do, I met him at a stamp show in Arlington Heights in May. He asked me if I knew you.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 13:02:48 (MDT
Leslie Roth; Yes, the art teacher at 74 was Mrs. Heller;
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 12:56:25 (MDT
Corrections to posting of 6-13-00: Kindergarten teacher was not Mrs. Jacoby; 6th grade teacher was Mrs. Mack.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 12:34:55 (MDT
Anyone remember mumbly peg? or stretch? Has anyone heard Arlo Guthrie's update of Alice's Restaurant? Turns out that the 18 minute 20 second missing section of tape that Nixon had erased was actually the 18 minute 20 second version on Alices Restaurant that he didnt want people to know he was listening to. After all how may things are exactly 18 minutes and 20 seconds?
Bob Lavigne <BobJesse@aol.com>
Spokane, Wa USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 12:34:37 (MDT
Harris....you gave me a laugh. I too remember that green goop at the barbershop that stiffened your hair. And that paper tape they put on your neck before putting on the cape,.....and that itchy feeling on your back going home because there were still plenty of little hairs that went down inside your T-shirt .......that was sooooo long ago.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 11:29:57 (MDT
I remember Mr. McNally very well, I can still picture him. I was very fortunate, cause he was very nice to me and I have very fond memories of him, and I used to follow his brother Stephen's pictures, but I have a memory loss and cannot remember any of the pictures that I saw him in. I do remember though, he was very handsome. Francine and Mitch, maybe we can all go back for the BPG reunion next year. That would be great. We'll be the only one's our age unless we get other's who do not come to this sight to come too. WE'll have to put out the word!!!!! So Mitch, you were the one that stole my favorite GRAHAM CRACKERS!!!! Shame on YOU!!!
Roni Friedberg Nassberg <Ronika1@aol.com>
Scottsdale, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 11:13:44 (MDT
Stephen McNally was on an episode of the Outer Limits. He played one of 2 spacemen, who were on a planet where one of them were trapped .... there was a monster living under a "sea of sand "..... It was a good episode too !!!!
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 06:59:49 (MDT
Peri - I think that was called Double Dutch.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <Smokeycat1999@juno.com>
west hempstead, ny USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 06:33:26 (MDT
oops i meant francine
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 05:24:15 (MDT
What was it called when we jumped rope with 2 jumpropes...it had a name but i cant remember it...helen i bet u remember
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 05:23:41 (MDT
Mitch, Steve, Jerry - thanks for the info and input. It WAS Stephen McNally, and yes, I did play pick up stix too. But what I really want to know is, what are you guys doing up so late!!??!!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 00:55:13 (MDT
Francine--A few pages back someone inquired about McNally's brother. He was Steven McNally, who played detective-type roles and was a tv actor of some note in the 50s and 60s.
jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 00:04:43 (MDT
Yea...McNally looked like a scary Harry Truman.The principal in my daughter's school is a huggy kind of guy.School was not a place for hugs in our day.Classes were big, there was a lot to learn.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 22:06:14 (MDT
FRANCINE...i bet you played pick-up-sticks too...i rmember a mr. mcnally. but i can't visualize him. the man i was referring to was, i believe, a teacher...damn, i just can't remember his name.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 21:53:36 (MDT
Mitch - the Principal who raked you over the cookie coals at PS 46 was Mr. McNally. He was quite forbidding with his frameless reflecting glasses and slicked back hair. I remember hearing he had a brother who was a famous movie star. Anyone remember anything about that? while we're on toys & games, my childhood was filled with Potsy, chalked onto the sidewalk and sacrosanct, jacks and red rover among other things. None cost more than a quarter (for the jacks and ball) and were really more fun than the jillion dollar stuff kids crave today. I think it was more fun because those games required friends to play, and forced us to forge and maintain friendships. It's apparent we are still using those skills today.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 20:29:36 (MDT
Jerry.. maybe you also remember the name of the green goop the barber would put on our hair after the cut. It would make your hair stiff, like it was laquered.. until you washed it out. And another smell.. the talcum powder he would slap on your neck at the end.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 19:45:46 (MDT
MORE SMELLS...how about the smell of chocolate covered graham crackers that you had with your milk when we had our "snack break" at p.s. 46? i was one of the cookie monitors in one of my classes there and got into real trouble when my co-monitors and i raided the cookie cache...we had to go in front of mr. ___________? he was very scary and always was tough on the kids. to this day i have no idea why we did what we did...we weren't very smart about it...that's probably why i didn't chose a life of crime.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 19:20:11 (MDT
Harris--That blue stuff still exists. It's called "Barbicide", which I always thought was kind of funny. Use your imagination.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 17:43:17 (MDT
All the talk of the barber shop... remember how they used to put the combs in the jar with the blue stuff in it? Disinfectant I guess. How about the pickle barrel in the supermarket.. reach in and get a big sour one!
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 17:14:25 (MDT
ALAN S. For years, coming home on the F train from Art and Design I'd often see Huntz Hall, sitting in the car, wearing an alpaca sweater. He had been my favorite Bowery Boy, but I never said anything to him, thinking he might be embarrased to be recognized.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 15:51:41 (MDT
Some of my memories are - Playing hit the pennny - Using a slip and slide which was put on our middle lawn. Pogo sticks - Using chalk to draw pictures on the sidewalk.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 15:38:59 (MDT
Boyoboy, Steve and all - I wish I could be there for your gig and for the reunion and the Blue Bay, all of it! If this becomes an annual thing, I can be there next year, but I'm pretty sure my Mom & Dad will be at the reunion. Stu Schneider and Steve Willet, get your Moms to come; maybe they can get up an outdoor mah jongg or canasta game! And to all, please take plenty of pictures and post the best (with identifying captions, of course) on TOTC. I'm just loving the sounds and smells of childhood you are posting; each one brings back 20 other memories. Aloha to all :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 15:00:04 (MDT
I did the same thing with some old wooden beam and also split the skate, front and rear. But I went further and added a wooden crate on the front with handles for more stability.The best ride was to go up Springfield Blvd to the top of the hill opposite Alley Pond Park then turn around and it was all downhill from there. You could take a chance and go zipping down the street all the way to the lots.....what a ride.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 14:52:14 (MDT
My first skateboard was a plank of wood onto which I nailed a roller skate (the kind that you stepped into and tightened with a key) that I cut in half. Nowadays the skate boards are a fortune of $.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 14:43:55 (MDT
Who can remember some of the simple little toys we used to pass hours of time with? Slinky of course.. mesmerizing... how about those gyroscopes that you would balance on a string?.. tops?... yo-yos....the little wooden gliders with the metal tabs on the edges of the wings... (or paper planes made from your looseleaf paper)..kites with tails made from old sheets? How about capguns?... talk about the greatest smell..caps!!
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 14:33:41 (MDT
Speaking of the barber shop on 73rd, does anyone else remember the rumor that there was a bookie in the basement? I remember getting my haircut and watching a parade of Damon Runyon type characters walking in saying hello to Mike the owner and going right to the basement.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 13:00:05 (MDT
Steve: I think the Soda Man's name was Mr. Schneider, and his helper's name was Robert.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 12:51:46 (MDT
I remember the following:------------------------------------ Spaulding Ball (lighter pink than a Pennsy Pinky; --------- Painting the playground fences throughout BPG during the __summer of 1970; ------------------------------------------- Duncan Yo-Yo's; ------------------------------------------- Marc Rubenstein, Andrew Perlstein, Michael Sims, Ronnie __Krieg, Judy Shimberg, Richard Neubauer, Mark Anson, Fran __Krasner, Steven Black, David McKeown, Joni Nadish, Mrs. __Jacoby (kindergarten teacher); Mrs. Wax (3rd & 6th grade __teacher); Mrs. K. Marits (very nice indeed) (4th grade __teacher); Miss Miller (5th grade teacher); ---------------__Artie Cohen; David Berman; Bernie Kahn; Jeff Israel; __Steve Friedman; Mitchell Dressner; Elisa Elian (5th grade __at 46; not BPG), Where are they now? ---------------------- 4th of July in the Lots; Finding unexploded firecrackers, __etc. on the 5th and making our own fireworks; WOW! -------- 46 vs. 205 in punchball ----------------------------------- Working at Waldbaum's on Springfield Blvd; ---------------- November 9, 1965 - the day of the great blackout in the __northeast; the day I was in charge of the dairy case at __Waldbaum's ------------------------------------------------ My brother Michael telling me to leave a 1 cent tip at __Rudy's Pizzeria (next to Jahn's) after consuming a large __pizza. (How fast can you run?) ---------------------------- Zach's Bay at Jones Beach with the 46 day camp - the red __rubber swimming caps - ouch! ------------------------------ The monkey bars at 46 ------------------------------------- Palisades Park in NJ - I spent a fortune trying to get __the crane to pick up the everything in one knife ---------- Kitty City - who didn't go there and have a blast! -------- Silly Putty - So who needs fancy toys? -------------------- Gene Felder's 6th b-day party at Alley Pond Park ---------- Sledding on my Flexible Flyer (I still have 2 similar __sleds I received from a friend when I moved to IL) at __Oakland Golf Course - there were some great hills (and __boulders too!) -------------------------------------------- The Deli next to the Banker's Trust on Horace Harding - __fresh, made to order Hero (not Sub, submarine or hoagie)__sandwiches ------------------------------------------------ The A&P on Horace Harding - C&C soda which came in a can __with a short neck and the cap on top (looked like __something you might find at a gas station) ---------------- The smell as I walked across the bridge from Flushing to __Shea Stadium ---------------------------------------------- The radiators in my house --------------------------------- Dr. Kurzius - my dentist on Springfield Blvd who did a __wonderful job of turning my mouth into a silver mine ------ The round cardboard inserts in the paper cap on the real __milk bottles ---------------------------------------------- Playing (I was a pitcher) with Mike Jorgenson on the FLHS __baseball team --------------------------------------------- Marty Grossman's 56 Caddy - what a beaut! ----------------- Playing basketball with Steve Beck just before I learned __of his illness -------------------------------------------- Bonomo's Turkish Taffy - this came in a bag in bite size __pieces (like tootsie rolls) at the Fresh Meadows theater -__The Tootsie Roll Company bought Bonomo's and continued to __make Turkish Taffy until about 10 years ago --------------- Getting my Cub and Boy Scout uniforms, etc. at __Tannenbaum's near the corner of Bell and Northern Blvds --- Egg Cream Sodas at the store near Tannenbaum's ------------ The Skully Board at 46 ------------------------------------ The 'Big' rock near the middle of the Lots - we tried to __move it with one of our homemade bombs - it's still there-- Lik-A-Maid - the flavored, powdered candy you ate by __wetting the end of your finger, putting it inside the __little packet and then placing it in your mouth ----------- Did you know that Huntz Hall who played Satch with the __Dead End Kids, East Side Kids and The Bowery Boys lived __across from JHS 74 on 210th about 1 block from Horace __Harding Blvd? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know this was a lot - I got on a roll.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 12:28:35 (MDT
Steve....I forgot that brand....."Hammer"....I don't remember his name or his helper..the blond guy. I got my first flat top in that barbershop. Remember the little container of "butch wax" we bought there and we used to use to keep our front hair standing straight up?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 12:12:03 (MDT
David...wow WITCH HAZEL...use to get my haircut at the barber shop on 73rd and I recall the Witch Hazel....by the wy...there is now a traffic light at 73rd near the deli. It was a long time comming since that was a pretty dangerous intersection. Does anyone recall the guys who use to deliver the Hammer soda. They use to carry about 5 bottles in between their fingers in each hand.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 11:48:22 (MDT
I too remember the loud clanking of the ropes on the flagpole,the scraping roar of the garbage trucks when they (belatedly) came in to clear the snow from the driveways, the sound of the barbers sharpening their straight razors on the leather strops at the side of the chairs, the wonderful smell of Witch Hazel they slapped upon the men's faces and necks after a shave, the sound of a single nickel dropping through the cash holder on the bus(student pass)and the wonderful sound it produced when the bus driver turned it on to sort the change.....the sound of our first airconditioner.....it was like getting a new car......and of course, our first new car with it's New Car smell! I miss hearing the voices of my friends knocking on our back door and asking my mother if David can come out and play. I miss going over an apartment to "call for a friend" to go out and play something.....and the relief on their mother's face just to get them out of the house......the sound of a rubber ball hitting the screen door in stoopball. I also remember hearing the LIRR in the most quiet hours of the morning. And also the sound of the clinking bottles as the seltzer man came up the steps yelling "Seltzer Man!"....and wondering how he managed to keep all those heavy bottles from teetering over the side of the truck and crashing onto the street. I miss been able to make a "spritzer"........and the many different 'mouth-watering' smells of the "appetizng store"...there is absolutley nothing like them here.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 11:38:52 (MDT
Smells...I remember the smell of my Dad's Wildroot Cream Oil (Charlie..) wafting in in with theNescafe, and toast smells, before he left for work at 5:00 every morning, telling me through my sleep that all was right with the world. I remember the smell of the lawns, after they had been mowed, and the wet leaves in Alley Pond in the fall. And the smell of the appitizing store on Springfield- halavah, white fish and pickled things. I remember the fresh newsprint smell of the Daily News mixed with the bagels and lox smells, and Minnie Epstien's rugelachs and blondies baking. The fried doughnut smell that would smack you as you got off the bus in Jamaica, (near Mays) and Elyse Arnow's Dad's cherry infused pipe tobaco, mixed in with her Mom's Lemon Pledge. I rmember the smell of the JHS 74 lunchroom, and of the girls lockers. Jean Nate', Coppertone at Rockaway Beach, and those cherry cheese knishes. And the warm pizza smell walking into Joe's on a really cold day. The wood floor, popcorn and toasted bran muffin smell at Lamston's, and the new record smell (yes records smelled...) at Larry's. And last but not least, the subway smells...all of them.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 08:58:34 (MDT
Some more sounds...The loud thump, followed by the snap, crackle and pop of a 10 pound tonearm clunking onto the vinyl record, following the wobbly groove to the first song...The great opening riff of Bonanza, which meant it was 9:00 on Sunday nite and time to hang with the Cartwrights...The loud buzz of my red "Snippy" electric scissor cutting easily through the colored paper...The first distant, but instantly recognizable jingle of Maury, the Good Humor Man weaving his truck up and down 210th street through 213th street and finally to 214th street where I lived...The clanging of the heavy metal garbage cans as my father brought them in from the street when he came home from work...The scary, high-pitched, whining noises that came through the wall from the room next to me--my brother Dave practicing his Chinese...
stu levin <stulevin@hotmail.com>
fort salonga, USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 07:58:35 (MDT
I've been reading about all the sounds we remember from the 'ole hood. It amazes me that when we think of sounds it brings all the memories back, I especially took note of the sound of the clanging of the ropes on the flapole which could be heard from my apt....of course you had to be pretty close to the flagpole as we were. One sound which i recall is the distant sound of teh LIRR horn blowing when all was quite in the middle of the night or the early morning. Helen, I loved your descriptions...it paints a quaint, innocent picture..after all wasn't that how things were back then. Alan Lefton....we had 3 bedrooms but at least you were about to escape from the rest of the family by going upstairs...and if I remeber correctly the families in the 5 room apts. had their oen provate back yard
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 07:56:47 (MDT
Larry, a Playboy under a rock is sort of a buried princess, in a modern kind of way...EVERYONE, thanks for your wonderful sound memories, I love reading them.
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Tuesday, June 13, 2000 at 06:40:30 (MDT
Thinking back on Bell Park in the 50's, I remember: Peter(Punky)Roth assuring me that an Indian princess was buried in the vacant lot adjacent to P.S 46- and having the gullibilty to have him show me the location, which didn't exist, but having the fortune to find a Playboy under a rock (an even greater treasure!):remembering the sombre march to the temple on Yom Kippur, wondering/worrying how long Rabbi Issacson would lecture, and envying Mike Jorgenson playing baseball, and having intrusive thoughts of converting: playing endless faux baseball games with Barry Shapiro, hurling the ball down the driveway as Duke Snider raced to 2nd base to beat Mantle's throw: waiting for "Joe the Ice-Cream Man" to cruise up the street and racing up the stairs to beg my mother for some $$$: being old enough for my mother to drop us off at The Century, to see "Earth vs. Flying Saucers" for .35: playing tackle football on any and all lawns without any equipment: watching Harvey clear the 46 right field fence in punchball. There are number of people I would love to hear about....Jimmy Givant, Robert Bass, Harris Levy, Keith Sokol, Bruce Hensel, Mel Schneiderman, Joan Noroff, Joey Ash, Ricky Bernstein, Alan Friedman. Anyone?
Larry Liebman <a1nnie@pacbell.com>
Oakland, CA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 23:46:52 (MDT
Thinking back on Bell Park in the 50's, I remember: Peter(Punky)Roth assuring me that an Indian princess was buried in the vacant lot adjacent to P.S 46- and having the gullibilty to have him show me the location, which didn't exist, but having the fortune to find a Playboy under a rock (an even greater treasure!):remembering the sombre march to the temple on Yom Kippur, wondering/worrying how long Rabbi Issacson would lecture, and envying Mike Jorgenson playing baseball, and having intrusive thoughts of converting: playing endless faux baseball games with Barry Shapiro, hurling the ball down the driveway as Duke Snider raced to 2nd base to beat Mantle's throw: waiting for "Joe the Ice-Cream Man" to cruise up the street and racing up the stairs to beg my mother for some $$$: being old enough for my mother to drop us off at The Century, to see "Earth vs. Flying Saucers" for .35: playing tackle football on any and all lawns without any equipment: watching Harvey clear the 46 right field fence in punchball. There are number of people I would love to hear about....Jimmy Givant, Robert Bass, Harris Levy, Keith Sokol, Bruce Hensel, Mel Schneiderman, Joan Noroff, Joey Ash, Ricky Bernstein, Alan Friedman. Anyone?
Larry Liebman <a1nnie@pacbell.com>
Oakland, CA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 23:45:53 (MDT
The clanging of the ropes up the side of the "talller than the sky" flag pole in the wind. The flaping shut of the mail slot at the door to anounce the mail had arrived. the slamming of the back screen door to announce the arrival or departure of "the kids" and their friends. The banging of the garbage cans in the garbage room as the sanitation departmen trucks would GROOOOAN with the pnumatics and the workmen barking out commands to "move on" to the next room. The sound of the metal roller skates from the concrete to the smooth soft asphalt. And of course the individual call of the appropriate Mom's voice "--------- COME HOME FOR SUPPER!" and the litany of repeated and more demonstrative pleadings. Oh how many of those Mom's GOLDEN VOICES are missed today. But memories like those can never be replaced or matched with music other than the music of the heart.
Chet (Chester) Elfenbein <Celf@aol.com>
Miami, FL USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 21:47:47 (MDT
I remember the hot summer night sounds, walking home from hanging out at Springfied, the air very still- grown ups would be clustered together on the benches or on lawn chairs in front of the stoops, whispering it would seem, and then laughing out loud. The women usually in some version of "house dresses", and men in shorts and no shirts or those sleeveless undershirts. Some times you would hear the clicking and banging of the mah jong tiles... I remember the sounds of the air conditioners mixed with the mini lawn sprinklers- and the droning of the cicadas. When Joni Mitchell came out with the title of her album, "The Hissing of Summer Lawns", I thought she had nailed it just right...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 21:22:02 (MDT
Fern - that should have been Mother; I lost the M somewhere in cyberspace, sorry. My memories of the sounds of Bell Park include the robins in the early morning during late April and May, through the summer, the geese, honking as they flew overhead bound for warmer places in late September and October, the flapping of playing cards clothespinned to bike spokes, the thunk, thunk, thunk of a spaldeen against the Elfenbein twins' driveway wall, the loud slamming sounds of a washing machine when a big load got unbalanced in the Bldg 10 laundry room out our back door, our neighbor, Tessie Christie calling "Chris-TEEEEEEN!!" out her front door, Harriet Schneider's laughter at the weekly mah-jongg games, the clank of the tiles and the calls of "three bam (etc)" at those same games, the sound of Joe the Ice Cream Man's truck coming up 218th street (different from the sound of the Good Humor truck or the Bungalow Bar truck, and later the sirenous Mr. Softee truck) and most of all, my friends, calling for me at the door; "Florence, can Fran come out to play"? Thanks for bringing back those wonderful memories. :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 19:56:09 (MDT
Since we are getting close to the date, i think it's a good time to repost ed's post regarding the reunion on JULY 15th!!!...since ed is out of town i am going to post it for him...is this plagurism (sp?)??? REMINDER: REUNION 2000 will be held at Alley Pond Park, picnic area near the parking lot on 76th Avenue off Springfield Blvd. Saturday, July 15th from noon till 6 PM (raindate Sunday, July 16th). Look for the banner that says T - O - T - C for the exact location . . . If you plan on attending, it is important that you register your name (and how many in your party) on the Reunion 2000 Sign-Up Sheet on the Bulletin Board . . . DISCUSSION: As with any large scale event, there is always some doubt if it will take place. Let me assure you, this reunion will take place as described above! A Special Permit has been obtained from the NYC Parks and Recreation Dept. for a large-scale picnic. A Ballfield Permit has also been obtained for Field #7 (the best field, trust me) between 2 and 4 PM for both Saturday, July 15th and Sunday (raindate), July 16th . . . If you think that this reunion is a good idea and you intend on being there, then please SIGN-UP. Only by joining others on the Sign-Up Sheet will this become the reality it should be! We can always deal with Committee assignments at a later time . . . Reunion 2000 is an open event for people of all ages, for Bell Parkers and non-Bell Parkers, for past and present residents of Bayside and their guests. I can't stress the open nature enough . . . Finally, I have received several excellent suggestions on how to improve the reunion via private e-mail. My response has been that those are excellent ideas - go volunteer to Chair the appropriate committee and make it happen! If there isn't an appropriate committee, create one . . . This reunion will be exactly what the participants will make it to be, not what I want it to be! Helen and I have merely set the table - you all must make the meal . . . SO IT IS A GO FOR REUNION 2000 - BE THERE, OR BE A SQUARE! Ed Lapal Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, March 30, 2000 at 07:50:58 (MST --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 19:48:41 (MDT
Fern - I'm very sorry to hear of your other's passing, although I did not know your family, we didn't live far from you at 67-87 218th Street. My Mom & Dad are still there, and unfortunately most of the neighbors that have been part of their lives for the past 51 years are gone, one at a time, marking the passage of time. It is sad, and sadder still for you, I am sure to have lost one so dear to you. Please accept my deepest sympathy for you and your family.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 19:44:34 (MDT
Sound Memories : The Q 27 pulling out of the bus stop on to Springfield heard from my bedroom window."STEEEEVEEEEEEN getinthehouse!" (my mom).The clang of the Seltzer Man delivering.The sound of clothespinned baseball cards flicking through the spokes of bicycle tires.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 19:21:57 (MDT
I asked Emily Parker to the 6th grade prom in 1961. Afterwards, we went to Jahn's for a kitchen sink. I don't know if this is the same Emily Parker you got the nerve up to to ask to the prom. Who is Mac? I don't know who the greatest punchball player of all time is. I do know I had a great time playing this great game. I also remember the classic stickball games I had with Gary Oriel, Marty Grossman and Mike Jorgenson. I also remember some of the classic basketball games I played in with Marty Grossman, my brother Michael et al. During the summer we would play at 46 on Saturday's from morning 'til night. I'm currently retired after a career in accounting and tax with McDonald's (the hamburger company). Just enjoying my free time for the time being.
Allen S. Ringler
Lisle, IL USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 18:56:35 (MDT
Alan Lefton......Remember the little paper tabs that sealed those milk bottles ? .....and how about going out the kitchen door and stepping into snow to find the milk frozen.Speaking of sounds....I remember the deep grinding sound of Dr. Harrison's drill as he struggled to get it deep into my jawbone. I was very young but I'll never ever forget that sound!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 11:12:30 (MDT
Fern, I was saddened to learn of the death of your mother. I remember her well, from the time we were little girls through High School. One of my clearest memories is when she brought your brother Jeff home after giving birth, and he did what infant boys usually do. That was really my first contact with an infant. I remember all us girls giggling up a storm after that one. Again, my sincere condolences.
Donna Kefkowitz Kates <dkates@aahperd.org>
Reston, VA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 10:18:26 (MDT
Steve Willett. .. Yeah ... but you had 3 bedrooms !!!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 09:54:42 (MDT
Fern--My condolences. It seems we were not too distant neighbors (I was at 67-09) but I don't seem to remember your family. You must have lived a couple of doors down from the Yanovers and Sotskys. Whenever I speak with my mother, she mentions the passing of neighbors. It is sad for her, and for me too as we have to acknowledge the passing of time in this way. I hope you find solace down the road.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 09:43:01 (MDT
Lefton.....only some of us had back doors !!!!!
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 08:22:51 (MDT
Hello: It feels appropriate to post a message here about the death, last Thursday, of my mother Bella Fisher. She lived at 67-35 218th St. for over 40 years, until 1996. She has experienced a decline in health for several years due to Parkinson's disease and other complications. I feel especially connected to my memories of growing up in Bell Park during these days while the difficult recent years are leaving my memory and the active, vibrant, healthy times are flowing back more vividly. Perhaps some of you or your parents might remember our family and would be interested to know about my mother's death. I would be happy to hear from any of you through e-mail. Best regards!
Fern Fisher <Fernfisher@aol.com>
Brookline, MA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 08:18:55 (MDT
Hello: It feels appropriate to post a message here about the death, last Thursday, of my mother Bella Fisher. She lived at 67-35 218th St. for over 40 years, until 1996. She has experienced a decline in health for several years due to Parkinson's disease and other complications. I feel especially connected to my memories of growing up in Bell Park during these days while the difficult recent years are leaving my memory and the active, vibrant, healthy times are flowing back more vividly. Perhaps some of you or your parents might remember our family and would be interested to know about my mother's death. I would be happy to hear from any of you through e-mail. Best regards!
Fern Fisher <Fernfisher@aol.com>
Brookline, MA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 08:18:51 (MDT
SOUNDS .... Also , the sounds of milk-bottles clinking at 4:45 in the morning, when they still delivered them to the little box next to your front or back door ... Have a Great week and Good Post-Shabbas ......
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 06:18:54 (MDT
Another loud noise was the guys mowing the lawns real early in the mornibg. Also did anybody know that Alison Steele owned a store on 59 and third, it was a cat store. Saw her there once.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 05:10:28 (MDT
Ray.. I saved those guys.. only used the Nellie Fox with that big wad of tobacco in his cheek.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Monday, June 12, 2000 at 00:57:19 (MDT
Too much sun today. Make that butchered in our spokes.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 23:49:24 (MDT
Harris, Think of all the mint condition Mantle, Mays, Aaron, and Clemente cards that got buthered in our spokes.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 23:38:52 (MDT
2 more BPG sounds; The screams and cheers of excitement coming from the diamonds of Alley Pond on Sunday morning. I was amazed how the sound traveled that distance so clearly in thru my bedroom window. And the roar of the garbage truck door closing in for the the kill, as it got ready to compact our trash. Somehow I don't miss that one.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 23:27:37 (MDT
Elliot; I saw Arlo Guthrie live at WaterLoo Village in New Jersey some 10 years ago performing "Alice's Restaurant". Being a Rock fan, thought I would be bored! It was great.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 22:48:58 (MDT
ELLIOT...the true alice's restaurant is (was) about 1/3 of a mile from my home on pch (pacific coast highway). sadly, it closed about 3 years ago...when the owners pulled the furniture and fixtures out overnight...the city of malibu was trying to jack-up the rent and the tenants just couldn't hack it...the malibu pier is currently going through renovation and is going to be completely rebuilt...the alice's restaurant sign is still there at the head of the pier...i hope that the city decides to keep it as a historic landmark.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 20:50:27 (MDT
DIANE...a sound that haunts me is the siren that used to blare twice per day at creedmore hospital for the insane...i lived on 230 th st, between 69th and 73 rd (just on the other side of alley pond park from the hospital), did you guys hear it too?
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 20:45:35 (MDT
Hey Diane I agree with everything you said - but a train -I lived next door to you and a train was not something I heard lol
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 20:21:54 (MDT
OK Diane.. here we go... the 12 o'clock siren that would go off in the afternoon.. the plow coming through on an otherwise very quiet morning after a snowstorm.. cars "peeling out" on hot summer nights in the parking lot behind the stores.. (my bedroom window overlooked that lot)... the occasional sonic boom.. the far away and then closer loudspeaker on cars campaigning near election time.. the drone of propeller airplanes overhead on summer days.. the simpler and easier to take bells on the Good Humor truck.. cards tucked in the spokes of a bicycle wheel... the crack of a bat during ball games.. the wind howling through the halls of our apartment building in the winter.. and the steam clanging up through radiators.. car radios playing songs in ragtops... and every kid in the neighborhood at one point or another asking their parents "why not" and being told "because I said so"!
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 19:36:09 (MDT
Speaking of sounds, we've talked about memorable sights and foods of Bayside but not the sounds. This is not as lame a topic as you'd think at first! The barking dogs of my neighborhood now were completely absent in BPG. Here are some of my favorite Spring-Summer sound memories of BPG: 1)The drums announcing the annual Little League Parade, 2) The guys playing basketball at night in our driveway - they lulled me to sleep (Ellen Mendola mentioned that too) & I always listened for curse words, 3) The insipid Mr. Softee song, again and again and again, 4) The whirring of air conditioners on hot summer nights, 5) The far off "train" or "expressway" sound you could hear in the middle of cooler summer nights when the air conditioners were off. Any takers?
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 19:04:37 (MDT
Elliot, thanks, I could almost hear Steele’s velvet voice from WNEW as I read your message. I also remember WBAI back then. My big brother got me my first subscription to WBAI when I was a preteen. I remember that in anticipation of FCC regulations barring “drug culture oriented music,” on the airwaves, they played two full hours of “drug culture oriented music.” I also remember when they were having one of their incessant pledge drives, the announcer threatened to play & repeat “Lady Madonna” until $500 in pledges came in. It's a catchy tune, but it brings on retching after 7 times.
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 18:39:01 (MDT
The first time I realized a woman could have an incredibly sexy voice was listening to "The Nightbird", Allison Steele on WNEW. I also recall listening to the entire uncut version of Alice's Restaurant on underground station WBAI.
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Sunday, June 11, 2000 at 16:06:06 (MDT
Thanks to whomever passed my name on to Engrid. I am now intouch with an old friend. The power of "The Board".
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 20:53:24 (MDT
Hey Saul - I have a small grill that I will bring. Desert I thought I would bring marshmellows. Also I have a picture of you me and a couple of other kids on our first day of kidergarten. Thanks to mom, she never throws anything out. P.s. You were a cutie. See you at the reunion
Ellen Mendola <Smokeycat1999@juno.com>
west hempstead, ny USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 16:17:59 (MDT
Harold and Saul, Blue Bay sounds like a plan!! See you there! Anybody know how to contact Toni, Pomo, Becker, etc?
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 13:56:50 (MDT
This is supposed to be a hot weekend .. it's time to go to PS 46 and run under the sprinkler ....... Have a great weekend ..... Good Shabbas ........... Alan
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 13:37:53 (MDT
Andrea - this is Andrea - your name sounds so familiar, but I can't seem to place the face. I asked my sister Marge and she seems to remember - If you know who I am or have a vague recollection - write - Andrea Rothbart
Andrea Rothbart <aman253980@aol.com>
Yorktown, NY USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 13:34:01 (MDT
Time to re-surface and ask some opinions about the re-union. Specifically FOOD & MUSIC! Hopefully this will get folks to add their two cents and make the re-union the most fun we can have with our clothes on. FOOD - Pot luck (you make it, you bring it, you share it, you deal with it afterwards) or somehow catered ... Deli, Pizza, Adrians whatever. What will allow you to enjoy your time more? MUSIC - Hire a real DJ type person or, someone step up to bring, set-up and run the music. Let's hear your thoughts folks. Harold - see you Friday night, 7 PM @ Blue Bay. Saturday morning (7?, 8?, 9? 10? AM) at 46 too!
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 10:10:05 (MDT
Hey Andrea, good to see u on board, i was asking about u...i didnt remember that party til u just reminded me...do u keep in touch with little linda (kaplan)we used to call her linny pins, remember that???get her on too...i also wrote to your sister asking for your address...write to me privately...gotta go now took a vacation day and im off to...where else but the golf course
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 04:00:12 (MDT
Peri - I will be flying in, as will several others living here in California, for the July 15th reunion. If it is half as successful as the mini reunion at Helen Behar's in Santa Cruz, we are all going to have a great time. Hope to see everyone then.
Paul Allen <intercafe@earthlink.net>
Marina Del Rey, CA USA - Friday, June 09, 2000 at 00:37:06 (MDT
Condolences to the Sirowitz family; we lived in their court.
Marjorie Lavigne DeVito
Port Jefferson , NY USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 20:05:25 (MDT
Peri - I remember the storm where everyone walked home from 179th street. I remember walking home with Marge it was the pits - I also remember maybe you do too: remember the birhtday party you had at your house and there was a black out - I'll never forget it
Andrea Rothbart <aman253980@aol.com>
Yorktown, NY USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 18:59:57 (MDT
Lori Krutoy - I just heard about the site, and I hear you wrote to Marge - How are you - write back soon
Andrea Rothbart <aman253980@aol.com>
Yorktown, NY USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 18:52:58 (MDT
Lori Krutoy - I just heard about the site, and I hear you wrote to Marge - How are you - write back soon
Andrea Rothbart <aman253980>
Yorktown, NY USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 18:51:34 (MDT
Andrea Rothbart - just found out about this site - now living in Yorktown Hts. My sister (Marge) is still in BPG -
Andrea Rothbart <aman253980>
Yorktown, NY USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 18:44:02 (MDT
Hi I just received offical notice of the Van Buren reunion for classes 1960-1965 on Aug. 12th. If interested, of if you have a brother or sister in those classes they can contact REUNIONS UNLIMITED PO Box 150 Englishtown NJ 07726
Joel Fried <cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Thursday, June 08, 2000 at 14:25:25 (MDT
Hey Joel - remember when the playgrounds had sandboxes. I also remember a guy selling balloons on a stick. What about pogo sticks ( I think they are still around) I remember we had a red wagan. I remember the basketball courts, you guys used to play early in the morning and late at night. I also remember the black and green tiles in the bathroom. (ugh) I remember that huge rock on the corner of springfield Blvd and the park. When did they move that. Hey Peri - I am sure quite a few people are going to the reunion, can't wait.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 18:50:18 (MDT
I remember Chow Chow Cup, the Knife Man, Walter The Window guy, I remember when the swings became rubber, I remember the big cement tubes we used to hide in when it rained, I remember how jealous I was of kids that lived in the duplex apartments, I remember Ingrid Rothstein and Gloria Katz, beautiful girls, I remember the nicknames, Liver, Schnoz, I remember how some of the fathers played blackball at PS 46, how we used to carve our names into the benches and on to trees and how we rode our bikes to the library on Union Typk. and Charlotte Rouse and my Dr. making house calls to Bell Park and Sylvia Israel she was the first to wear that new item of clothing a Ski Jacket, and going to cousin club meetings in Alley Pond Park and parking down by Oakland Lake, and suicide hill on the golf course and how some parents were wonderful and others drove us crazy.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 15:26:15 (MDT
Steve, im not sure...i dont remember
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 13:35:12 (MDT
Peri, the site has been very quite the last couple of days. Are we running out of memories ???
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 13:27:05 (MDT
I just realized the reunion is only about a month away and noone is talking about it...does that mean noone is going???whats up???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 13:02:18 (MDT
Just heard that Alan Sirowitz' Father(Sharkie) passed away today. My condolences go out to the family Ida, Bruce and Alan.
Lenny Zimmerman <leonard.zimmerman>
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 11:56:58 (MDT
Francine, I haven't forgot about that flasher, I was with you and it gave me nightmares for awhile, and I didn't tell my parents either.
Roni Friedberg Nassberg <Ronika1@aol.com>
Scottsdale, AZ USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 08:03:51 (MDT
Hi I just heard about a reunion for Van Buren HS Class of 1960-1965. If you are interested, I sure am, its at the Marriott in Uniondale on Aug 12, 2000. You can contact: REUNIONS UNLIMITED PO Box 150 Englishtown NJ 07726 Or email them at Classreunion1035@aol.com -- for more info. I think its a dinner thing.
Joel Fried <cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Wednesday, June 07, 2000 at 06:36:17 (MDT
With summer come, you know it's time for "free Camp" Haven't seen any recent reflections on, bumper pool, ping pong, pool, softball games with those squishy softballs. Also, wasn't there an indoor game that was similar to scully?
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 18:52:44 (MDT
Faun Bank--My brother Ted Feigelman was friends with your brother Glen (he's a doctor in Madison NJ). Where is your brother today? We all lived on Francis Lewis Blvd. and 53rd. I remember you. Do you remember hanging out with all of us at 162 park and Ken the parkie? My mom bought material from your dad to redo the kitchen chairs so many years ago.I tried to E-Mail you, but your E-Mail is too long.
Elizabeth Feigelman (Klamson) <Eliz5319@CS.com>
East Meadow, NY USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 14:11:28 (MDT
Yes, so true David. My parents were called more than once. Between Mr.Kostner, Mrs.Rackoff and Mr.Seawagon, I was always on someones list. The Section Sheet always had my name on it.
Joel Fried <cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 14:01:04 (MDT
Joel....I remember having to go sit in Mr.(Abraham) Kostiner's office once or twice, for minor offenses I'm sure.That wasn't as bad as the threat to call your parents. And that wasn't as bad as the threat to call home have your parent come pick you up from school. We were so easily cowed then. But we knew our fathers would 'beat the crap' out of us if we didnt tow the line.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 12:52:58 (MDT
Just found out about the site,I still live in BPG
Margory Rothbart <MyMaggieMay@aol,com>
Bayside, NY USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 12:41:42 (MDT
We lived for awhile on 218st. then in the flagpole court, around the corner from the Libermans, below Landsman, brother Richard and sister Suzanne. I went to Van Buren grad in 1963.
Joel Fried <cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 11:38:09 (MDT
Joel Fried - Where in Bell Park did you live and where did you go to HS and when did you graduate? From your posting it seems we grew up at about the same time. Though I can't recognize the girls from their last initials, I do remember Mrs. Innerfield. Rabbi Isaacson ever yelled at the girls. About the empty lot on east side of PS 46: we used to walk through reading the comics we bought at the store on Springfield. One day when I was with one of my friends a man popped up from out of nowhere and (yep..you guessed it) opened his raincoat to display his wares. We ran like hell and never told our parents. I used to love getÝing my greasy burger off the little train that ran around the counter at the Hamburger Express. These days the big treat is picking up my litÝle plate of unagi sushi from the rotating counter server at Genki Sushi in Honolulu!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 11:28:09 (MDT
Joel, i still look forward to snow days so i dont have to go to work...some things never change!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 05:31:22 (MDT
Does anyone remember Mrs.Innerfield, Mr.Kostner, Mrs.Rackoff, Mrs.Fitzgerald, Mr.Miller? Did anyone you hang out at PS 46 on the back steps? Or on the benches next to the two handball courts with Tommy the Parkie? Or get yelled at by Rabbi Issacson? Or eat a burger at the Hamburger Express or date anyone from Bell Park. I remember old girlfriends Cook S., Sylvia .I, Michel P., being madly in love with Gloria K. (not returned), wondering about Maddie K., and Ingrid R., I remember becoming a hall guard at JHS 74 so that I could see the cheerleader Doris L. come to school and she would have to talk to me to get in the building, I remember failing my geometry regency and not retaking it when I found out you did not need Regency credit to get into college, I remember drag racing on the new Clearview Expressway, the road to nowhere, and hanging out at Carvel on Union, and shopping in Jamaica at Kings and Gibbs (where I worked before being drafted), and Melvin B, Art D, Gordon B, Kenny R, Barry K and Barry W and the day camp at PS 46, the Knock Hockey and Ping Pong tournaments and my lumpy lanyard and stickball and the thrill of find a “water key” so that we could turn on the water when ever we wanted, and when very young the thrill of seeing grownup underwear in the drying yard, and of moving laundry around to different strings, and how great it was to walk outside and have dozens of kids to hang out with all within your own world and of riding my bike all the way to DeepDale and the Clearview apartments to date girls out of the BPG, and my bus pass and Columbia and the first English racer I saw and skate clamps when they turned big and wrapped around my sneakers, and my shingle gun and chalk socks and snow storms they kept us home.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 05:07:16 (MDT
OK. so I'm cross-posting, but the ribs discussion got me to thinking about some childhood memories. My grandmother, one of the best cooks in the western world, though Jewish, did not keep a kosher home, to put it mildly. As a little girl she worked in her family's travelers' inn in Buda, (across the river from Pest) and learned to cook there. One of her specialties was roast loin of pork. None of my Bell Park friends believed that I had a bubbie who cooked pork, and so I would bring a friend with me to the family Sundays in Brooklyn to show them. We were the talk of the 6th grade at PS 46 after a meal featuring shrimp salad as an appetizer and the famous roast pork, and several of the snobby girls from the private houses asked to come along to meet my "treyf grandma". My friend Doris looked those girls up and down and told them that they could not go to my grandma's house because she would only cook for people from Bell Park!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, June 06, 2000 at 01:38:35 (MDT
I had a crystal radio I built as a project in Electric shop at jhs74.( I forgot the teacher's name again). I built it on a board of Masonite and wrapped that magnet over and over with wire. I remember used old surplus Army headphones but I was able to pull in a few stations.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, June 05, 2000 at 11:29:21 (MDT
Steve....Crystals Radios,,wow what a memory of the past. I definately recall them. I'm sure that I had at least a few. Hearing those voices was pretty eery but made you feel like you were discovering something. Thanks for the memory..Thats what this site is all about.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Monday, June 05, 2000 at 08:45:51 (MDT
I just got back from a business trip in San Francisco...Just a note of thanks to Ray Lewkow, Gish Geller, and Harris Leibowitz for their suggestions on how to get tickets for a Giants game. I went last Wednesday night and had a great time. Bonds hit a HR in his first at bat on the first pitch. I bought great seats at face value ( the Howie Rose section...Press box level ... almost behind home plate ) Also ... looking at the ballpark from the inside, all the ads in the ballpark take away from it. The big Coke bottle & Glove are an eyesore ( which is a nice way of saying that it looks like crap !!! ) ... I wasn't here last Friday so Good Post-Shabbas .... ALAN
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Monday, June 05, 2000 at 08:41:06 (MDT
Yes, Ellen those crinolines were itchy as hell, so we wore regular half-slips under them. The virtue of the ballooning crinolines, as I recall, was that they made your waist look o so small, even if you were a "widette" like me! And I think we put our orange juice cans to better use than you young 'uns...what's straight hair compared to being able to hear Elvis down at the end of lonely street? :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 23:47:19 (MDT
Did anyone else have one of those crystal radios with the "cat whisker" adjuster that enabled you to get different stations? Many of us built them as a science fair project.I also had a different type of simple radio that used a carbon rod inside a coil to select the station.The antenna was a wire , the end of which we'd wrap on one of those steel radiator covers.I remember how amazed I was hearing the music and voices.You felt like you were really picking up the radio waves right out of the air...
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 21:45:52 (MDT
Francine: your a bit older then I so i dont remember poodle skirts, or the slips, but it sounds kinda itchy,i do remember being a little girl and my mother putting crinalin slips on me then the dress i useto rip them deliberatly boy did they itch!! David K: yes girls back then did iron their hair, i can remember being in my friends house and her mother screaming up the stairs, are you girls burning something!!! ahh...no LOL that would only be if the towel slipped. what a stink! ill stick to the juice cans, the headach from having the scrunchy to tight and the dent. and your right, im sure my hair didnt come out any straighter. But, you couldnt convince us back then, after all, didnt we know everything?LOL
Lori Maiorana{Krutoy} <Blondiebrd@aol.com>
Parlin, NJ USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 20:01:25 (MDT
Hey what happened...i went away for a weekend expecting to come back to an hour of catching up and there is hardly any postings...where did everyone go???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 16:51:04 (MDT
The big duck is now located in a little town called FLANDERS, way out here in Suffolk county.
Dave Kapp <davekappesq@mindspring.com>
Islandia, NY USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 13:36:42 (MDT
Hi! What a great website. Didn't live in Bell Park. Had many friends that did. I lived on Horace Harding between 224th and Cloverdale. Went to 74 and Cardozo. So many familiar names. Would love to hear from old friends.
Beth Lillian Viscusi <tonyandbeth@worldnet.att.net>
Wellington, Fl USA - Sunday, June 04, 2000 at 13:07:09 (MDT
To Steve; T.H.E Cat was Thomas Hewit EDWARD Cat.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 23:57:27 (MDT
Ed Lapal - T.H.E. Cat was Thomas Hewitt Elliott Cat, debonair cat burglar on a TV series in the late 60s. (WHY do I remember such things???) Great music by Lalo Schifrin, but the show lasted only about a season. What do I win for answering that?
Steve Cohen <scohenarr@mindspring.com>
Larchmont, NY USA - Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 12:22:03 (MDT
More stuff you would have heard on WABC... "WABC chime time" "News before the hour..." "American Contemporary Radio" The Top100 of 196x countdown each year "All the Way with HOA til 10" (Herb Oscar Anderson) Charlie Greer Roby Yonge Ron Lundy but you couldn't top Don Ingram (I have his autograph somewhere) and Cousin Brucie!
Ken Countess <ken73@aol.com>
Southlake (near Dallas), TX USA - Saturday, June 03, 2000 at 08:58:29 (MDT
To Dave Rosenbluth: My family and I lived in Columbia, MD. for 5 1/2 years and made trip after trip to D.C to see the Smithsonian Museum's and the Vietnam Memorial and everything else there is to see. It always seemed to be very emotional visits when going to the Vietnam Memorial. I remember looking in the book they have there and recognizing a name I thought to be a friend of my oldest brother. To this day, I remember the "chill" that went down my spine.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Thursday, June 01, 2000 at 17:32:26 (MDT
last spring I took my family to DC and Gettysburg for a week. I have in the past couple of years done some reading about WWII{Stephen Ambrose} and the Civil War{assorted} and especially regarding WWII I have felt that we owe that generation an enormous debt of gratitude. The type of sacrifice exhibited is rarely seen today. DC can make a person feel very proud to be an American.
dave rosenbluth
USA - Thursday, June 01, 2000 at 13:43:15 (MDT
I did not intend for my previous posting to sound like just another plea for tax money, it was just meant to bring to everyones attention the fact that our country is still creating veterans. Every day.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 22:27:44 (MDT
I'm glad people are remembering BPG was a VETERANS co-op. WWII was a terrible experience for our parents, but the dead of ALL wars, police actions, disturbances, peacekeeping missions, humanitarian missions,evev training missions should be remembered and honored. Yes,by all means, support the WWII memorial, support the Korean War Memorial, support the Vietnam War memorial, but more important, support the Veteran and families, the ones who are still alive and still need our help. Ask your representative in Congress for more funding for Veterans Affairs.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 22:19:55 (MDT
Mitch Freedman- ever since my family moved into Sunrise my kids ages 15 and 11 brought down the average age of the city to death. :)
Len Shain <LenardShain@hotmail.com>
Sunrise, FL USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 22:16:14 (MDT
P.S. ...... do send a few pennies to the WW II Memorial Fund.Honor our parents.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 20:36:53 (MDT
Ed...no it's not.I also didnt appreciate the significance either. I don't know about others but after seeing 'Saving Private Ryan' I went through a whole consciousness rebirth about the sacrifices of those men, and women. Spielberg put them into a new perspective that I had never understood before.I think Viet Nam poisoned our understanding of what the military's job is supposed to be. That it was composed of our fathers, grandfathers, uncles, cousins,etc.....just people cvaught up in events bigger than imagined, trying to survive to safely get back home.All the while fighting to keep foreign lands and our homes free. It's not a cliche'.When I see the Memorial wreathes and services now, I feel honored to to know these men of our parents generation. I look at them differently now...really. As I said on page 5 or 6 or 7....read Tom Brokaw's book...'The Greatest Generation".I wish we were more like them.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 20:33:55 (MDT
Just got back from Bell Park after dinner with my Dad. When I drove past the flagpole at JFK Circle, I noticed a large floral wreath placed there from Memorial Day. I remember as a kid thinking it was kinda 'hokey' . . but I don't think that anymore!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 18:56:06 (MDT
LEN, ED & DAVID...are you kidding? in sunrise, fl "t.h.e. cat" is just now in first run!
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 17:28:58 (MDT
Lori & other interested parties. We used orange juice cans as walkie-talkies! Roni Friedberg and I each had one, and they were strung together out our back bedroom windows, diagonally over the entrance to the Bldg 10 laundry room. When one or the other of our parents wouldn't let us play Elvis' "Heartbreak Hotel" for the zillionth time in a row, we got the other one to fire it up and listened through the juice can. I personally wore out 3 copies of that 45 before I got tired of it. Although we didn't iron our hair, we did soak nylon and/or horsehair crinolines (big, stiff slips) in a bathtub full of heavily sugared water and then dried them over open umbrellas. How else to get our felt poodle skirts to stand out just so? If our prom pix are up on the site, that's what's holding those dresses up & out. Where were the fashion police when we needed them?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 17:20:52 (MDT
Lori.......Reading your posting......I remember my sister( a genetic member of the naturally 'stick straight' hair club).....actually IRONING her hair on the ironing board ! I could tell no discernible difference but evidently there may have been a microscopic wave somewhere in there. I don't remember juice cans but maybe she knows.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 11:18:41 (MDT
Len....either you have a photographic memory or they're still showing obscure TV reruns down there in FLA.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 11:10:57 (MDT
Faun, i have an "old" Nexus book, i think back then most of the girls all looked alike, i still have the dent on the top of my head from the orange juice cans, making our hair straighter then it already was. If there is something you would like from it, ill try and accomadate<--sp? by scanning and sending it off to our famous webmaster.
Lori Maiorana{Krutoy} <blondiebrd@aol.com>
Parlin, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 10:18:45 (MDT
Len Shain . . . Where have you been these past months?? You could have settled several arguments on the TOTC.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 08:31:32 (MDT
David, you were close it's: A former aerialist and trapeze artist for the circus, and cat burglar, THOMAS HEWITT EDWARD CAT (T.H.E. Cat, get it?) now finds employment as a freelance bodyguard and investigator in San Francisco. He works out of an "office" at the Casa del Gato nightclub, a joint run by his good friend, and sometime cohort, Spanish gypsy Pepe. His police contact is Captain McAllister, he of the one arm and bowler hat.
Len Shain <LenardShain@hotmail.com>
Sunrise, FL USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 08:28:44 (MDT
Peri, It must be my broswer configuration. No need to send methe page but thanks for asking. Steve
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, May 31, 2000 at 06:39:21 (MDT
Ed....they stood for the multiple names of the title character in the TV show of the same name(the late 60's?). Played by Robert Loggia, he was an ex-burglar turned do-gooder. Unfortunately I forgot the names .......how about(Theodore Henry Edward?).
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 21:23:41 (MDT
The Duck . . The Big Duck . . The Giant Duck . . has moved three times in the last week! Soon it will be in a neighborhood near you . . . This thing has more lives than T.H.E. Cat (anyone remember what those initials stood for)?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 19:11:50 (MDT
FYI -The big duck is alive and well and living out here in Suffolk county. It just moved to a different location.
Dave Kapp <davekappesq@mindspring.com>
Islandia, NY USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 18:06:13 (MDT
Steve, i can get on page one...do you want me to copy it and email it to u???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 17:34:00 (MDT
Dear Webmaster Larry, Can you tell me why I am not seeing page 1 of the site when I click on PAGE ! Has it been deleted ? Thank you, Steve
Steve Willet
USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 12:15:49 (MDT
i was wondering does anyone know how to get hold of an old nexus yearbook? I must have sat close to alison in some classes because of the alphbetical seating that was in vogue those days thoe delaney cards were evrywhere anyway i read some of your names but can't remember the faces. i know yearbook pictures were not always that flattering but it would help my middle-aged memory anyone form 162 ever read this site? Ellen Grinsberg? valerie laveris marty miller, paul desind caryn hodes Dbbie vitale where are you?
faun bank <faun accrgkingston.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at 10:37:00 (MDT
Hi former B.P. G.ers - I just learned of this site from Joan Schwartz. I used to live in the court off Springfield Blvd. and 69 Ave. I went to 46, 74 and Lewis ('64). My brother Gary went to Van Buren and my sister, Alison to Cardozo.
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 18:00:14 (MDT
Don't know why the address won't come up, so I'll try again: http://www.delphi.com/cm-741/start
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 17:46:53 (MDT
Roni (Friedberg) Nassberg just turned me on to the Martin Van Buren HS site. Any VeeBees out there, the address is: . Check it out...it's a little stiff, but who wasn't in the late 50s?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 17:45:52 (MDT
Hi former B.P. G.ers - I just learned of this site from Joan Schwartz. I used to live in the court off Springfield Blvd. and 69 Ave. I went to 46, 74 and Lewis ('64). My brother Gary went to Van Buren and my sister, Alison to Cardozo.
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 17:28:58 (MDT
Hi former B.P. G.ers - I just learned of this site from Joan Schwartz. I used to live in the court off Springfield Blvd. and 69 Ave. I went to 46, 74 and Lewis ('64). My brother Gary went to Van Buren and my sister, Alison to Cardozo.
Stephanie Belkin Abrams <sa12@webtv.net>
flushing, NY USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 17:26:15 (MDT
Alison Belkin, do you also have a sister Linda???i went to school with a Linda Belkin
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 16:06:03 (MDT
Hi Alison . . . Glad to see that your father finally told you (your sister) about this website . . I've been after him for months. Hope all is well with you and your family.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 15:22:33 (MDT
hi folks. born in 53, graduated cardozo in 70 (1st graduating class). congrats on designing this fabulous site. just heard of it from my sister Stephanie (FLHS).
alison belkin <sagjrg@aol.com>
fort lee, nj USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 15:08:29 (MDT
Alan Sperling...The 77WABC commercial you referred to was in the early 60's for Dennison Clothier, which I believe was originally in lower Manhattan. They began their going-out-of-business ads on late evening spots with the catch-phrase "Money talks,nobody walks" and "no reasonable offer refused". The sale was supposed to end when the last item was sold and they closed their doors. The ads were super-obnoxious, repeated continually all night long. Unfortunately, the ad campaign was so successful, they continued to re-stock their dwindling inventory, moved to a larger location(possibly N.J.) and thrived for years after. God bless America.
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
Savannah, GA USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 12:01:41 (MDT
Mitch...do you remember a MAD Magazine feature (circa 1960) on 'Beach Blanket Bingo' with a 'well-endowed" Annette Funnyjello, it was a riot. Steven B....I was very much into fireworks at JHS 74 in the early 60's. I actually got caught throwing 'cracker balls' in the school yard and was dragged before Mrs. Edelstein (vice principal, I think) and forced to divulge my pusher (who happened to be my friends father). Most firecracker packages read 'Made in Macao'. Everyone assumed that was Macao,China but rumor had it was Macao, N.J. Some guy named Mike in my 7th grade class actually blew off one or two fingers while stuffing black powder from firecrackers into a test tube (obviously a right-wing militiaman way ahead of his time)
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
Savannah, GA USA - Monday, May 29, 2000 at 11:36:57 (MDT
Marjorie - I remember your dad, "Chollie" as my dad called him, and was very sad to learn of his passing. I recall that when my dad, Hal Hochvert, gave up editorship of the Bell park News, your dad took over and did a fine job. We were original Bell Parkers too, and my mom (Florence) and dad are still there in our 5-duplex on JFK circle.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 14:00:10 (MDT
That was the Westbury Drive-In that Peri & my sister fondly remember. Great memories of my folks loading the 3 of us in the car for a night out! First the playground, then a trip to the snackbar, & into the car in our pjs with our pillows! In later years, I went on a few dates there (make-out & movies!), & then there were the crazy nights when we laoded into this guys van & all hid under blankets to see how many we could smuggle in without paying! (how bad we were!) We took our kids there when they were little & they were no where near as impressed by the outing as we thought they would be!
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 11:37:37 (MDT
"Time to turn.....so you won't burn ! "
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 11:04:41 (MDT
Dene . . . Glad to see that you are alive and well, even if just lurking. Thanks for the info about WABC on Monday. It'll be a welcome change from 'smooth jazz' . . . David . . . When you come to NY a month from now, I'm sure you make a beeline straight down the Meadowbrook to West End II! The good news is that you won't have to leave by 8 AM. There are no lines at the toll booths anymore - many people have annual Empire passes now. The bad news is that it costs $7 now. One thing New York ain't and that is cheap!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 08:21:04 (MDT
I wish I could still receive the afternoon broadcast of the "Ingram Flingram". It's getting hot now. and you know what that means......BEACH DAY !!!! Better throw the folding chair in the trunk(and don't forget the baby oil with iodine) and leave real early, Westend 2 will be filling up! Gotta get on the Meadowbrook Pkwy soon. I can hear the Doors 'light my Fire" now. And the 5th dimension 'Stoned Soul Picnic'. Now I hear 'Magic Carpet Ride' and then it's 'Reflections'and 'Bernadette' and on and on all day til it's time to packup and head out to the Southern Pkway and home. Damn, I loved those days.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 20:04:31 (MDT
Peri, I remember going to the drive in, I think it was at Westbury, great rides, and we would get lots of junk food, bring our pillows and switch seats with our parents so we could sit in the front, remeber trying to get the speaker into the window to stay, later on I think we would hear it through our car radios...Great memories.. I think you have been chatting with my sister, Meryl..
Lauren <Laurrun1@aol.com>
Commack, USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 18:47:03 (MDT
Belated thank you to all who had such nice words to say about my father, Charles Lavigne who died 3/15/00. He truly appreciated all the good things about BPG, the whole idea that they were all "cooperators" and had a say in the operation of the place they lived. What a special group of people they must have been. Though I seem to be older than most of the people who post here, (yes I've been lurking)I love to read the memories. Here;s one that I was reminded of when I saw a NYTimes article a few weeks ago: On School holidays my friends (you know who you are!) and I would take the bus & subway to "the city" and get tickets to be in Quiz & talk show audiences. We loved goofing on the action, screaming out "Take the money!! Take the Prize!!" "The city" was just as exciting then as it was to my kids when they discovered the Long Island Railroad. Little did we know that BPG is in the city, Bayside seemed like the suburbs. My mother tlls me that when they moved there, (they were "originals")there were no stores, no other buildings. They sat outside on the folding chairs in the courts and the neighbors would wish there could be a store in the area, just to get milk or have someplace to walk to.
Marjorie Lavigne DeVito <domdevito@compuserve.com>
Port Jefferson , NY USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 17:19:13 (MDT
Don't know why it won't display the icon, but the address for the OLD WABC website (and from there you can click onto CURRENT WABC Programming for Monday) is: www.musicradio77.com. ENJOY!
Dene Hallam <denehallam@aol.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 11:46:44 (MDT
HEY! I've been "lurking" for months, and being the resident broadcaster here...felt like I should tell you about the anuual special programming on WABC-770/Talkradio on this MONDAY, Memorial Day. ALL DAY LONG, from 6AM-12Midnight (except for a break for The Yankees Game) they play old tapes of the 60's WABC, "MusicRadio77"! Their signal STILL goes to about 32 states before sunrise, and after sunset. So tune in! Also, for all of us out-of-towners, you can always listen to WABC on the net. There is even an incredible Website dedicated to the old WABC, and the old WMCA! I've mad it easy to listen , and/or see that site...just click on the icon below! I'm actually in Atlanta this weekend, and have already made stops at Carvel. Dunkin' Donuts...and on to The Palm tonight! Don't forget to REMEMBER those Vets that gave their lives for us!!
Dene Hallam <denehallam@aol.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 11:42:52 (MDT
Hey Mitch . . It's Saturday and I'm feeling lucky! My wife says let's go out for White Castle tonite . . So I says (and I know you'll be proud of me) "Okay honey, but only if we eat after"!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 07:41:03 (MDT
Another old WABC radio memory was hearing the weather given as "77 WABCDegrees".
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 03:39:34 (MDT
speaking of the old days...the music...the adolescent hormones (were we?)...anyway, how many guys out there would rush home from school or other extracurricular activities to see annette funicello grow and develop from a skinny preteen to a voluptuous and sensuous young woman...IF YOU HAVE A THIN SKIN DO NOT READ FURTHER. i know that i'm not the only guy from bayside who fantasized (and got blisters) watching her as one of the mousketeers. come on guys. fess-up!
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 01:31:22 (MDT
Any of your parents put u in pjs and in the car and take u to the 110 drive in...great rides there!!!my folks would wait and wait for me to fall asleep (what did they want to do i wonder???) my brothers would fall asleep but i wouldnt fall asleep til we were on the road home...i remember seeing flubber there but dont remember what else
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 16:32:55 (MDT
Jane Rock and i used to play the radio contests on WCBS..they would ask for a caller from a certain boro or nassau or suffolk (or conn or nj..etc. etc) and if u were the numbered caller from that area you won...we had a list of peoples names from all areas so we could call no matter what area they asked for...we won LOTS of stuff...we won a trip to the canary islands, a cruise and money and lots of other stuff...we would pay people 50 bux to use their name if we won a trip but they got nothing if we won something smaller...what a racket!!!we even went to the radio station and got to meet jack spector...anyone remember him???he asked for our phone #s and the 2 dumb 16 year olds that we were gave it to him...he called my house and my father answered and said who is this jack that sounds like an old man calling u...lol
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 16:24:01 (MDT
Mitch . . . You will be happy to know that the Apollo Theatre is alive and well (after it's most recent renovation). My wife and I went to a gospel show there a month ago. Also the only white people in the audience. Also felt secure inside the theatre. We were up in the balcony and let me tell you the place shook when everyone got up to raise their hands and stomp their feet. What a refreshing difference when those in the audience truly become part of the show . . . The big difference from your memory is that we took a hired car to and from - a necessary precaution when you are not 21 anymore!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 15:09:06 (MDT
FRANCINE (and other interested parties)...over the past year my local pbs tv station has run (and rerun) a fund raising promotion with the original members of dozens of old "doo wop" groups...it was incred- ible. i mean these guys are old, like me...the woman...all black...all way around 200 pounds, but they can still sing...it goes on for hours...if you catch the fund raiser on your local pbs station enjoy it... these things usually "tour" the pbs stations around the country on video tape.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 14:18:48 (MDT
I have enjoyed hearing about our favorites in Radio.My first desired birthday present was a transistor radio and I was obsessed.Murry the K was a fav but the jocks on WABC were the best.I miss hearing hit singles one after another.I miss the top 40, the 45 (rpm).I miss the great 3 minute songs with powerful hooks and catchy titles.I miss the WABC jingle which still rings in my head.I miss Cousin Brucie but especially Dan Ingram. Remember , we were the generation that saw the birth of Hi Fi and FM. Radio Rules!!
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 13:34:15 (MDT
Mitch - I think I'll pass on the aging Italian bubble gum rock studs. I feel about them the way Peri feels about early bird specials. However, if you hear of any of those greats from the Apollo doing a circuit (that is if they are still alive let me know. I do owe a great deal to a group of Italian bubble gum rock studs (IBGRS) though. If you recall a group named the Young Rascals, Eddie Brigati and his brother Davie were the ones who got me to Kauai, where I fell in love with Hawaii and changed my life forever for better. Perhaps that story is best left to the open forum if anyone is intersted. And roni- I do remember now that you and Diane Kaufman were the ones madly dancing in the aisles in the Brooklyn Paramount while the rest of us enjoyed the show from our seats trying not to get noticed by the scary kids around us. Dance on!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 11:00:54 (MDT
FRANCINE & RONI...ah yes, the brooklyn paramount...but, for the real roots of r & r (which in negro jargon meant sex) i used to go (alone) to harlem to the apollo theater to see the likes of big mabel, bo diddley, fats domino, you name them, they were there...i'd be the only white person in the audience and i always felt safe inside the theater...of course, then i would have to leave the theater and skulk in the shadows to the subway station at 125th and amesterdam (i think that's where it was), take 2 or 3 subway trains and 2 buses...and still walk from springfield and 69th ave to 230th st... because the q-75 didn't run all nite. during j.h.s and h.s. the music that i wrote tended to have the confused influence of the black r & rers, the old time blues composers, and the 'bubble-gum' style of the italian studs all the girls loved (frankie avalon, fabian, bobby rydell)...incidentally, for those who long for the old days, frankie, fabian, and bobby do a recurring show in las vegas that is called, 'the golden boys of rock & roll.' frankie still has it in the looks and talent department, fabian looks like ed sullivan and bobby got fat and lost most of his great voice...although he still has that wonderul smile and personality. it's great fun if you ever get a chance to see it.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 10:20:05 (MDT
Mitch, I too remember Jocko, as I used to listen to his show. What great memories.
Roni Friedberg Nassberg <Ronika1@aol.com>
Scottsdale, az USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 10:14:02 (MDT
Oh, by the way it's a Uniroyal tire...oops left that word out.
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 09:39:35 (MDT
Anyone remember the giant Uniroyal that was a ferris wheel at the NY '64 World's Fair? It now resides in Romulus, Michigan alongside I-94 not too far from Detroit Metro. Can you believe someone schlepped that thing 700 miles? They even have postcards of it here. That World's Fair holds some great teenage memories for me. Cutting my last class at Francis Lewis and spending the rest of the day at the Fair was a great day, Ford & GM with their rides into the the Future;(no flying cars yet!) Dupont had a great science show and exciting movie; GE had the revolving stage with the world's progress of the 20th century and their prediction of the future prediction for the future, the great food at Chun King, the international exhibits let you "visit" strange and faraway places. Have a happy aaand safe Memorial day celebration!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 09:37:59 (MDT
Dear Francine, I surely do remember the Brooklyn Paramount, I was the one dancing in the ailes, when we were carted out of the auditorium. Whenever they show that scene in old movies, I go crazy, I definitely can relate to it.
Roni Friedberg Nassberg <Ronika1@aol.com>
Scottsdale, az USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 09:13:12 (MDT
I suppose that to acheive closure on this topic (and experience the necessary catharsis) I must attend to the ultimate pyrotechnics, FIREWORKS ! I think the fact that they were illegal made them more compelling than their flash and boom , but every kid I knew was drawn to them.I guess the thrill begins with holding an actual firecracker you found laying on the ground that failed to go off.How could something so small pack so much of a punch.The move up from sparklers was a rite of passage and having watched the older kids, one knew that the progression to higher levels of explosives held much excitement .Buying the first pack of "Crackers" was the first step in this area of corruption.You needed an older kid, you needed the money.Unwrapping the shiny red paper was a thrill and seeing that marvel of oriental packaging, all twenty of these interlaced silver fuses, the brightly printed cylinders dangeling ,the smell of gunpowder, made my hands shake.I untangled the corner one, examining the red printed wrapper , realizing the latent power I held in my hand.We all heard tales of the kid who had a finger blown off or lost an eye which increased the feeling of danger and the sense of responsibility involved.Lighting a firecracker was not something you did alone.You needed witnesses and at least one person who would stand far enough away that if everyone else blew up they could run and get somebody's mom.(this was before 911) There was such terror in lighting the fuse, the arm far outstretched , the pack of matches far enough away to prevent secondary explosions.I can still hear the sizzle and the resulting CRACK which followed.Remember the first one which failed to go off ? The team of detonation experts inching slowly towards the dud...watching....waiting.....BANG !!!! Slow fuse.. "You coulda lost an eye, Baker "
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 08:35:46 (MDT
Francine . . . You are correct. The giant duck was on the way to Montauk, not the north fork. But alas, it's time has come. Last year it was taken down. Whatever replaced it, I am sure cannot match up to the personality of the giant duck!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 06:37:33 (MDT
I have NO idea how that quadruple post happened. Anyone have the power to heal machines?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:23:55 (MDT
Ed - this qualifies for the memories guestbook even though it's in response to your giant duck post on the open forum. I remember that duck, and I'm glad to hear it's still there. Another roadside attraction on the way to Montauk Point. My dad and I and Joe Spacese (Bldg. 10, around the corner from us, upstairs 6) went out there and picked tens of gallons of little black snails from the rocks. We left home in the dark and got home in the dark. I think I was about 10. The next day my dad started cooking the snails in this garlic tomato sauce that smelled up the whole neighborhood. By lunchtime there were 50+ people around our front steps and he was dishing it out to all comers. Yum, what a great time, a great memory and a great taste, too! Roni, please post those great photos you sent me in the 50s album. So what if we look goofy...we're beyond vanity by now, aren't we?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:22:19 (MDT
Ed - this qualifies for the memories guestbook even though it's in response to your giant duck post on the open forum. I remember that duck, and I'm glad to hear it's still there. Another roadside attraction on the way to Montauk Point. My dad and I and Joe Spacese (Bldg. 10, around the corner from us, upstairs 6) went out there and picked tens of gallons of little black snails from the rocks. We left home in the dark and got home in the dark. I think was about 10. The next day my dad started cooking the snails in this garlic tomato sauce that smelled up the whole neighborhood. By lunchtime there were 50+ people around our front steps and he was dishing it out to all comers. Yum, what a great time, a great memory and a great taste, too! Roni, please post those great photos you sent me in the 50s album. So what if we look goofy...we're beyond vanity by now, aren't we?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:21:48 (MDT
Ed - this qualifies for the memories guestbook even though it's in response to your giant duck post on the open forum. I remember that duck, and I'm glad to hear it's still there. Another roadside attraction on the way to Montauk Point. My dad and I Joe Spacese (Bldg. 10, around the corner from us, upstairs 6) went out there and picked tens of gallons of little black snails from the rocks. We left home in the dark and got home in the dark. I think was about 10. The next day my dad started cooking the snails in this garlic tomato sauce that smelled up the whole neighborhood. By lunchtime there were 50+ people around our front steps and he was dishing it out to all comers. Yum, what a great time, a great memory and a great taste, too!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:20:02 (MDT
Ed - this qualifies for the memories guestbook eventhough t's in response to your giant duck post. I remember that duck, and I'm glad to hear it's still there, another roadside attraction on the way to Montauk Point. My dad and I Jow Spacese (Bldg. 10, around the corner from us, upstairs 6) went out there and picks tens of gallons of little black snails from the rocks. we left in the dark and got home in the dark. I think was about 10. the next morning my dad started cooking the snails in this garlic tomato sauce that smelled up the whole neighborhood. By lunchtime there were 50 people around our front steps and he was dishing it out to all comers. yum, what a great time, great memory and a great taste, too!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:17:11 (MDT
Mitch - I sure do remember Jocko. My cousin Cass (actual name Harvey Cohn, but how mundane) used to listen to him all the time, and I got turned on to the REAL roots of rock n' roll that way. Didn't stop me and my friends from getting on the bus and subway at 4 am to get in line at the Brooklyn Paramount for Alan Freed's rock n' roll shows. (Roni, if you're lurking, do you remember this)? We screamed for hours in the audience surrounded by rock girls, colored girls (this way the 1950s) and hitter types, and then tried to sneak into the Turf Bar next door when Gus of Gus and the DelVikings ("Come go With Me") went in. This huge, hairy bouncer threw us out very politely and we got home jus before dark, happy to see good old uneventful BPG.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 01:10:19 (MDT
Sorry about the spelling errors below. It is very late!
Jeff W. <jweissle@optonline.net>
Dix Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 00:10:52 (MDT
Webmaster: I am not a "regular", bot other members of my family vivist quite often. I grew up in Bayside, attended the same schools as most of the people at the totc. Graduated Cardozo in 74. I have been a worldwide IT consultant for over 20 years and specialize in e-commerce. Please email me and we can discuss (no charge!) how to keep this site alive without limiting participation which is something to be encouraged. In fact it is quite unethical (unlawful?) to discriminate someone from visiting a site based on any factor including usage. Something to think about. Anyway...the site has brought back some memories and I will sleep a bit happier tonight. Best of luck and regards to all.
Jeff W. <jweissle@optonline.net>
Dix Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 26, 2000 at 00:09:30 (MDT
Steven. Those matches didn't just facinate boys. Elyse Arnow and I would bring boxes of them to the playground right in back of Jack Rubin's house, and sit on the ground by the barrels just light them over and over and staring at the flames. Lots of sublimating I think.... We were 12, not much else to do with that energy then...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 23:13:32 (MDT
I forgot to mention....The Wolfman was also a regular on "The Midnight Special" in NBC Fri nights in the 70's. Can it be almost 30 years since we saw him in American Grafitti?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 22:14:43 (MDT
Ed, on a good night I could get a great station from Motown!The farthest west I could go was St. Louis. It was really neat to lay in my bed with the little earphone and ever so slowly roll the dial till I found some distant station. I can get San Fran here pretty well and Texas and Oklahoma. LA sounds really clear. But alas, no Cousin Brucie.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 22:11:47 (MDT
And while we're om the subject of fire...(thoughts are associative, aren't they?) here's one for you.STRIKE ANYWHERE MATCHES.I had so much fun with these almost magical thingies.They looked so cute nestled in that slide out box.. rough wooden sticks , their bright red heads topped with the little dot of white.You could do a long sweeping strike on the sidewalk or put the head alongside the box ( or maybe a large bolder)and flick them into the air spinning as they burst into flame.Needless to say they were indespendible at Alley Pond to create the required bonfire.I suppose it was a good thing when they started to control their distribution but for me there was a mystique about them in a utilitarian sort of way.No pyromaniac jokes please.If you guys deny you went through this stage you are lying !
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 21:55:14 (MDT
Ed - I don't know what "chicken fights" you're talking about - I must've lived had a different childhood than you had. You must have a different girl in mind.
Jackie Coster Wieczkowski <jackiew48@yahoo.com>
Massapequa, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 21:03:14 (MDT
ED...i think it was you who posted something on the 'open forum' about "american grafitti." the wolfman was actually in that movie.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 19:57:52 (MDT
And there was howlin' Wolfman Jack! I remember with AM radio, on a cloudy night the signals would come in much better (bouncing off the clouds). If you turned the dial REAL slowly, you could pick up stations from the midwest!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 18:12:56 (MDT
I know, I know . . . The closest thing we had to polo matches back in the 'hood were Jackie Coster's chicken fights!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 18:07:45 (MDT
DAVID...back to the radio...of course there was the king of r&r, alan freed...but, my all time favorite was on late saturday nites, broadcasting from somewhere in new jersey, to a target african american (then known as negro) audience. his name was jocko...his station was W-A-D-O Radio. his 2 main sponsors were dixie peach hair pomade and a malt liquor (was it colt 45?). anyway, you could always here the real versions of the songs that whitey covered. do you, or any others remember jocko? his rap was, "E TO THE OCK---O THIS IS JOCK AND I'M BACK ON THE SCENE WITH MY RECORD MACHINE SAYING OO-POPA-DOO, A-HOW DO YA' DO." don't you love it?
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 18:05:43 (MDT
Ed I agree. We think of it as a "southern entertainment".But you've got to admit,under the right situation, it certainly made for an unusual date. Polo eh? I dont even wear it on my shirt. lol
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 16:18:40 (MDT
And last year I went to the polo matches in the Hamptons! . . From the sublime to the ridiculous!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 15:23:31 (MDT
David . . . When I spent weekends as a kid out at Mattituck (now I'm cross-posting), we used to go to Riverhead Raceway to watch the stock cars. It was like being in a different world! The only thing I can compare it to is the movie 'American Graffiti'. Stock car racing in the mud is about as far away from Bell Park as one can get and still be on this planet!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 15:18:06 (MDT
Alan, the closest I ever got to working on my Chevy was going out to Freeport to the Stock car races ......to watch those type guys that worked on their cars race them. But the most fun, from my standpoint was the Demolition Derby.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 14:34:44 (MDT
Harris: your reference to Funny Cars reminds me of the fact that Bell Park did not seem to have any "Rock" types who would spend hours upon hours working on their cars. I remember going to a friend's house on 207th Street just off the LIE and seeing a group of guys constantly working on an old Chevy.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 13:48:13 (MDT
Sunday.......SUNDAY!!!!!!!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 13:14:33 (MDT
Thinking of those old radio spiels... How about Raceway Park! "Thousands of funny cars.. and don't forget to see the Hemi under Glass"
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 12:46:26 (MDT
I heard a rumor that there is a JHS 74 reunion of some sorts planned for July 29th.... If anybody knows ANYTHING about it, please fill us in ..... THANKS !!! Alan
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 12:06:36 (MDT
Alan.......regarding your post on the Open Forum.....Thank You! For the life of me, I have tried to remember that store.....Dennisons in NJ. I feel so much better now. I,m sure there were thousands of guys who yearned to check that place out but never did.I met people who actually had gone there at night. They said it wasnt much. But they had a hell of an adverising budget. Maybe Mitch could have tried going over there on his dates once in a while, for better luck. lol .....Also advertising late at night on WABC was the famous DeCarlo Land Company...remember them? What were they selling, swamps or what?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 11:54:30 (MDT
I used to have a bow and arrow that I played with in the Lots. I remember "firing away" in all directions long range and way up high.I did make sure no one was in the area. It was a lot of fun.....I woudn't recommend doing it now though.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 11:42:28 (MDT
Steve Baker . . NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! . . . Francine . . I thought you were talking about the seed pod that is hard, shaped like a banana and about 6-8 inches long! Seriously, they come off of trees with huge stickers on them. I had one growing up (the tree that is). We used to throw them like a boomerang.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 08:44:22 (MDT
Pug noses, Polyannas, Poly Noses . . . It's just amazing how many varied dialects sprung up in just those 800 homes spread over four square blocks!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 21:17:03 (MDT
Did anyone ever throw a lit match down the little hole in the metal door frame (just to see what would happen) ?
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 20:55:04 (MDT
The were pug noses OR polyannas
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 18:21:46 (MDT
How cool! We didn't call them Poly Noses, we called them "PUG Noses." Who'd ever think there'd be distinct regional names for those silly green things between the four blocks of BPG, that also changed over a ten year period?
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 17:30:16 (MDT
Randy Stark: Holy Cow!! You remember those hockey games in the basement? What about the movie we went to with Mitch Edelson, when we took the bus and I brought along a bag of popcorn. You grabbed the bag as a joke, it bust, and boy did I get upset. Great to hear from you, and from Steve "the best freakin guitar player in Bell Park" Leighton.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 15:45:07 (MDT
Alan: I think the Poly-Noses were those small green leafs you peeled from the bottom and stuck them on your nose.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 15:27:30 (MDT
I believe that the "pods" were called Poly-Noses .... At least that is what my court called them ... there could be different translstions from court to court .... Who Nu ???
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton
USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 15:08:55 (MDT
Of course....there was a name for those pods but I forget. Frqncine, dont you miss kicking your feet through the piles of dry leaves on the sidewalks....The smell of burning leaves ?....mmmmmmmm.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 14:24:44 (MDT
Does anyone remember the boomerang shaped seed wrappers that came off the trees in BPG and fell or could be sent twirling in the air like a helicoptor? We used to open them, split the seed holder and stick them to our noses. Also, speaking of rain, do you remember the plague of worms that infested all the sidewalks after heavy rains? I can recall someone named Lee Eisenberg gleefully chasing us girls down the block with a wriggling handful. I have NO idea how these odd memories popped up!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 14:12:38 (MDT
Does anyone remember the boomerang shaped seed wrappers that came off the trees in BPG and fell or could be sent twirling in the air like a helicoptor? We used to open them, split the seed holder and stick them to our noses. Also, speaking of rain, do you remember the plague of worms that infested all the sidewalks after heavy rains? I can recall someone named Lee Eisenberg gleefully chasing us girls down the block with a wriggling handful. I have NO idea how these odd memories popped up!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 14:12:37 (MDT
THIS IS GREAT! WHEN IS THE REUNION!
STEVE LEIGHTON <STEVEL123@AOL.COM>
ROSLYN, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 12:00:03 (MDT
THIS IS GREAT! WHEN IS THE REUNION!
STEVE LEIGHTON <STEVEL123@AOL.COM>
ROSLYN, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 12:00:01 (MDT
where have you guys been for the last 30 years
randy stark <randy.stark@painewebber.com>
ft laud, fl USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 11:57:56 (MDT
David...these days we buy all weather tires...never have to change them or store them
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 11:50:42 (MDT
All this rain we've had lately reminds me of walking to 74 past all the 'private' homes. Looked like "Green Mansions". When we walked under low hanging branches, some smartaleck (sp) would pull on the branch, spilling all the water still on the leaves and soaking those under it! I believe they then shouted "still raining"!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 08:28:36 (MDT
Does anyone remember the milk/bread truck that came around during the winter- it was our mom's savior on those snow days!
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Wednesday, May 24, 2000 at 05:25:14 (MDT
Steve Leighton; Don't feel bad. Some people remember you!
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 23:39:34 (MDT
Guess I have not been here in a while, had to type my name and email again. Just stopped buy to catch on the new posts. If thats even possible. It seems some people rember this stuff like it was yesterday. And by the way, Steve Leighton, I remember you.
Jeff Grann <jeffgrann@gte.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 20:06:16 (MDT
DAVE...another snow memory, quite a bit later...i was living in northport at the time...who knows the year, but it had to be before '78 because i moved to l.a. in the fall of '78. anyway, an unpredicted nor' easter hit the metro area at about noon on a friday. by about three there was a ton of ice and snow on the ground, AND it was during the first gas shortage, when we had alternate days...it took me hours to get to fresh meadows, where my passenger and i decided that we had better stop for dinner. we hoped that maybe traffic would lighten-up in a coupla hours and me, with my v.w. bug, would have no problem getting home...well, the traffic didn't lighten-up and we started again...after awhile it was apparent that i wouldn't be able to make it home and i tried getting gas at a coupla of gas stations but, i was an 'odd' and it was an 'even' day (or vice versa). we finally turned around and head- ed to the jamaica l.i.r.r. station, and after many hours i finally made it home. there were no cell phones to report progress in those days. i won't bore you with the rest of the story as to how i got back to my car, but that was a wonderful east coast story...and yes, here in malibu, i can drive a few hours into the local l.a. mountains in the morning and go skiing and then turn around and before sunset go surfing along the malibu pier...life's a beach!
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 18:58:25 (MDT
Ice and snow memories......Peri, I remember that storm(1973,74,75). I was working in Hempstead and it took me forever to get to Jamaica Ave. and Springfield. As I tried to go up the hill towards the GCP underpass, my car would not, could not get any traction at all. After a number of futile attempts, I parked at the Diner and trudged up Springfield in my loafers to my parents place in BPG. That was not fun. But, you can bet if I was still in school at that time, I would be thinking 'what a fun day we had in the snow and ice'. It all depends on your perspective, doesnt it. Mitch, I and a bunch of others are lucky now. We can just run up to the mountains close by and VISIT the snow. That's the best of both worlds. How much are snow tires going for these days? lol
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 18:38:37 (MDT
what an accountant. i can't even add. (an elder moment) actually, i believe that great blizzard was '49 and that would make me 7 years of age at the time (i'll check it with my abacus).
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 17:52:51 (MDT
talk about the blizzards makes me think back even farther than you youngsters out there. i was about 5, 6, or 7 (who can remember that far back), so it had to be '45-'47 living in the bronx...west 179 st... when the great blizzard of that era hit...now that was a blizzard.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 17:49:40 (MDT
Anyone remember the ice storm we had one year...i dont remember when it was but it must have been in the 70's cause we were already living on 218th...it was beautiful..i took some great pics...still have them...also there was another snowstorm one year that was pretty bad...i was already working in manhattan and took the e train to 179th where i usually took the 75 home from but the busses werent running due to the storm...i walked to a friend of my moms in jamaica estates and spent the night
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 17:22:07 (MDT
Wasn't it the blizzard of February 1969 when Mayor Lindsay was pelted with snowballs from angry residents of Fresh Meadows? That was the beginning of the end of his political career, as he went on to lose his re-election bid in November of that year.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 14:01:11 (MDT
Ray: You omitted to mention the little concert at Yasgur's farm...not a bad line-up! Aside from that seeing the Who blowout the Metropolitan Opera House with the 1st rock concert ever there, Tommy, was unbelievable. Last add: Marv Schaffer, Gary Goldman and I see Hendrix in concert at the Fillmore East. We hear about an after hours jam at some club uptown. As we're standing outside the car getting ready to go in a metallic blue corvette convertible screeches into the parking lot. This guy grabs a guitar, leaps out of the car, practically runs us over and goes running into the club. It was Hendrix! The next few hours we watched him jam with Larry Coryell and a few others...it was heaven!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 13:56:28 (MDT
Blizzard of 69-Lindsay was raked over the coals for flying over Queens in helicopter, declaring everything was fine-we were stuck in Stonybrook for 3 days and when we came home we spent 5 hours on Union Tpke from Creedmore to 73rd Ave-until that day I never heard my mom curse!
dave rosenbluth
USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 09:46:40 (MDT
Steven Leighton-I remember you and your brother Robert. You originally lived in our building(31) and then moved to the corner of 68thAvenue and 218th Street. As a kid, I really liked your mother and father, Leigh and Al. I remember thinking that your mother was so pretty. I saw your father several years ago in the Riverside Square Mall in Hackensack, New Jersey. I wanted to reintroduce myself to him, but I thought that he wouldn't remember me. My father Nick Calbi apparently sees your mother in BPG, because he tells me about her practice there. I was getting a haircut in Windsor Barbers on that evening in 1965 when the blackout took place. The electric razors started making very loud noise and then the lights went out. I had to come back two days later to complete the haircut. The other blackout was in 1977, not 1978. I was living on the upper East Side of Manhattan, and the city was gripped by a major heat wave. Living in a tiny studio apartment, it was blistering hot. I had to open the few windows that I had. When I did, you could hear major commotion in the streets, due to a lot of looting, and people just going crazy. This incident is depicted terrifically in the recent movie "Summer of Sam". It was a critical bomb, but just a great movie for those of us who lived that time. I was totally engrossed in my Manhattan lifestyle, and although it was a tough night, overall its a great memory.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 09:41:44 (MDT
I realize we are all getting older but weren't the two big blackouts in November 1965 and the summer of 1977? I was working in San Diego during the summer after my second year in law school and I remember reading about the blackout in the San Diego newspaper, and that would be 1977 not 1978, but maybe I'm losing it too. The snowstorm that clobbered Queens was in February 1969, and Mayor Lindsay was pilloried for ignoring Queens. 1969 was a mayoral election year.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 09:13:00 (MDT
Francine.. Feb./1961 for your blizzard. My brother Donald was to be Bar Mitzvahed at Young Israel that weekend & was.. but very few guests made to Temple. My parents & brother trudged to Temple in waist high snow & took 1/2 hour to go what normally was a 5 minute walk..
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, Ca USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 03:12:08 (MDT
I remember going to STEVE LEIGHTON to buy a black "Les Paul" with my friend Randy Hinderling.
Kevan Schaum <Boyshkin@msn.com>
New Windsor, NY USA - Tuesday, May 23, 2000 at 02:34:42 (MDT
ANYONE REMEMBER ME STEVE LEIGHTON?
STEVE LEIGHTON <STEVEL123@AOL.COM>
ROSLYN , NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 23:06:35 (MDT
ANYONE REMEMBER ME STEVE LEIGHTON?
STEVE LEIGHTON <STEVEL123@AOL.COM>
ROSLYN , NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 23:06:34 (MDT
The blackout of 1966 would have caused another MONSTERS DUE ON MAPLE STREET (Twilight Zone episode) if not for transistor and short wave radios what with all the talk of Russians and aliens. I had been working at KEY FOOD (formally KwikWay) on 73rd. The owner of the store, Sam Crystal, broke out the Shabbas candles and had us selling individual candles at outragous prices to customers lined up at the door thankful they could buy candles. Business 101.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 22:55:45 (MDT
Mark Larosa I just saw your post about Ron Nadolny Did'nt he live on Bell Blvd and his whole family were mortitians ( I hope I spelled that right?) I remember hanging out with him back in the day. Well I said my two cents goota go Alan Lefton keep those E-mails coming.
Jeff Grossman <White_diamond52@yahoo.com>
HOLTSVILLE, NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 21:03:38 (MDT
Oh jeez.... Thought I was posting in the Open forum section. Sorry Larry. I plead jet lag/ temporary insanity...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 20:42:23 (MDT
Paula, this is for you... Just returned a litlle while ago from a week in Bayside. As always, 4 of the 5 of us (Paula being in Port Angeles) met for breakfast. Over omlettes at the Blue Bay, we caught up, discussed evrything from our kids progress, relationships, hormone replacement and general gossip. And as always, it was falling immediatly back into step with the dance that we have been doing with each other for over 35 years. With love and good humor, without judgement, (mostly) andwith deep knowledge and appreciation of each other, we keep doing it year after year. We all have lives very separate from each other, and freindships that are very established and real, but it never seems as easy for me as with these girls from Bayside. I'm writing this because I think that many of you must experience the same shorthand, comfort and acceptance with your old friends, that you may not have with your newer ones... I continue to feel very blessed to have you in my life. My Bayside women friends, who have all either posted or lurked on this site, continue to be incredulous at my facination with it, although they give it to me, as the one always most given to excess... I posed the question to them (Francine,...) about why they don't post anymore, and they all said that they felt that moslty the conversation wasn't relevant to their lives, (too much boy stuff) and they got bored. They hadn't known about the Open Forum section however. Francine, I got to see all of your family photos, and enjoyed my time with your folks. Jerry and Jack, your Mom is a kick. A class act...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 20:40:11 (MDT
Delaney has a big business selling supplies to most NYC schools. They are located at Michael Drive (?) in Syosset. Outside of the NYC, metro area, no one has ever heard of delaney cards. It's a local thing.
Bernice Goldstein <BeJGe@aol.com>
USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 17:43:59 (MDT
The blizzard I remember was in the 60s.(date, anyone?) All I can remember about the approximate date was that John Lindsay was Mayor. I was with a friend and we were coming back to Bayside from the city at about 8 pm. We got off the F train at 179th St and went to the bus stop to wait for the Q75. It was a while, huddled under a store overhang until we realized that NOTHING was moving on the streets and we were standing in a least a foot of snow, with more falling at a great rate. We went back down into the subway, and the token guy told us that there was no surface transportation running in Brooklyn or Queens and that they had just stopped running the subway to & from those boroughs. We were totally stuck! At 9pm we began walking the bus route, and at 2am we got home, encased in snow and happy to have survived. It was truly an excellent adventure.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 17:29:38 (MDT
Not only to I remember the 1978 blackout (and 1978 blizzards), but I remember the 1965 blackout. I was being watched by my grandmother, who, when the lights started to flicker, was broiling lamb chops in the counter-top electric broiler (nobody has those any more), ironing, and watching the Mike Douglas show. When the lights went out, she looked out our back, and saw that the entire building (32) was dark, too. She then alternated between thinking that she caused the blackout by using too much electricity and thinking that the communisits were about to bomb. My sister Leslie (DStein6464@aol.com), who visits this site occasionally, can tell us how she was stuck on a subway train under the East River and how she had to get out of the train and walk on the tracks to safety.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 15:32:53 (MDT
I just want to add a quick posting here for all those who read this page only . . . The TOTC reunion on Saturday, July 15th at Alley Pond Park is open to everyone! Anyone who reads the TOTC and their friends are welcome. No restrictions . . . Also, there will be an article in the BPG News June issue about the reunion. Hopefully, it will also include an invitation to all current residents to take a stroll up to the park and attend. So, yes the reunion will have a BPG focus but please don't take that for NOT WANTED sign! Everyone (and their friends) who has anything in common with the themes discussed on TOTC are welcome!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 15:20:18 (MDT
Alan- It wasn't a Saturday Night unless we stopped off at Yogi's for the Times, News and other stuff. The old neighborhood has changed a bit.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 15:11:35 (MDT
DIANE...i don't remember a '78 blackout, but i was in the subway (under harlem) during the big black- out sometime around '66 or '67, when the entire east coast went out. after about 1/2 hour we began hearing rumors about the entire country being 'out.' i thought that the russians had launched a nuclear attack. after about 1 1/2 hours we were 'herded' along the rail tracks for what seemed like a mile. the city was eerily dark and those 'cold-thoughtless-self-absorbed ny'ers' were out on every street corner with flashlights, directing traffic. the citizens of the city came out back to help each other as never before. i was married, with a child and living in an appartment off of hillside avenue in jamaica estates (adjacent) and between walking and buses made it home in about 5 hours. do you all remember that exactly 9 months later nyc had the largest baby boom in its recorded history.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 14:41:09 (MDT
Thanks for the concert talk. As the weather turns summery out here, if we open our windows wide on weekend evenings, we can hear bits of the Berkeley Greek Theater rock concerts. This reminds me of some of the best summer nights I spent, at the Schaeffer/Dr. Pepper concerts. The ritual was always the same. Rush out of my West Side summer job to the general admission seats. As you weave through the paths to the rink, you are accosted by young men, who whisper under their breaths, offering to sell you every drug imaginable. It adds to the dark appeal of the event. After you take your seat, you spend the next hour trying to find your friends, fielding the occasional frisbees...The first stars are visible halfway into the second set, and the whole sky is lit by the encores. Afterwards, a slow wander through the warm night to the E/F train down 5th Ave., window shopping, street performers, stopover at the Rizzoli bookstore. My most memorable Dr. Pepper concert: Richie Havens. He belted it out for a good two hours, the crowds left, we sat down in the E train, and all the lights in the station went out. The conductor told us to get out of the subway immediately, he didn’t even refund our fare. Back out on 5th Ave, we couldn’t see a single streetlight anywhere. That was the start of the 1978(?) blackout. We never made it back to Queens that night.
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 10:49:40 (MDT
Lenny Shain - Hey old buddy. Great class photo. I have the 1971 yearbook which contains that photo. You forgot to include the names of your classmates - here it is: Top Row - left to right -Steven Zimmerman, Robert Kern, Frnak Rapisardi, Terry Kalter, Howard Powell, Harold Frydman, Steven Goldberg, David Morrell, Alan Kazin, Sanjay Pai, Vincent Belli Middle Row - Leonard Shain(gold), Howard Laser, Carol Piacquadio, Nancy O'Neill, Marla Silberman, Judy Love, Cindy Green, Joan Goldstein, Elissa Yanover, Stewart Douglas. Bottom Row - Robin Binder, Hope Teicher, Jodi Lorintz, Iloyse Morris, Sharon Wein, Mary Ann Zelaya, Debra Leong, Judy Swento, Susan Lutsky, Shari Flomendorf.
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 10:24:10 (MDT
Nyclink.org/health--will give you information on health violations of restaurants only in the 5 boroughs of NY. Oops, Blue Bay Diner is one of them.
Elizabeth Feigelman (Klamson) <Eliz5319@CS.com>
East Meadow, NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 09:03:29 (MDT
Went to my parents house to help them go through their stuff this past Saturday night. Not Fun .. I found my 1961 second grade class photo ( 2-1 ) and my 1965 Mr Slepian (6-1 ) photos. Both in mint condition. I have no scanner yet but will soon. ..... I drove past Pete's Cafe ( Yogi's ) at 10:15 PM and the place was DEAD !!!!! Used to be that on a Saturday night, everyone was waiting for the Sunday Paper, and Bernie and I were buying allot of candy to go with it ( and later years , just hung out and got into trouble ) !!!!! Now, .. there was an old lady waiting for the Don't Walk sign to change .... OYE !!!!! Good Post-Shabbas .... ALAN
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 07:48:32 (MDT
I've been meaning to ask: how come some names show up in red and others in black?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 03:17:39 (MDT
Omigod, Roni! Where did you find those pictures? Is that Sharon Heifetz in the dark dress along the wall at the birthday party? I don't realy remember Elaine. Where are Diane, Sheila, Bonnie, and the rest of the gang now? And how come we haven't heard fom you lately? :o) This site is a rare treasure, and as my husband said after we met Steve Katz at TOTC, and then in person for the first time, these people are like your long lost cousins. It's true, and its truly a virtual community. It stretches across space and exists in time. It's filled with real people who shared the same childhood we had, and who can validate our experiences in ways no one else can. Larry, I'm not sure what you set out to do in creating TOTC, but you have given us back something profoundly important. As Steve Baker said here some time ago, it's ironic that something as isolating as technology created such community.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 03:15:25 (MDT
Anyone remember the Atlantic City Music Festifall, August 1, 2 and 3rd, 1969? It was 2 weeks before Woodstock. Me and my friend Mark were there to see Santana, Creedence Clearwater, Jefferson Airplane, Iron Butterfly, Chambers Brothers and too many more to remember. It was 3 days of great music! Mark W., if you remember the other bands we seen, please post.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Monday, May 22, 2000 at 00:04:12 (MDT
Harold: Didn't we go to the Mountain Christmas week concerts at the Fillmore a couple of years? David: I was at the Simon and Garfunkle show at Forest Hills Tennis stadium too.That was the greatest venue.I also remember seeing the Who at a Murry The K show somewhere on the east side of Manhattan the year it moved from Brooklyn.Wilson Pickett was at that show too.We all knew the Who would smash their instruments at the end of my G-G-Generation but we were all stunnned seeing it.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 23:18:52 (MDT
I just got in touch with Ron Nadolny, anybody remember him besides Anita? (he's in 8-6 picture)
Mark LaRosa
USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 21:45:51 (MDT
Anita's class photo from 1968, 8-3, is now up. Thanks Anita, great seeing you at the Bar Mitzvah too!
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 20:23:15 (MDT
Forgot to mention the cub scouts photo, with Eric Black, Jeff Goldberg (I think its you Goof, double check it for me), and the late Lenny Allen, who also appears in Danny's Bar Mitvah photo. To all of you who sent in photos, thanks.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 20:12:44 (MDT
New Photos Posted! We got Len Shain's 1971 IS74 class in with the class photos; Ronnie Friedberg sent in two, one from her birthday with Francine Hochvert. These are in the "From the 50s" collectoin; and Danny Schochet sent in a few. Danny's dad bought an old fire truck and used to give all the kids a ride around the block. Well, here are some photos from that! We also have a photo from his Bar Mitzvah with Ken Countess (his frist photo here - Kenny I think that is you, double check it), Danny Lou (first photo), Bubs, Alterbaum, myself, Alan Olivenstein (first photo here) and others. Danny's photos are in under the menu item "oldies" from the view photos link up top.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 20:10:24 (MDT
Meryl, I really enjoyed our chance encounter. I know we had a meaningful and heartfelt conversation. Looking foward to seeing you again!
ken aronoff <phonbooth@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 19:58:16 (MDT
Did we actually listen to the music at those concerts or were we just there in body???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 18:30:49 (MDT
Hey meryl, did you give this site to Kathy?? I forgot to ask you before and since I know your on right now adding your two cents worth...
Lauren <Laurrun1@aol.com>
Commack, USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 17:59:44 (MDT
Kenny- i remember those concerts @ Alley Pond- a zillion of us in the dark by the ballfields! Gee- I wonder who that "special" friend was that you were there with recently?! Think I know! :-)
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 17:55:33 (MDT
Gish and Lukow, I agree with the Who show vote...they played for 5 nights at the Garden..each better than the other. We snuck (sneaked?) in all 5 nights. Remember the Pepper/Schaffer music festival in Central Park each summer? What great lineups...Harry Chaipin, Grahm Nash, James Taylor, Hot Tuna, and on... Remeber the free Starship concert in central park? The only Fillmore show I saw was a new band called Yes, followed by Gentle Giant, and King Crimson was the headliner. The Alley Pond Concerts. I took a walk up by the lake last week with a special friend. the park still looks the same. Maybe a bit smaller, or maybe i just wasnt under the influence.
ken aronoff <phonbooth@aol.com>
weston, fl USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 14:11:00 (MDT
i remember the jones beach theatre. the last time i was there i saw cher !!! she was really good back then i thought. i also saw many people at the schaefer concerts in manhattan. i saw elton john, diana ross. i remember it started pouring raining and everyone started running for cover. she sang i think like 4 songs and it was over, but worth it. i hung out on bell and 73rd, i think im a little younger than u guys?? i remember the little clicks on every corner ... or the concerts at alley pond were always fun !! never knew who u were going to (bump) into. lol. i think im going to visit my dad around september sometime, so ill check out the neighborhood.
audrey (rose) sauro <sweetpea5101@aol.com>
boynton beach, FL USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 12:01:44 (MDT
hey harris do you remember Quinn would hit you on the back of your head with his ring if you messed up the type?? better have striaght lines on the busniness cards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
neal caliendo <nhcaliendo@aol.com>
howell, nj USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 10:49:42 (MDT
Jones Beach still holds concerts every summer
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 06:51:53 (MDT
Speaking of warm summer evenings, do you remember the musicals they would do at Jones Beach in the summer? And I don't know if any of you ever went to aquatic shows at the Aquacade at the Worlds Fair Grounds. I remember going to one or two shows and after that whenever I swam I pretended I was Ester Williams. I also remember when they used to open that pool to the public.
Roberta Coster Babinet <babinetics@aol.com>
Boulder, CO USA - Sunday, May 21, 2000 at 06:17:38 (MDT
And while we are on great concerts....how about a warm summer evening listening to Simon and Garfunkel at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. That was a time when concerts werent ridiculously expensive,,you could afford to bring a date AND have a bite to eat.... and you could actually SEE who was singing. I remember, quite well, the magic in the air as we lay down on blankets listening to Barbara Streisand in Central Park. I still have never heard such beauty in music since then. And how about those fun concerts at Jones Beach theater....the cool salt air....rock and roll......and back for a stop at Nathans.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 21:44:15 (MDT
Jeff Klein......you had a BASEMENT ? Wow. lol ...Ellen.......I remember my first 'shop' class....it was Home Economics with Mrs. Miller(a nice lady). She taught me how to make my first dish......cinnamon toast....not fancy but at 10 in the mornig it tastewd pretty good. I think I was the only boy but I had no problem with it.I thought it was fun to eat in class surrounded by all girls.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 21:32:54 (MDT
I didn't grow up in Bell Park. My parents moved into Bell Park after I got married. However, I am looking for a few souls. Cory Wolin, Mona Simms, Amy Camnitz, Sonna Bisom. I do have a few memories of the area, I grew up in Oakland Gardens. Larry's Record Shop I remember well. A couple of guys I dated loved to buy their music there. It sure has changed quite a bit from the good old days...I remember Lamston's too and Oakland Gift.
Barbara Morgenstern <BMorgenste@aol.com>
Shirley, NY USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 19:58:41 (MDT
Meryl...i dated kenny when i was in 10th grade (well our equivalent of dating)i smoked and still smoke newports AND i went to that rolling stones concert...me a friend (i dont remember who) and my brother michael and his girlfriend at that time kathy kirschner...it was GREAT!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 14:15:03 (MDT
Peri- yup, i knew Kenny, Keith & Mike- they were all in my bridal party!!! (along with Andrea Krest & Mindy Friedman!)I will e-mail you...I also hung out on the Joe's side of Springfield- the summer of 9th-10th grade! Those were the days before the Surgeon General's warning & cigarettes cost .50/pack- you either smoked Marlboro, Tarrytown or Newports, but I think 95% of us smoked then & don't now! When I think of what I did then & don't do now....Talking about concerts- funny story- there was a lottery when i was in college for Rolling Stones tix- you could send in a postcard & if they picked yours, you could go to the Garden & buy 4 tix. I sent postcards in with everybody in my family's name, not realizing that the person who actually was picked had to appear @ the Garden in person. Well...they picked my Dad's name & being such a good father, he stood on line for 4 hours to get my tix!
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 14:01:07 (MDT
My most memorabe Fillmore East show; Act 1: McKendrie Spring, followed by a relatively unknown newcomer Elton John, followed by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and brand new band member Neil Young...And now visiting from Beaverton, Oregon here's Gish Geller: Thank you Mr. Lew...Sept. 74, The Who at MSG is up there with the top 3 on my all time. After sneaking in (what a surprise) wearing vendor's uniforms with my bud Madman (Bob Levin), the Who played 3 1/2 hours of incredible R&R. Daltry's long curly hair, and cutting his hand open playing Pete's guitar, Keith's drums flying off the stage, laser lights during Baba O'Reilly at the start of set 2, and most of all the return! After the show finished; lights on...nobody left. 45 minutes later after stomping of feet and lit matches, The Who returned from the hotel via Limo for another hour or so of early non-stop songs....Never saw THAT happen before !!! And now back to Mr. Lewkow: Jan, great topic to sidetrack the boys from baseball. But how long will it last?
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 11:03:55 (MDT
I remember cooking class with Mrs Miller what a great teacher. To bad it did not rub off on me. (Thank god for take out). I aLSO HAD SEWING CLASS was the teachers name Mrs Samuels, plez correct me if I am wrong. Hated that class, but I think We all had to take it.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 10:54:49 (MDT
What about delaney cards...who was delaney anyway?
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 10:48:55 (MDT
Mr. Quinn, yes. I did business cards, and letterhead. He was great. Teaching us how to use that metal type setting thing. His hands were so quick. He could pick letters faster than I could think of how to spell the word. How about Mrs. Rackoff? Anyone remember her. Or Mrs. Vogel? What about Section Sheets. Myself and Billy Faith has so many write ups. I remember being in detention with Maddie Kraft (her sin, chewing gum) and Billy and me (talking in class and being wise guys).
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 10:45:31 (MDT
No Meryl i didnt know them...did u know Kenny or Keith Baldanza or Mike Baccelieri (sp?) i hung out with them for a while...i also hung out on springfield on the Joes Pizza side....there was a definite distinction which side u hung out on and in front of which store...anyone remember that???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 10:41:20 (MDT
... meryl ... you brought back a great memory ... i had print shop in 74, and the absolutely wonderful teacher who taught that clsss was Mr. Quinn ... and, by the way, that was Mr. Ralston's wood shop "feel the grain" of the wood he'd always say ... unfortunately, he wasn't sober very often ... h
Harris Galary <hgalary@aol.com>
Howell, NJ USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 07:57:08 (MDT
I saw something about wood shop in 74- did anyone have printing? What a great class- I remember making business cards & personalized stationary for my mom for a gift! Then I had to take the dreaded sewing class! Made myself an incredibly ugly culotte skirt! (now ladies, you do remember culottes, don't you?)And, I actually wore it once or twice!! My kids have not had anything as much fun as shop in 74 was when they were in middle school- it was Home & Careers & Shop. Peri- I also hung out in the "pit" for a while. Did you know Shelley Heller & Kathy Hendricks? I was a hippie amongst hitters! I also hung out on Springfield Blvd, & @ Daitch Shopwell in Little Neck, by the Park there.( I had to hitch most of the time to get there!!)...Barry G- do you know the whereabouts of Lit or his family? They were my neighbors in Windsor Oaks.
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 07:12:09 (MDT
Oh yes Van Buren 1962 grad.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 06:51:46 (MDT
You are welcome Francine. I remember those girls too. They were pretty intense. I also felt the wrath of parents of girls I dated, due to not living in a private house. I remember the first time I dated someone with a living room and a real dining room. The first basement was really a treat. A private place to be, IN THE HOUSE. Wow. I never had any privacy in my garden apt. and getting to spend time with a girlfriend, not in a car, not up by the big rock, but in the house was truly amazing. The Rocks had there place. Phil Feldman was one I remember, and John Sittilly. The thing was they were really hard core. Ready to fight for no reason. Does anyone remember a guy that drove an XKE to Van Buren. I think his father owned several local HoJo’s. Boy were we all jealousy of him. How about the SAR guys in HS. The best looking girls went for the Fox brothers. What about the guy that drove the pink TBrid to school every day. Very cool. Did anyone ever here the urban legend of Angelo F., that he bit a huge piece of Big Lennys (the 6 ft 6in AV squad guy at Van Buren) ear off? All true. How about the flood on the LIE? You could dive off the railing across from Jerry’s Candy Store in the “river” on the LIE.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 06:50:55 (MDT
Fillmore East: I often went with Alan Perlman, who's Grandfather would drive us over the Williamsburg Bridge in 67-68 maybe. Most memorable was the Jeff Beck group, where Rod Stewart was the lead singer, but with no billing. I think that Lit's grandfather would wait for us at Ratner's and then drive us home. As for Jethro Tull, I seem to recall seeing them for $1 at Queens College.
Barry Goldstein <BarryG@lowest1.com>
Hewlett Harbor, NY USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 06:35:46 (MDT
Jan, Harold- Great post about Fillmore East. I remember not being able to hear for days after hearing Mountain or T-Rex.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, NY USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 06:27:12 (MDT
The Schaeffer Music Festival brings back great memories of some wonderful concerts. Does the Schaeffer Festival still exist? The concerts were in the area of the Wollman Skating Rink in Central Park. Another good venue for concerts was the old tennis stadium in Forest Hills.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Saturday, May 20, 2000 at 00:43:16 (MDT
Joel, finally someone I can relate to era-wise. I was one of your hated JHS 74 SP kids, so that, along with skipping 1st grade (in Brooklyn) made me 2 years younger than my Van Buren class of '59 classmates. I remember the rocks really well. They had long-ish slicked-back hair, blew smoke out their nostrils and had cigarette packs tucked into their rolled up t-shirt sleeves (ala Grease & Fonzie for you young 'uns). These guys were crude, but cute in a goyish semi-dark way. I even dated a rock named Donny Something one time, but chickened out after he told me that if I didn't open my teeth when we kissed, he'd have to knock them out. I was 13, he was 18 and about to go into the army, off to the Korean War, and I believed him. If my parents ever knew I met him at the Springfield stores when I was supposed to be at the movies with my best friends Doris and Roni, they’d have killed me! (Dad, if you’re reading this, better you didn’t know the half of it then). To me, the really dangerous ones in that crowd were the girls. You know, the ones in tight pink or baby blue cardigans buttoned down the back? You took your life in your hands if you went into the bathroom while they were there smoking & teasing & spraying their hair and applying yet another coat of mascara on their tarantula eyes and Max factor's concealer stick on their zits. Hard to understand the words through the constant chewing of gum, but the threat was loud and clear: this is our bathroom, use it at your peril, and get used to the verbal abuse or it will get physical. Ah, the good old days. My fondest memories of VBHS were getting hold of the GO (Government Organization) advisor's signature stamp and a couple of pads of passes at the beginning of my junior year. My friends and I hardly ever went to class after lunch that year. Instead we met our boyfriends in Steve Stein's basement, a couple blocks from school, and danced to Johnny Mathis records and made out till we had to leave to catch the bus. My boyfriend was Billy Rubinstein, from Surrey Estates, and his mother hated me because, well, I never really found out why, but I always thought it was because we didn't live in a private home. I'd never trade my Bell Park memories for growing up in a private home now, but I might have then. Thanks, Joel, for sparking this reverie. :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 21:42:27 (MDT
Fillmore East: I remember seeing Mountain on New Year's Eve two years in a row, but seeing Jethro Tull with Ian Anderson at the Schaffer Music Festival was fantastic. Do they still tour? Recently had the opportunity to see Crosby, Stills and Nash in West Palm Beach and Eric Clapton in Ft. Lauderdale. Seems like legends from our past just keep on rockin'.
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 20:28:06 (MDT
I remember there were the hitters (and hitter chicks) and the hippies...u were one or the other or u were nothing....i hung out at the pit in douglaston (across from korvettes) for awhile with the hitters but later returned to springfield with the hippies and of course there were the days of the big rock...who didnt spend some time at the big rock...i wonder if the people who live in the house on that site have any clue about all the things that went on there...if rocks could talk!!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 18:53:49 (MDT
Maltz...is that as in richard maltz...that name rings a bell...werent we in some classes together???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 18:51:31 (MDT
Anita, great pictures!
Maltz
USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 18:50:03 (MDT
Thank you Thank you Jan - A different topic. I never went to any concerts but this is a breath of freash air. I enjoyed going to Radio City and seeing shows there. Ok girls now its our turn.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 16:41:44 (MDT
Filmore East....Coming home on the #7 train to the Q27 bus. What was your favorite concert? Did we all do this together? Mine was...(opening group) Santana...next (was a replacement for Savoy Brown Blues Band)....Jethro Tull....Main act was Blood, Sweat and Tears (without David Clayton Thomas). The absolute best!! Saul...were you there?
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , NY USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 16:13:50 (MDT
I believe the shingle launching rubberband device was called a 'carp' or 'karp' gun. I used a long 24" piece of wood, shaped like a rifle stock with shoulder rest (I was blessed to have a father who was a cabinet-maker with a fully equipped woodworking shop in my basement). Pulling back the elastic band (usually made from a tire innertube) the shingle projectile would fly . Unfortunately, the flight path was unpredictable and sometimes you shot your friends accidentally. Concerning the pea-shooters, I devised a semi-automatic (probably illegal by today's strict gun-control mania) by glueing a vertical straw to my horizontal pea-shooter barrel, filling the clip with peas, and could spray the enemy at will. I guess I was destined to become an engineer (which I did).
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
Savannah, GA USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 15:50:11 (MDT
Now that we are on a baseball theme, it occurs to me that the San Francisco Giants play in Pacific Bell Park. Would the nearby apartment complex be known as Pacific Bell Park Gardens?
Dave Levin <vulcan2@mytownonline.com>
Evansville, IN USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 14:23:31 (MDT
Joel, you could probably relate to the Billy Joel song, .....
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 14:10:18 (MDT
Alan.....and the teased hair......the REALLY teased hair that you could easily see through.Some guys wore "pompadours" so high that they would spend more time fussing with their hair than the girls. And some guys wore the tight SHARKSKIN suits with the velvet collars. I fyou go look at your old yearbook photos, you can pickem out!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 14:08:08 (MDT
I remember calling the Fonzies.... "Hitters" ...... the girls they hung around with were called "Hitter Chicks" ... Good Shabbas !!!!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 13:42:20 (MDT
"Rocks" was definitely a term used during my brother's era. It seemed to fit better than "hoods" or "greasers". I never refer to them because I don't like to think about them.....
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 13:16:09 (MDT
Also Joel, Fonzie was an exact replica of the "Rocks".With the Black pants above the ankle, white sox, cigarettes dangling....they were a caricature of themselves though they didnt know it. I would actually shake my head and silently giggle to myself when I saw them.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 13:03:15 (MDT
Hi Joel......the correct spelling was Mr. 'Wroldson'. I had a canoe-shaped tie rack, made from "Phillipine Mahogany and white pine for many many years. The mahogany lamp graced my little desk for a long time too. Also....You really jogged my memory about my peashooter. I remember buying pinto? beans from the supermarket for ammunition. And I totally forgot peeling off the asphalt shingles from the garage roof to use with those rubberband guns..... A forgotton blast from the past.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 12:57:09 (MDT
Funny no one mentions the “rocks” that hung out in front of Yogi’s on 73rd. You had to walk around them. Or the cab drivers around the corner. Or the fights we had in back of PS 46. Or the tuff guys and girls in JHS 74, in class 7-11 and 7-12 that took mostly shop classes. I as “someone with potential” by horrible grades, I ended up in 7-9 or maybe it was 7-11. It was wonderful knowing just how dumb you were by your grade number. (hated those SP kids) However the guys I hung out with, well, not hung out, went to class with, were the tuff guys of JHS 74. The Fonzies of the 1950’s. I remember Mr. Olsen the wood shop teacher, spending lots of time in the back room and my first crystal radio. Do you remember the flagpole sitter? Asess up? I remember all the fathers sitting around in what were called a Cabana Sets? Everyone smoking on the stoop. I remember ripping shingles off the garage roof to cut into little squares for my rubber band gun. Having a pea shooter and bags filled with chalk dust to slam people with on Halloween. I remember making out in the laundry room. Walter the window washer. Drag racing on the new Clearview Expressway or on Union, going to dances at Hillside Jewish Center and bike riding to Oakland Lake. Van Buren 1963
Joel Fried <cuteco@aol.com>
CT USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 12:25:39 (MDT
I must have missed Alan Sperling's remark. I definitely would have deferred to his Bill Shea knowlege, as I had no idea what Mr. Shea did!!
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 09:07:19 (MDT
Sorry Jerry, but Alan Sperling is correct about Bill Shea. He was a prominent lawyer with much political influence and was considered the prime mover and shaker responsible for bringing National League baseball back to NY, hence Shea Stadium.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 09:05:37 (MDT
Eddie Greenberg....thanks, but I'm not ready for that yet.
Howie Rose <BACH267@aol.com>
Woodbury, NY USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 08:01:24 (MDT
Paul Roth . . . Your guess is as good as mine! However, I went to the source and my Dad says that Bell Park Gardens is the name given by Commissioner Stichman for no apparant reason (maybe yours?) . . After all, there is a Bell Park Manor and Terrace (also named by Commissioner Stichman). And since Commissioner Stichman has passed away, this too shall remain a mystery for the ages!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 07:50:58 (MDT
The BPG Credit Union is largely responsible for much of what I have today. It was a great, low cost source for car loans in my earlier years. When I started my business from the dirt in 1985, I was underfinanced and dead broke. The availability of funds from the Credit Union helped keep me going initially. At that time, no bank would consider a loan. Thanks to my parent's shares and Sam Weiner's great understanding, I was able to move my business and life forward. Sam has been a great friend to my family, and I think, many people from Bell Park.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 07:09:24 (MDT
Bill Shea was a founding partner in the New York law firm of Shea Gould. I beleive he was instrumental in returning national league baseball to NY.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 06:02:07 (MDT
Any one remember when the Yankees invaded Shea for a couple of years? Baseball in Queens almost every day for 2 summers. Didn't Elliot Maddox rip up his knee in the out feild when he tripped over a sprinkler.
Len Shain <LenardShain@hotmail.com>
Sunrise, FL USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 05:25:43 (MDT
What is it with u guys????u cant get away from baseball on either page this or the open forum...im with francine..im outta here....borrrrrrrrring...see ya at the reunion but not at the baseball field!!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 05:18:55 (MDT
Thank you Paul now I will have a good day.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 04:44:38 (MDT
Now wait a minute, this is getting confusing. Jerry says he may be wrong about Bill Shea in a Memories Guestbook posting, and Ray replies in the Open Forum that Jerry hasn't been wrong since appearing on It's Academic. LARRY...HELP!!!!!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Friday, May 19, 2000 at 02:25:21 (MDT
Dave Levin--Wasn't Bill Shea the prime mover behind getting the WOrld's Fair to reside in NYC. I thought he was some bigshot architect, but I could be wrong.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 23:19:10 (MDT
Didn't we have this discussion about ten pages back about the Horace Clarke Yankees of the mid-60s. Forgetaboutit!! Those days are gone, and you Yankee haters will simply have to deal with the fact that the Yankees over the past five years or so are the classiest and most professional team in baseball. They truly play the game the way it is supposed to be played, no ego, no superstars strutting their stuff, just solid fundamentals.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 23:04:03 (MDT
Ed--First of all I want to apologize for my sarcasm about the Bambino, I had Bell Park on the brain and you were talking about the dedication of Alley Pond Park. I should know better than to question the TOTC's resident historian. Of course the Babe was alive. I did look it up in Robert Caro's book about Robert Moses. The event happened in the 1930's, sometime after 1934 is the closest I could pin it down. Do you know who threw the pitch to the Bambino? The true story however is that he did not hit it from diamond to diamond, but alas hit a weak infield pop up near second base.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 23:00:44 (MDT
To Ellen Mendola (Shulman): My best guess is that the Bell Park Gardens name was conceived from: BELL for Bell Blvd, PARK due to our proximity to Alley Pond Park, and GARDENS because we are a garden apartment development, hence the name of BELL PARK GARDENS. TO David Krizman, the Credit Union is still located in Bldg 21 and is open on Thursday nite only. Very few persons presently utilize their services. The same people who have been running the Credit Union continue to do so. Actually the shareholders owe Sam Wiener,Max Lincer, Tony Zollo, Elliot Roberts and the late Murray Dulberg a great big thank you for assisting Bell Parkers for many years. There were probably others but these names readily come to mind.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 22:14:15 (MDT
A few months ago there was a discussion on these pages as to who Horace Harding was. There was speculation but no definite knowledge. I finally tracked him down. He was a banker and railroad director, a man of great influence who in the 1920's convinced the state of New York to build the roads later known as the Northern State Parkway and Horace Harding Boulevard, the predecessor of the Long Island Expressway. Here is a question that many of you baseball fans can't answer: Who is the Shea of Shea Stadium fame?
Dave Levin <vulcan2@mytownonline.com>
Evansville, IN USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 22:06:00 (MDT
Ellen / Ed - There is Bell Blvd, Alexander Graham Bell School and Bell Park Gardens. Coincidence? What about the Liberty Bell? Wasn't the Liberty Bell originally located in Alley Pond park? Let's see what Ed's dad has to say. o:)
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 21:20:40 (MDT
Ellen . . . The funny thing is I know all this esoteric B.S. about Babe Ruth hitting a ball out of Alley Pond Park, but I don't know the answer to your simple question . . . I'll have to ask my Dad and get back to you. Okay?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 20:23:39 (MDT
Hey Mitch hows that?
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 19:37:52 (MDT
I want to know where the name Bell Park Gardens came from.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 19:36:35 (MDT
ELLEN...get talking!
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 19:16:00 (MDT
Thank you David your a smart man. Maybe now we can talk about something us girls would like.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman)
West hempstead, Ny USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 18:54:00 (MDT
GUYS.....I dont want to be a party pooper....I love chatting these sport memories. I have received back more of those moments than I could possibly remember. But, being one of the guilty parties, I'd like to call for a temporary moratorium on the sports chat. Let's give everyone else the space and time they enjoyed before this got a little out of hand.If you look back at the posts here and on the open forum, it Does look a little like an ESPN chat room........and in all fairness we are being discourteous to non-fans. This just my opinion and I can understand the Francine's frustration. Why cant we all be friends ? Let's give others a break.Think about it. I just needed to say that. :-)
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 17:32:46 (MDT
To Howie Rose: How about returning to Wfan now that they got rif of that God awful Salsberg. I still believe you and Francesa elevate that station to a level that no one else can come close to
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 17:20:37 (MDT
BRIAN...you may dream of ralph houk...i dream of the casey stengel years...what was it 9 pennants in 10 years and how many world seriers?
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 16:31:07 (MDT
in a feeble attempt to be mainstream again.........I remember making deposits for my parents at night at the BPG credit union, in a small basement. It was always going on a Thursday? night.I think it was only open at night, or so it seemed to me. Boy, was it crowded. Is it still going strong?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 16:28:42 (MDT
I'm ready to start the "Bring Back Ralph Houk Fan Club" because that's when the Yankees played the way I like it. Horace Clarke, Celerino Sanchez. Those were the days. Anyone want to join?
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 16:08:29 (MDT
Big Apple.......was that on Springfield Blvd. .....at the place where I saw a big drugstore a number of years ago? I havent heard that name in 25 years, easy.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 15:25:45 (MDT
Circa 1980 I played touch football in Central Park one Sunday morning. Jim Bouton was part of the choose up of sides. What a nice guy! . . Afterwards, he asked if anyone wanted to catch him (he brought the baseball gloves). Yours truly volunteered . . . On the occasional pitch, he could still 'bring it'.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 13:26:17 (MDT
"Ball Four"......I get a good laugh just thinking of that book. Jim Bouton was hysterical even in his short stint as sportscaster at WCBS in the 70's.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 13:18:47 (MDT
Ho-hum. Wake me if this rabid sports thing is ever over, guys.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 11:42:25 (MDT
I might as well join the list of former Big Apple employees, who are in profusion here. I pushed carts at first.. in the rain..snow..whatever. Actually not a bad post, because of tips made, helping unload the ladies groceries into their cars. I then moved to frozen foods.. wherein my hands became immune to the cold and I did not wear gloves for one NY Winter. Special memories are of unloading shipments in the basement, as they came down the conveyer belt, with its winding curves of metal rollers. The muck would get so thick down there during the rain, I destroyed a really nice pair of workboots. Also remember one of those big metal staples on a box going right through one of my fingers. If not for this site, I may have never thought about such a luxurious period in my life again.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 11:32:34 (MDT
You might be right-either way it's a great line!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 10:27:03 (MDT
Actually Dave, I thought it was Greg Goosen, the ex-Met who said the quote from Ball FOur. Man , I must sound really disagreeable lately!!!
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 10:13:59 (MDT
I thought Mcauliffe was a second baseman-also Stanley was the starting centerfielder and was moved by Mayo Smith late in 68 to short because Oyler couldn't hit his weight. Great quote in Ball Four by Ray Oyler when in the team bus on the way to ballpark he saw a building with a sign that said, "Erected in 1918" to which he replied, "Wow that's a really long erection". i loved that book.
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 10:04:51 (MDT
Mr Polen--Oyler came up after McAuliffe and probably supplanted him as the SS. I'm pretty sure, anyway. Peri--MLB stands for major league bagels in your world :) . Howie--What a photographic memory you have (unless the current Mets' press guide has evey detail of every Met game). Most memorable Met road games for me--one, where Swoboda hit 2-2 run homers against Carlton to win it, in spite of 19 Met strikeouts. The other--the ridiculous July 4th Braves marathon in which RIck Camp, an .043 hitter homered to tie the game up during the extra innings. Braves had no pinch hitters left. Mets won that one in at least 17 innings.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 09:03:06 (MDT
Bonus babies: Sandy Koufax-he sat for 2-3 years on the bench not doing anything, also Bob "Beetle" Bailey. there was a $ amount that if you went over on the bonus required that the player had to be on the major league roster, if not you lost him.
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 08:32:44 (MDT
Nice post, big bro. You used to enjoy my rendition of Phil Rizzuto's radio call of the Tigers clinching the pennant against the Yankees in '67 or '68. It went like this: "Line drive...base hit...THE TIGERS WIN THE PENNANT, THE TIGERS WIN THE PENNANT...Look at the crowd and the players...coming out...Kaline scores the winning run...And everybody's being mobbed...And somebody's gonna get hurt out there...But Don Wert, who's had the poorest year he's had, singles to right off Lindy McDaniel...The Tigers beat the Yankees, two to one...Frank?" With that, he turned the mike over to Frank Messr, and the rest is history.
stu levin <stulevin@hotmail.com>
fort salonga, ny USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 08:27:41 (MDT
It is interesting to note that Babe Ruth and Mike Jorgenson are mentioned in consecutive postings. Mike was born on the day that the Babe died. My wife and son, both natives of Evansville met Mike on the field of Busch Stadium when he was interim manager of the Cardinals and talked about the old neighborhood. Incidentally, for the two of you who are Yankee fans, Evansville is the home of Don Mattingly who came back here after his career ended.
Dave Levin <vulcan2@mytownonline.com>
Evansville, IN USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 07:55:16 (MDT
Lefty.....the game of which you speak is one of my all time favorite Met games-certainly my favorite from the pre-1969 era. It was played on August 4, 1966. Juan Marichal started against Dennis Ribant, and you're right-the Mets had never beaten Marichal to that point. The Giants led 5-0, and Marichal had a perfect game going with 2 outs in the 6th inning, and for some reason, Wes Westrum let Ribant hit for himself. Sure enough, Ribant hit a little ground ball through the middle for the Mets' first hit, and that started the comeback. The Mets won the game 8-6 in the bottom of the 9th when Ron Swoboda hit a pinch hit home run off of Bill Henry. Marichal didn't get the loss, but that didn't matter. It was one of the all time great Met games.
Howie Rose <BACH267@aol.com>
Woodbury, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 07:30:09 (MDT
I worked in Food Fair for a couple of years, but when a supervisor there got a load of my hair, I was told that either I cut it, or I was fired. Ridiculously, I chose the latter. It turned out to not be such a bad move because Big Apple hired me immediately, at fifteen cents an hour more. This was based on my unique and considerable ability to slice belly lox and nova scotia better than any other part time kid in the neighborhood. The uniqueness of this was based on the fact that I was a "shaygets"(is that the right spelling?), and my house never saw a piece of lox. The appetizing department at Big Apple was first rate, and had a lot of old timers who had prevously owned delis around the New York area. The training I got there served me so well, that Food Fair came back to me nine months later, and offered me even more money to come back and night manage their deli department. At this point my hair was even longer but it no longer mattered. Big Apple was great though. A lot of beautiful and fun neighborhood girls worked there.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 07:16:49 (MDT
I think this site should be changed to the mlb site (major league baseball)borrrrring...see ya
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 06:02:41 (MDT
Baseball bonus babies... I seem to remember Mike Jorgenson being grabbed right out of high school. Now correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the bonus something like 25 grand and a GTO?
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 04:28:47 (MDT
Ed, Since BPG opened in 1949 it must have been awesome to see Babe hit that shot, especially since he died in 1948. You can look it up.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 00:58:52 (MDT
Jerry- McAuliffe played second base for the Tigers in the 60's. Ray Oyler was at short until he was replaced by Mickey Stanley. Stanley could hit but couldn't field the position and was subsequently moved to the outfield. Ed- My friend had some business dealings with Phil Linz recently and said that he was a nice guy. He was willing to talk about the Yankees of his day, the harmonica incident and all the stuff that Bouton spoke of in his book,"Ball Four." He said that the book was all true.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 00:21:39 (MDT
To David Krizman: My wife Marsha tells me that Ed Kranepool graduated from James Monroe HS in the Bronx with her in 1962. When you posted Madison you probably meant Monroe.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 22:56:19 (MDT
P.S. David . . . If you do look it up, look under the spelling apocryphal. Boy, did I mangle that one!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 21:09:16 (MDT
Jerry, exactly so . . . When Yogi Berra knocked that harmonica out of Phil Linz' hands on the team bus following an excruciating loss in 1964, the Yankees went on a tear and won the pennant . . Phil Linz, a journeyman infielder, was credited with a key contribution due to his harmonica playing!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 18:09:04 (MDT
OK. ;-)
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 17:29:11 (MDT
David - You will need to get permission from the Webmaster :o)
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 17:26:35 (MDT
Ed lapal--The harmonica was Phil Linz's instrument of choice, right after the beer bottle. I thought Dick McAuliffe was the Tigers' shortstop but that may have been more 60s than 50s.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 17:06:48 (MDT
Don.......can't I say just a little 'hello' from time to time?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 17:03:54 (MDT
Terris . . Phil Linz is famous for playing what instrument?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 15:23:06 (MDT
ED...i seem to recall that al kaline from the tigers was a 'bonus baby'...also, another tiger...their shortstop of that era...can't recall his name...started with a 'k' too...they were the k&ks while my beloved yanks had the m&m boys...although to me it was the m&m&m boys (mantle, maris, and mooooooose) ...memory floats back...was it harvey kuenn???(sp?).
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 15:23:03 (MDT
Art Shamsky is my neighbor-- he owned a bar on 1st ave in the late 70's- 80's with Phil Linz
Terris <Soundpuke@aol>
USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 15:15:41 (MDT
David - No more posts for you!!!
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 15:14:55 (MDT
OH NO !!! What's the penalty for 'cross-posting' ? Is there a venue for appeal?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 15:01:50 (MDT
David . . YOU CROSS-POSTED!!! Must have got confused. Bachelors Three was owned by Joe Willie Namath and two other Jets (Ray Abruzezee (sp) and one other) . . . Art Shamsky (the only Jew on the Mets) owned a deli on Queens Blvd. LOL . . Sorry, no ballpark frank for you!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:50:04 (MDT
Bachelors III was owned by Art Shamsky,and 2 others. I know them but cant remember.Were they Joe Willie and another? Wasnt that on Queens Blvd.? Or am I thinking of somewhere else?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:44:45 (MDT
Ron Hunt would get a standing ovation when he was HBP - hit by pitch . . His hits would only get a ho-hum reaction!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:44:23 (MDT
ED.... the world was blown away when Joe Willie signed for $4OO,OOO !! ....Now that's minimum wage.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:38:03 (MDT
JUst another quick thought...Ron Hunt came up same year as Pete Rose. He was our candidate for Rookie of the Year, but everyone else was busy watching Pete.(Who belongs in the Hall of Fame...Go Pete!)
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:35:13 (MDT
Ron Hunt used to stand straight up with his toeson the edge of the batters box...so his elbow would stick out into the strike zone. He never,ever dived or ducked...ever. ...You've got to give him credit....He was a real baseball player.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:33:18 (MDT
Ed Kranepool was a "bonus baby"! Remember them - players signed to a big ($80,000!!!) contract right out of high school. They had to be protected by being put on the major league roster for the first year. Even if they couldn't shave because of all the pimples! Does anyone remember other "bonus babies"?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:31:54 (MDT
Really ? Now I'll have to look up 'hypochrophal'...thanks a lot.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:28:48 (MDT
I went out with a girl who used to date Ed Kranepool (my claim to fame?) . . . Ron Hunt was hit by so many pitches his entire left side looked like the battlefield at Verdun! His claim to fame is that he never saw a pitch he wouldn't be hit by. He didn't even try to get out of the way!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:27:12 (MDT
I just learned that I'll be in Manhattan Monday/Tuesday of this coming week. Anyone (who remembers me) available to meet? Please send me an e-mail!
Ken Countess <ken73@aol.com>
Southlake (near Dallas), TX USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:26:21 (MDT
Ed Kranepool - A classic NY Mets player - He told a story of how he skipped school one day to see the Mets play their first home game in 1962. Little did he know that a few months later he would be palying for the Amazin's.
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:25:59 (MDT
Very funny David . . . but I'm serious! I read that in the Babe's biography. Now whether the Bambino, the great Sultan of Swat ever actually hit that ball from diamond to diamond . . or whether it's just a hypocrophal (sp?) story, I will leave to the reader.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:22:06 (MDT
I remember Ed Kranepool as a rookie. As Bob Murphy would say many times over the next 20 years.."straight out of Madison H.S. in the Bronx!".......and didnt Ron Hunt at one time hold the NL record for most times hit by a pitch?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:12:47 (MDT
He also slammed a new spaldeen straight over the 46 flagpole and broke a window across 64th Ave.........you can look it up !
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:08:37 (MDT
Okay, let's see if I can tie in baseball and the reunion? . . . When Alley Pond Park was dedicated, Babe Ruth hit a baseball from home plate on one of the four diamonds (at 73rd and Springfield) clear across to home plate on the opposite diamond. As Casey Stengel said "You can look it up!"
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 14:03:00 (MDT
Ray !!!! Happy Belated Birthday .. because this birthday wish "Be Late" ... I remember going to Shea with alllllot of guys, and you may have been there too, maybe with your brother. Juan Marichal was like 16 or 17 - 0 against the Mets ... we all went ... and he LOST !!!!! The Giants were winning, Marichal gets knocked out in the 6th or so, and the Mets bat around, and around, and around, and the Mets Won !!! I was a Giant fan at the time and was really mad. I think we all went to the rat hole for autographs later..... Alan ............
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 13:47:29 (MDT
Harris . . . Thank you for staightening that out for me. When I worked for Joe Rappa, he gave me one of my first nicknames (after Eddie Haskell) - Slick!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 13:21:59 (MDT
... ed, we are both right ... joe rappa was the produce manager (who also had a serious gambling problem) ... joe fazul (of course, "fazul" was the nickname we gave him) was the crazy one right off the boat, who would chase jay (can't think of his last name ... the one who everyone picked on) with a knife all the time ... thanks for the memory ... h
Harris Galary <hgalary@aol.com>
Howell, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 12:43:56 (MDT
Harris . . . I thought the crazy guy in produce was Joe Rapp . . Must have been two crazy Joes in produce at the Big Apple!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 12:05:47 (MDT
jan, et. al. ... the big apple brings back so many memories ... i started working there on my 16th birthday (when we could get working papers) on june 12, 1967 as a wagon boy ... i worked my way up to stock clerk and had the honor of working with all of the folks you mentioned ... other famous names i can call to mind are tommy and ray and crazy joe fazul, the produce man ... i also worked accross the street at waldbaums for a while, then back accross the street when big apple became shoprite ... gosh those were the days ... h
Harris Galary <hgalary@aol.com>
Howell, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 07:22:51 (MDT
Jerry - I thought the chase was before the finals. Your memory is better than mine.
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 07:01:04 (MDT
The Knicks were playing the Rockets in the Finals the year of the OJ chase. The Bulls and Pacers were knocked out pre-Finals.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 06:53:35 (MDT
The Knicks were playing either the Pacers or Bulls during the OJ car chase.
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 06:28:07 (MDT
Kev, the game 7 I'm referring to is 1969-the OJ thing I don't know-long term memory much better than short term!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 06:01:20 (MDT
Rosey: I thought it was game 7, but now I guess it wasn't. What game was interupted by the O.J. chase?
Kevan Schaum <Boyshkin@msn.com>
New Windsor, NY USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 03:55:31 (MDT
Francine: The Yanks were fun in '61! What a classic season! The chase for Ruth's record was incredible. Mantle & Maris going down the wire. Everyone in NY wanted it to be the Mick to break Babe'e hallowed record or 34 years. After he went down with 54 many people rooted AGAINST The Rajah not to break it. But with his quiet dignity and great baseball skills, although his hair was falling out and he stopped talking to the press, on the last day of the season before an unpacked house Maris hit 61 in '61 a record that lasted 37 years! He gets my vote for the Hall of Fame!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 02:55:13 (MDT
There's nowhere to go to escape the baseball stories, so if you can't beat 'em...this is my (sort of) baseball story. When I was a very little girl (about 3) we would go to my grandmother's house in Brooklyn on weekends, and the whole family, down to the second and third cousins would be there eating, playing cards, and in the case of us kids getting filthy in the backyard. Inevitably, we would be put in the bathtub before dinner, and also inevitably, I was bathed with my mother's cousin's son, Sandy Braun. We had a fine old time, and he was really good a throwing the soap and bath toys around the bathroom. That kid could knock a fly off the wall with a rubber duck at top speed. Not too many years later, Sandy's father and mother divorced, his mother remarried, and his new stepfather, known only as Mr. Koufax to us, adopted him. We didn't see much of him after that, but I sure was proud years later when he refused to pitch on Yom Kippur. The Mets are to the Dodgers as a transvestite is to a real woman. And the Yankees? Don't get me started on those smug, self-satisfied elitist folks who were their fans. What fun is it to win so much?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 02:36:21 (MDT
I couldn't resist another sports story. I too was at the Mets Reds Playoff game in 73 when Harrelson and Rose went at it. Eddie Cohen, Billy Knoth, myself and our girlfriends sat somewhere in East Jesus (upper deck beyond the foul pole)and watched as fans were throwing beer, hot dogs, soda and everything they could grasp onto the field. I also remember Mays, Seaver, Yogi and another player coming out to left field to try and quiet the crowd. It was ugly, real ugly. And as they say, the rest is history.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 01:24:20 (MDT
Dave Rosenbluth: I remember game 7 of the Knicks Laker game well. All of us were in the middle of your living room celebrating your confirmation and listening to the radio while Marv Albert would give us his typical "yes, and it counts" after a Knick basket. I remember going home afterward and watching the game after the news and thinking what a great year New Yorkers had with the Mets, Jets and the Knicks. Thanks for the memories.
Josh Wilner <jwchrgrs@aol.com>
San Diego, CA USA - Wednesday, May 17, 2000 at 01:16:59 (MDT
I was at the Mets – Reds play off game where Bud Harrelson and Pete Rose got into that brawl. What a miss match. Pedro Bourbon got a hold of one of the Met’s caps and started to tear it apart with his teeth. A few years later, I was lucky enough to see Rose tie the record for N.L. consecutive game hitting streak. I believe it was 44 games.
Len Shain <LenardShain@hotmail.com>
Sunrise, FL USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 21:24:58 (MDT
Anyone remember Phil Foster's pre-game show ? I cant recall the name of the show but he was definitely an ex-Brooklyn Dodger fan who found a new life with the Mets.....until he got busted for cocaine. I am am sure that, like me, there are tons of people who can still still sing the old Mets theme song. Try singing it to your kids and they will lose all respect for you !!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 21:11:48 (MDT
LARRY: This is getting out of hand.Too many baseball stories. By the way, one of the best amenties at Shea Stadium was all the free games we attended from the Bordens coupons off the milk containers. It saved us the hassle of hopping the fence. One of my best memories was in Sept 69 seeing Seaver's near perfecto bid vs. the Cubs. Phil Konisberg and I snaked seats in the 2nd row, Cubs dugout. It was amazing seeing the expressions of Santo, Banks, Williams, etc.on the way back to the dug out after they got K'd by The Franchise. It was also Bordens nite and midget mets nite. As a result, it was the biggest Shea crowd ever! A few hundred fans less than 60,000! Just like a Jets game. About half the house were freebies. The Giants vs. Mets '64 Memorial Day doubleheader was the 1st baseball game I ever attended. I remember Marichal winning the 1st game. My parents forced me to go home after the game. And I watched the 23 inning job on TV. RAY LEWKOW - I agree that the Richie Allen blast was the hardest ball I ever seen hit at a game that I attended. However, I think it hit 2/3 of the way up the left field light tower. The tower stands at least 80' behind the 371' sign. The Allen shot was like a laser beam.Wow!
Barry Adler <barryadler@earthlink.net>
Santa Monica, CA USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 19:25:30 (MDT
OK, I'm confused. Is this the Baseball and Basketball memory page or is it the open forum page? Both are working on them.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 16:04:36 (MDT
Jan: I also worked at Big Apple. I was in the walk-in cooler one day and the boss opens the door and says "Lewkow, What the hell are you doing in here?" I replied " I'm eating a container of Bokoo(chocolate pudding. He said, "You're fired for eating a container of Bokoo." I said "Which one, the first one or the second one?" I walked across the street and got a job at Waldaums. Sorry Francine one more Shea memory: Correct me if some of this is hazy; you guys have less dead brain cells than I do or I need to increase my ginko dosage. We're sitting in Shea Stadium sometime in 1965 and we're scoreboard watching. Why? Because Sandy Koufax and Juan Marichal are facing off,Mano A Mano, both having incredible seasons. The 1st inning is taking a long time, then we see a pitching change go up for the Giants. Thos was the famous Roseboro/Marichal incident where(the normally mild mannered) Marichal came after Roseboro with a bat. Webmaster Larry: The way it's going we may need a separate Baseball Memory page! Love the open forum!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 15:48:01 (MDT
" YESSSSSSSSSS" !
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 15:47:38 (MDT
Rosey- You are right. Game 7 of the playoffs between the Knicks and Lakers was blacked out. Amazingly my friend Jerry Ankeles who lived by Van Buren could pick up the Ct. station that was showing the game live. I was able to watch that game, albeit through a snowy screen, live and will never forget it. Another friend, Mike Peyser, was at the game and whenever crowd shots were shown he seemed to be in the middle of them all. He was a huge Willis Reed fan and to this day I can hear him scream at the top of his lungs---REEEEEED!!!!!
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 15:43:55 (MDT
Harris G. I also worked at the Big Apple on Springfield Bd. with a group of BPG people. Great 1st. job, $1.60 an hour!! Artie Nardello (tried to seduce all the housewives), Eddie Wolf, Jerry Bienstock and of course...Fat Al! I became the night bookeeper after a month and received a big salary increase...$1.85. Didn't take a lot to make me happy.
Jan Markowitz Carmel <MOONDANZ22@aol.com>
Plainview , USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 14:50:40 (MDT
..And I missed a lot of the local Kent State coverage too. Although it was pretty shocking over in Britain also. What a week to be away! Like the WW 2 generation, growing up during those years were like a crucible in forcing our awareness of the world beyond ourselves.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 14:45:51 (MDT
I remember Game 7 against the Lakers. It was on tape delay starting at about 11:30 right after the news. I remember it was on a Friday night and I was supposed to be sleeping because I was being picked up at about 3 in the morning by my sister and brother in law to drive down to Washington DC for a big anti-Vietnam War rally on Saturday. Remember in those days the finals did not drag into June. Kent State happened on May 4th, and I think this was the following weekend. When Willis Reed came out and made those two shots early on you just knew it would be the Knicks night.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 14:24:02 (MDT
Dave, you think YOU missed it. Ha ! I was on a last minute flight to Europe and had to READ about it in the Europe Herald Tribune. I didnt see replays until the NEXT Winter !!!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 14:16:36 (MDT
Knick memories: being the only Catholic amongst a group of Jewish friends, I had my confirmation party set up for the night of Game 7 against the Lakers, we listened on the radio to Marv and I remember the deafening roar come thru the radio when Willis made his first two shots! Michelle Goldberg?, later Jeff Grann's girlfriend, was a huge Knick fan and I remember her crying as the game came to a close! You might also remember that in NYC the game was blacked out on channel 7 and we couldn't see it till midnight! Chris Schenkel and Jack Twyman!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 13:44:02 (MDT
Attention Francine[Hochvert]Pearson: You may want to hit the scroll bar. :) I was there for the 3 World Series games at Shea in 69. They wrapped up the miracle on Thursday Oct. 16th. This time I had my moms permission to miss school. Like I needed it. The next day I'm sitting in math class when my teacher Tobias Gilbert says, "Raymond how come you weren't in school yesterday"? I proudly reply, "I was at the Mets game Mr. Gilbert". He proceeds to pick up a copy of the Daily News and hold it up for all to see. There's my ecstatic mug right smack on the middle of the front page. With a big grin on his face he says "way to go Raymond"... One of the most memorable long balls I witnessed was hit by Richie[Dick]Allen. He hit a bullet that was still rising when it struck the flagpole in dead centerfield. To this day I think it would have landed in Bell Park!
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 13:40:12 (MDT
Ahhh...Baseball. We still love it in spite of the corporate takeovers.And of course if we're talking memories, we must include our Beloved Knicks.....Reed, Lucas, Bradley, Debucherre, and Frazier. Not too mention the Pearl, Stallworth and Jackson, and those line drive shots from the top of the key from Cazzie Russell.... our Hall of Fame coach, Red Holzman. The memories of that team still bring tears to my eyes.The Defense....how I loved that Defense. No Primadonnas on that team....we loved them all. Those team rivalries played out over and over year by year. And were great food for arguments with my friends who were Boston and Philly fans.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 13:03:36 (MDT
Another Shea memory: Mets-Braves around 1965-Frank Lary of the Mets gets into a beanball war with the Braves...after he hits a Brave they all spill out to the field and just when things are calming down from out of the Braves bullpen comes Rico Carty waving a bat like a lunatic! Carty, who could hit a ton, was not playing that day and luckily couldn't hit anyone while he was swing that bat around while he was running toward the pitchers mound. I thought the guy had gone totally crazy...to this day if I mention Rico Carty to my mother, she always says,"that guy was crazy!"
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 12:51:50 (MDT
Doe's seeing the Mets win the World series at Shea Stadiun in October1969 qualify as a legitimate memory for this site? I was there with my friend Paul Marcus.. all the way up top. It came down to the last inning of the 7th game.. Mets of course came from behind to win and the place exploded in pandemonium. As we made our way down the aisles and on to the playing field, cherrybombs were exploding left and right.. chairs ripped out of their brackets were flying and the field was being ripped to shreds for souvenirs. I bent down and grabbed a little piece of shortstop, which I have to this day. We were then funneled out the rear gate which they swung open and it was all over..except for the memories.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 12:14:12 (MDT
Guess Lapalmust be on vacation otherwise he would be chiming in on all the baseball memories. Happy Birthday Mr. Lewkow (don't recall which one has a birthday so take your choice) Hope to see you both at the TOTC reunion...Hope Lapal can make it too !!!!. Have a great day.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 11:56:27 (MDT
Jerry add another Bomb.....Ron Swoboda's 500 foot blast over center field. Hey, I'm old enough to remember watching Frank Thomas hitting the overhang twice at the Polo Grounds. And I very much remember Bob Murphy reporting from the first Spring Training in Fla. and introducing such household names as Clarence"Choo Choo" Coleman, Sherman "Roadblock" Jones, "Little" Al Downing, and "the Ace" of the staff, Roger Craig. (Jay hook was in there too.) ....Baseball was such a blast then. Can anyone remember what team owns the Major League record for most 3rd baseman in a 20 year period? Can you name them? ESPN had a great story on just that subject a couple of years ago.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 11:49:05 (MDT
Since we're boring some people with baseball memories, I have another one. First, Happy Birthday Ray, before I forget. Then, my two most memorable Shea experiences--first, seeign Richie Allen hit three bombs, and I mean BOMBS, against the Metsies. One of them hit halfway up the scoreboard in RIGHT-center field. Other memory--the 1969 Don Young game in which the Cubs started their slide out of first place. That was a much more difficult catch than people think. Best Yankee in-person memory--Jim Bouton losing a no-hitter in the ninth against the Red Sox in a twi-night doubleheader in '63 or so.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 11:34:44 (MDT
Ray: Memories like that are what this site is about. Thank you man. Great replay. And a Happy Birthday.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 11:26:47 (MDT
Thank you Jerry. I couldnt believe I have spent 35 years with the name of Del Crandall etched in my mind for nothing.It would be like finding out you executed the wrong man for murder! I think Harvey Kuenn was one of the guilty parties too. Ray, of course it was on a Sunday and the answer is " I dont know but I'll find out".
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 11:01:10 (MDT
Lewkow Bros--I love you man. But it really WAS Del Crandall, the ex-Braves catcher, who knocked in the winner. You can look it up!!
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 09:24:28 (MDT
Ray, you're amazing...You probably don't remember what you had for breakfast but you were correct about Jim Davenport hitting a double to knock in the winning run in the 23rd inning. I was there with you! Oh, by the way HAPPY BIRTHDAY bro!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 07:45:22 (MDT
Jerry & David, I may have been a little delirious by the 23rd inning of game 2. I think I'll phone a friend, and my final answer is Del Crandell got the game winning hit.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 23:02:19 (MDT
I was also at Shea for every inning of the longest doubleheader in baseball history. If my memory serves me correctly Jim Davenport homered to win the 1st game in the 17th. Davenport's double won the nightcap in the 23rd inning. I remember my mother waking me up the next morning to go to school. I pleaded with her to let me stay home due to exhaustion. My cries were met with no sympathy... Years later the Mets & Cardinals were tied in the 15th inning. With a few friends I hopped in the car headed down to Shea, hoping to see them surpass the 26 inning game between Brooklyn & Boston that ended in a tie. We got there in the top of the 17th. Bake McBride led off the 25th with a single. When a wild pickoff throw got loose down the rightfield line, McBride was off to the races. The Cardinals 3rd base coach had both hands up screaming for McBride to stop at 3rd with no one out. McBride never broke stride and continued to fly home. The relay was a one bounce on the money throw home, and McBride was a dead duck...John Stephenson dropped the ball. We did get to see 9 innings of baseball.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 22:45:46 (MDT
David -- Re: Pack 350 I was in Pack 350 ang we had den meetings at Richard Schoenfeld's house. I am 99% sure he lived in a court on 218th between 68th and 73rd, at----yes...THE TOP OF THE COURT! I think you might have had a year or two on me but maybe that's the answer to your question.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 22:34:31 (MDT
met up with jeff schwartz last summer in long beach told me about this sight its nice to take a walk down memory lane every once in a while.do remember some of the names coming up on the sight mona elba you werent that thin a liitle cher if i recall anyway if there are any old classmates out rhere with some good stories keep in touch!
PAUL PEARLMAN <PPEARL1954@AOL.COM>
MALVERNE, NY USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 18:58:25 (MDT
... was just browsing the memories and thinking about a few of my friends from bpg ... from my work at the big apple days, has anyone ever heard from charlie caccio or charlie fisher? ... how about jessie harris?
Harris G <hgalary@aol.com>
USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 18:09:28 (MDT
David--The Giants won the first game also. I remember turning on the radio the next morning (I fell asleep around the 19th inning) and at that exact moment, they were replaying the play by play of the Crandall hit. I thought the game was still on!!! And I had no bad hot dogs..
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:52:28 (MDT
Jerry, I do believe that triple play happened at night, so it would have been in the second if so. Willie was halfway to second and just spun around to face first base(and me and my friends). I guess that if McMIllan had just kept running, he could have tagged Mays on his back as he was just walking back.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:49:25 (MDT
Jerry.....single, double...the result was the same. It was a 12 hour day of baseball for me and WE lost! Funny but if you ask me, I can't now remember who won the first game...but I spent my entire wad on 6 bad hotdogs, sodas, peanuts and whatever else the Harry M Stevens guys were hawking. LOL
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:45:07 (MDT
Ed-- Wasn't a shoestring catch by Richardson.He snagged it at about eye-level. I think I've seen that play ten times alone in the past year since the Giants moved into their new digs and retrospectives were the norm. Another aside to David--I though Crandall hit a two run double. DOn't mean to spoil your memories--I just remembered it differently.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:35:37 (MDT
David--Are you sure that triple play didn't happen in the first game?? By the way, Mays was quoted after the game that McMillan could have actually caught him and tagged him out for an unassisted job, if he had wanted to.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:32:56 (MDT
I remember standing 2 rows behind first base, Shea stadium 1964, at that 23 inning game and watching Orlando Cepeda line out to S/S Roy Mcmillan who stepped on second an threw on to first, catching Willie Mays off the base to complete a triple play.(Willie had a big grimace on his face). Then I remember that at 11:45pm Dell Crandall broke my heart asw he lined a single to center, sending in the winning run as the Mets failed to score in the bottom of the 23rd.I'll never forget that long day and how we sneaked down to those empty seats.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:26:37 (MDT
Ahh, Steve . . . Game seven of the 1962 World Series. It doesn't get any better than that. Last out, last inning, last game - two great teams! Both originally from New York! I was a Giants fan, so I would have had nothing to fear from Billy Moran . . . I listened to that game in 46 schoolyard (Tall Oaks, excuuuuuuse me) on a transistor radio (remember how they came 6, 8 or 12 transistors). When Richardson made that shoestring catch, I took my stickball bat and beat it against the fence until it was resuced to kindling wood!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 16:15:10 (MDT
Chris- I watched game 7 of the 1962 Series at Billy Moran's house with him and his mom, two rabid Giant fans while I rooted for the Yanks. I didn't celebrate too much when McCovey's liner found Richardson's glove to end the game. I was smart and I waited until I left to celebrate since although Billy was my friend he probably would have kicked my butt if I celebrated in front of him.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 15:17:00 (MDT
Ed, you know what this means?.....we can now go into syndication !! ...by the way, can anyone remember the Cub Scout den mother of Pack 350 circa 1957? I can't but I do remember going to a house on right on 218th st halfway between 68th and 73rd Ave. on the west side of the street.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 14:42:01 (MDT
WOW. One hundred thousand hits!!!! What a testament to an idea whose time has come. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. I've enjoyed each and every posting.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 14:26:21 (MDT
I vividly remember growing up in Bell Park. I went to PS46 and to JHS74. Playing stickball in the school yard, running under the sprinklers, seeing reruns of old movies in PS46's auditorium are all part of my memories. It was and, I am sure is still a great place to grow up.
Howard Epstein <css@de-inc.com>
Atkinson, NH USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 08:45:20 (MDT
It's so nice to hear from so many old friends through this website. Don Shulman-I had forgotten the incident that you mentioned. You were really a great kid! To Brian Sokolff-How could I forget Thom McAn? While we're there, Ed Lapal's posting reminded me that there was Stan's Hardware Store on the corner as well. The slot car place was on Union Tpke. and 260th St, near Mays Department Store. To Steve Rovitz-we did know each other. Your mom, Thelma, was my den mother for two years in Cub Scouts. Your brother Jeff was in our den. We used to come to your apartment of Friday nights for den meetings. After they were over, my buddies Billy Moran and Gary Cohen would rush to Billy's apartment to watch the Flinstones in COLOR. Billy had one of the first color TV sets. My brother Greg put in his first posting over the weekend. I'm sure you guys will communicate.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 07:16:36 (MDT
To Harris: I remember Janie as a great person. She could tear you down verbally or kick your butt! She would never make comments about "gentiles" like other people do. I don,t remember her brother but I was good friends with her sister Jill.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Monday, May 15, 2000 at 00:36:25 (MDT
I big hello to all my old friends from Bell Park. What a great place to grow u in the 50's and 60's.
Greg Calbi <gcalbi@home.com>
Montclair, NJ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 20:56:27 (MDT
I would also like to say hello to Chris Calbi. When I was about 10 years old, my parents sent me to summer camp. I did not like it very much, I hated the kids, the activities and did not want to go back. All this after only one day. Well you came up to our apartment and said that if I returned I could be in your group. Well I did return and I had fun that summer.
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 20:27:28 (MDT
I had to move about ten messages in the last 15 or so, because they were off topic (OT). The posts were moved to the open forum (click on the link to open forum at the top of this page to get there). C'mon, if I can make the effort to create this from nothing, you can make the effort to post on the correct board. Geesh. I feel like Tommy the Parkie only I don't have a cigar.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 20:22:58 (MDT
This board is to be used ONLY for posting memories of growing up. If you want to say hi or chat or wish everyone a happy and healthy or comment on any thing else, please, please use the open forum.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 20:12:16 (MDT
Andy....correction to my typo....I graduated Lewis in 1965.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 11:23:03 (MDT
Andy Lavigne.....I was in the Lewis Band too. I played clarinet. Mr. Goldschlager was one of the good guys. I graduated in 67 and never played again. I think I really wanted to play the sax.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 11:21:11 (MDT
I wish my mom was here this Mother's Day.She would see how tall Jonathan has gotten and that even Sheridan shot up this year.They are so bright , articulate and well mannered.Jonathan is a bit of a tease to his younger sister but I have been spying on her lately and she is a bit of a provocateur herself.We can all think back to the times when moms stayed at home and most of us can recall our mothers going back to continue their education or re enter the workforce.There have been so many social changes since we were young but moms are no less important now and I am really missing mine today.Happy Mother's Day.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, May 14, 2000 at 11:18:39 (MDT
Steve Rovitz-- I graduated JHS 74 and then Lewis in '67. I also played the sax in the school band. The year you graduated band FLSH truly had the best high school band ever. Many of the kids were in City Band. The sax section was so talented I had to play bass sax. I think you played first tenor sax and got to play a lot of solos. David Fields played tenor. Barry Gold played alto sax... Do you remember anyone else in the sax section? What about Kenny Gross on first trumpet, do you know if he stayed in music--his father was a music teacher in Lewis? That band really had a lot of talented people and Mr Goldshlaager(?) made it fun. It was one of the few classes I actually attended regularly.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 22:54:04 (MDT
Well just got back from my parents house in N.J. Had not seen them in a while (snow birds) We were going thru alot of old pictures and paper - Came across a newspaper articule dated 4/16/48 talking about Bell Park in the works. Also I have a Bell Park Gardens yearbook 1950 -1951 amazing stuff I am going to bring them to the reunion. It makes interesting reading material. I also found original Bell Park News Letters. Ed I think you will enjoy this. Ok guys a little trivia - How many garages are there and what do you think the monthly fee was?
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 21:39:55 (MDT
Jibralta . . . Trust me. The bialys at Slim's on Horace Harding are just as good as ever . . . OK, I think I've got the secret formula for the reunion on July 15th . . Free Spaldeens for the kids, free bialys for the adults!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 10:00:04 (MDT
Diane, Jerry, I toyed with the idea of shlepping back Jeff's bagels (and Adrian's goodies for that matter ) for the party, but realized it would all be stale by the 28th. But I am making a batch of (Minnee/Paula Epstein's recipe) rugelach.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 09:17:10 (MDT
Jerry, Helen – I believe that trainer bras were an expensive artifact, a created need, of 1960’s commercialism. Nothing, and nobody, needed to be trained, no more than boys needed trainer jock straps. When everyone got liberated, in 1969, did any young girls burn their trainer bras? I suppose they helped ease the transition to puberty, but perhaps puberty is also an artifact of 1960’s commercialism!! Let’s take this one over to the Issues Forum! ...P.S. more cheers for the Bagel place. I met Jeff over Passover (another benefit of TOTC, learning the name of the owner of the local bagel place) and he's a great guy... Einstein's was a shonda, with those banana walnut chocolate chip whatever bagels.
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 09:09:23 (MDT
I will be visiting my folks in Bell Park next week, leaving Mon. I intend on taking daily walks around the hot spots (and I hear it is hot there) to see what memories get triggered. I'm looking forward to it. I wanted to put a plug in for my cousin Jeff's bagel store. Its the one on 73rd, off Bell, and after years of working there as a kid, he bought it some years back. He withstood the challenge from the corporate "Einstien's (for West caosters, the equivilant of Noah's) just across the street, dug in with his loyal customers, and eventually Einstien's closed down. Go Jeff! Jerry... Training bras were mostly a rite of passage for girls. The were mostly symbolic, didn't offer much in the way of support, and there usually not much to support anyway. It was a way to socialize us I think... I'll be thinking of you all next week.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 08:53:57 (MDT
Diane--What is the evolution of the expression "training bra". Not that you or anyone else whould know how that got started, but I always found it kind of humorous. Peri--If I can find the time, I'll do the yearbook for you. Jibralta wisely told me not to send it to her so she could do it. Warning--you may have a long wait, as it requires an hour on a weekend. Jibralta--Gee, I didn't know you felt that way about kids. Just think of your dogs as your kids, and you'll have instant empathy.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 08:24:07 (MDT
Brian, I don’t know what types of women would shop at Janine’s or Lady Windsor but I know what type of women bought their underwear at Most’s on Horace Harding…women who required the *utmost* discretion. Yeah, I’ll never forget my visit there as a twelve year old…cautiously stepping in with Mom…carefully looking left and right...whispering to the guy at the counter, and then…he shouts to the back…HEY MARV! WE NEED A SIZE 28 TRAINER BRA FOR THE ZELMAN GIRL HERE!…Yeah, real discreet...Fess up, BPGers. How many of you went through this for a discount pair of jockeys?
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 08:15:00 (MDT
One small correction to jibraltas post...my father worked in glen oaks at paddys bagels not on horace harding...my father only worked in union shops...he spent many days picketing back when unions were strong and meant something...my brothers and i were taught at an early age how important unions were and never to cross a picket line...hey jerry...my yearbook was stolen along with all the pictures of us when we were young from a storage room in bpg many years ago...how bout sending me a copy too...ill pay for the xeroxing
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Saturday, May 13, 2000 at 05:12:39 (MDT
To the great Chris Calbi: good job trying to tilt the axis toward our quadrant. In your list of stores, you left out Thom McAn and that other shoe store (I think called Kaye's, which had a platform for kids to walk on to test the fit of the shoes). Another thing: was there a difference between the type of woman who went to "Lady Windsor" and the type of woman who went to Janine's? I don't know about such things. Finally, in all the postings of memories, nobody has mentioned something this: I remember my older sister, Leslie (a lurker on this site), and her boyfriend, Jeff Stein (217th Street and 67th Avenue), taking me along to Union Turnpike in Glen Oaks, where we went into a downstairs establishment, rented a lane for an hour and were given a speed control. They then took out their "slot cars," which they owned and brought along, and raced these little cars on a track that ran all around the store, and had banked curves that went up to the ceiling.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 22:50:56 (MDT
Barry Sugarman -- I Remember that hill. The best bike riding in the area. I would have said best sledding, but the old golf course had the best sledding. The Korvettes hill was wear my brother chipped his front tooth skateboarding when they had a brief fling in the 60s.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 22:49:40 (MDT
......and why cant I get just plain old Kosher sour pickles here? They all say "Kosher Dills" like dill pickles are so special.The favorite pickles in NY are GARLIC sour pickles with NO dill involved. I cant seem to get that through their heads.Is this a problem that's endemic to the West or what? I finally found some bottles of Batampte GARLIC pickles in the supermarket this Passover. Sure enough, when I went back, they were all gone. And what's with the beef out here? You cant get a good sweet brisket. The Kosher food is "imported" from Chicago.....and not at al the same spices and flavors of corned beef and Pastrami like in NY. And again...they just dont get it. They think it's just fine....We are so spoiled by our upbringing.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 21:22:06 (MDT
Ok ...so bagels are made by the bay...in Bayside...I think I've got it. lol ....Hey, how about "pletzels"....and "onion boards"....miss those too. Are Pletzels originally from "Pletzylvania"? ...like the cream cheese is from Philadelphia ?
David krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 21:08:26 (MDT
Hey Michael D. I just read your post about George Tenet! You know I didn't remember him... then Jerry Schwarz was kind enough to Xerox his ENTIRE yearbook for me. A brushfire burnt-up everything I owned in '87 and with it my yearbook. So, when I got the copy last month... I looked everyone up and there was George Tenet... and I DO remember him. Wow! He looks SO OLD now! When I told my S.O. that we went to H.S. together he looked and him (on TV) and then at me and shook his head. I guess climbing to the top of the pile ages people! I find it quite bizarre our classmate heads the CIA. I think your comments on today's politics are right on the money. My problem with CHILDREN nowadays is that yuppie parents don't stress ANY manners at all and their children are rude and terribly spoiled and many are impossible to be around. I actually have friends that I've told: "When you visit don't bring your kids because I can't stand them." True. There's a whole generation whose parents (yuppies) are giving them far too many choices and they've raised selfish brats. When the Columbine shooting happened, I found it bizarre that a 16 y o girl owned an Acura Legend and NO ONE questioned why a teenager drove a $35K car and that other student cars in the parking lot were BMWs... new ones. I just don't think it's healthy for teenagers to be given so much. When you travel to other countries, especially the Third World... you realize what a bizarre value system we have here... and there's so much materialism no one questions it or even thinks that it's not normal or healthy.
Jibralta "Joy" Merrill <BaysideBop@aol.com>
Studio City, CA USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 20:09:51 (MDT
Thanks, PERI! For educating us on bialeys and bagels. Bialeys are the one thing I miss TERRIBLY as here in L.A. Mexicans make the bialeys and they're as dry and as hard as a corn tortilla! Awful! This past Xmas I had a neighbor who's family remains in Brooklyn buy me a dozen and Fedex them back to me... and the baileys were lousy! They were still better than a Los Angeles bagel, but not like the one's I remember buying from Peri Nusbaum's father's bagel place on Horace Harding... From what I'm gathering from this website, there are NO good bialeys in NYC anymore!?!?!?!? How is this possible, guys? Help me out here, I thought the reason the bialeys were lousy in Los Angeles was because we have very hard water here in La-la Land and the water in NYC is very soft. Add to that Mexicans who bake them until they're like weapons and well you wouldn't want to feed it to a starving cockroach! So, now I'm to believe that everyone in NYC has forgotten how to make bialeys?! Someone tell me this isn't true! Cheers, Jibralta
Jibralta "Joy" Merrill <BaysideBop@aol.com>
Studio City, CA USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 19:31:00 (MDT
CHRIS CALBI - Hello. We did not know each other, but I was friends with your brother Greg. I played saxophone in JHS 74 and Francis Lewis - graduated in 1966. Greg shared a love of music. Always remembered him as one of the sweetest guys around. Please say hello to him for me. I am currently the Director of Music for the Monticello School District - love teaching music.
STEVE ROVITZ <rovi@catskill.net>
USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 18:57:51 (MDT
Oops almost forgot...ed isnt that plagurism???doesnt slims have that saying on their window...if a seagul flies over the sea....be careful there r a lot of lawyers on this site!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 18:08:44 (MDT
OK guys here it is straight from the source...my father was a bagel bagel for many years (those of u who know us remember his green bagels)ok not from the actual source but the source's wife (my mom)sorry my father is busy right now packing to return to bpg for the summer...she says they never made bialys in the bagel bakery...they bought them elsewhere and brought them in as an accommodation...she believes it was a union thing...oops my father came back into their condo and got on the phone with me...he says they were each a seperate union and were not allowed to bake bialys in bagel stores and bialy places could not make bagels....and that's my final answer
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 18:06:52 (MDT
I was also a salesperson at Korvette's, around 1968. I worked for about 3 months in the men's haberdashery department (that's underwear and shirts, etc) during a Christmas season. I remember them playing the song Celebration continuously over the loudspeaker in the junior's department next door. I also remember that the manager would always come over and tell us that we didn't look busy, so we would fold things up, then mess then up and fold them again, just to look busy. No wonder they went out of business! They used to dock your pay if you were one minute late, but you got nothing if you clocked out ten minutes late.
Barbara Gellis Shapiro <barbara@gate.net>
West Palm Beach, FL USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 17:49:39 (MDT
David, I'm not sure Bialys were first made in Bialystock, although it's a natural. My father was born in Bialystock Poland. At one time it was a thriving industrial city near the Russian border.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 17:48:24 (MDT
David . . . If seagulls fly in from the sea, then bagels come from the bay! Elementary, my dear Watson.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 16:12:17 (MDT
Re: bialy's...Its apparantly a dying art. (Bialy making) I remember that the story was that bagel stores didn't make their own- that they all came from some place in the lower east side that sold them to local bagel places. My Mom always said, "I'd rather have a stale bialy than a fresh bagel."Me- I can never hear the word "bialy" without thinking of the Zero Mostel character in The Producers....
Helen Behar <sabehar@sarc.org>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 15:41:55 (MDT
"Good afternoon Korvettes shoppers.....today's specials at Liquors-a-Plenty, aka Korvettes Liquor store is Boones Farm apple flavor wine...." I was a sales person at the liquor store and the announcer voice you heard in both the grocery store and in EJ Korvettes. I worked there around 71 or 72 while I went to Queens college. I remember sled riding down the hills next to EJ Korvettes before they built those houses .... Anyone remember that steep hill?
Barry Sugarman <bsugarman@cyberagency.net>
Weston, Fl USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 14:45:04 (MDT
Thanks Mitch, interesting about the unions. Did they also have seperate unions for seeded and unseeded Rye bread?.....So now where do bagels come from?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 14:30:31 (MDT
Don Guillium... Big Janie from the luncheonette that originally was Yogi's is Janie Goldstein. My family & hers were very close when I was growing in Windsor Park. My older brother Donald was very good friends with Janies' brother Jeff... and he father Dave, who was a butcher would regularly squeeze all the life from my hand while tricking me into giving him a handshake.. kind of like Mr. Infantino deflating those balls in front of the class.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 14:28:27 (MDT
DAVID...bialys did get their name from bialystock...in fact, when i was a kid in the bronx we bought bialystock rolls. till the day she died my mother called them bialystock rolls...also, when i lived in bayside you couldn't get bialys and bagels in the same shop in nyc...bakers of each had separate unions and you couldn't bake both of them in the same facility. one of my college fratenity brother's (mo cohen, from 'old' bayside) fathers owned a bagel bakery and that's how i learned about the union thing.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 14:21:02 (MDT
OK ... it's Friday and after 2:00 PM .. so no more talk of hardware stores until next week ..... GOOD SHABBAS !!!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 14:17:28 (MDT
Another question.....#1 ...are Bialys originally from Bialystock? .........#2....Is this a question that belongs on "Who wants to be a Millionaire"? #3
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 13:50:37 (MDT
OK Alan...if I could, I'd "drag and drop" them over to the other page.So let's go back a few postings to Bagels and Bialys.(How come Bialys aren't spelled 'Bialies"?) So Slims is still THE Place. They have all kinds of bagels and pseudo-Bagels here that at least look like bagels. But when you ask for a bialy,they say'a what?' or they bialy looks like nothing I've ever seen before. I miss them. I miss coming home at 2am,3am.. and swinging by a bagel shop(with it's windows all steamed up) and bring home a bag so hot, you could hardly touch them let alone slice and spread the cream cheese. Oh what a treat, better than cake.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 13:45:45 (MDT
It looks to me like the discussion of Hardware Stores and home improvements has now crossed the line and should be moved to the open Forum. lol. Good weekend to all.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 13:23:52 (MDT
Well now I pulled up this site and I see my earlier postings DID arrive after some delay routing through Micronesia and McMurdo Station and someplace unknown......So I repeated my earlier postings unneccesarily...........never mind!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 13:19:37 (MDT
Strange, I sent a posting and it didnt arrive...I guess I didnt hit the send button hard enough. I was saying I too loved Hardware stores with wooden floors, and I do remember there was one on Springfield somewhere. I loved that old worn floor and the smell of steel, iron and wood all mixed together.(is this a 'man' thing?) Now the only 'Mom and Pop" stores are Ace Hardware...no wood floors either. But I wander in there and also Home Depot for old times sake. lol You never know what neat stuff you missed last time. Mitch.....I'm with you. I "potchker" around the house for a while, then decide I want to have a life on weekends, and go hire someone(my wife knows me by now)....though I an itching to try out that new fancey-delancey chain saw I bought at Sears to go with all the other state of the art tools in the garage.Growing up in BPG, who would have thought I'd one day own a chainsaw? LOL
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 13:08:19 (MDT
come on steve...maintenance sober???u gotta be kidding
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 12:52:31 (MDT
Been in my house for aout 12 years now. When I started out I did everything including the gardening. That lasted about 5 years and now the garden looks good because the gardener does a great job. I devoted my weekends to the house for several years and then realized that all I do is go to work, come home and work on the house. I've relaxed somewhat and now hopefully have everthing under control. I do however take care of preparing the deck each year (i enjoy doing that). In the 'ole hood we had "maintenance" do they job...if they were sober at the time. Well, they even did it if they weren't sober :)
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 12:31:55 (MDT
Mitch..... I do "potchker" around the house, but lose my enthusiasm very quickly and then I'll do the same as your lady says. LOL
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 12:05:38 (MDT
I thought there were no more hardware stores with wooden floors. I always loved just browsing through them.I remember that old hardware store.Ed,..... Nobody says you actually have to USE all those great tools in the garage. They're neat to buy and have close at hand(just in case).....although I do want to try out that new fancy-delancey chain saw I bought at Sears.It's not so much the work as taking on another weekend job. I did that with my first house and now weekends are for me, not my house.I want a life besides 'working on the house" or in the yard...no more. ...and,the only 'Mom and Pop' stores here are Ace Hardware.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 12:02:34 (MDT
HARDWARE STORES REDUX...my kids (adults now) always love to kid me about when i do work around the house. i perspire so much that i have to wear a headband. arlene, my lady, tells everyone, "mitch wouldn't change a light bulb. he would rather hire a gentile." although an exageration, it isn't far from the truth.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 09:32:48 (MDT
Ahhh Peri, Peri . . . Call the A/C man, call the plumber, call the gardener - spoken like a true Bell Parker! Whenever the slightest thing went wrong in the apartment, the first reaction was . . call maintenance! Not exactly a ringing endorsement of my Father's handyman abilities. Then we would wait and wait until finally some maintenance man would stroll in and royally screw up whatever it was needed fixing. Please see Ray Lewkow's past postings on this subject. My Dad still has a closet door whose bottom resembles a relief map of the Himalayas. This from Scotty, who was asked to plane the door down when we got new carpeting . . . So Mitch, although not adopted (to the best of my knowledge), that is why this Jew learned to love hardware stores!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 07:46:16 (MDT
Steve, its not the powerwashing thats the problem, its the applying of the sealer...we have 2 full sized decks and a shed and al has a bad back..we did it ourselves last year and it was a horror...besides, we rather be on the golf course...we work too hard and too many hours all week to spend our weekends doing stuff like that...actually we got a pretty good price on having it done...powerwashing, sealing (including the materials which run a couple hundred since we have alot of stuff to get done) only $500 for the job...its worth not wasting our weekend doing it...but if u enjoy powerwashing with your new powerwasher, we dont live that far away, come on over and do it...only kidding!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 06:27:46 (MDT
Hardware stores-------A while back Ed mentioned the A&P on Springfield with that musty odor and wooden planked floors...remember the hardware store next to it...wooden planked floors and the musty odor as well. It was owned by a husband and wife team. They had everything under the sun a real Home Depot of the early days. A Chinese guy bought it and then it closed a few years ago...probably due to Home Depot. Peri..I solved the deck issue ywo years ago.. I bought a power washer and do it myself. Still looks like brand new. In fact, I'm in the process of doing it now. As for the lawn, I gave that up a few years ago and the gardener does a great job.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 06:16:36 (MDT
Ed..dont remember the pregnant woman but i do remember the employee lounge...also remember having to come in thru the back door and carry plastic pocketbooks only so they could check out all our belongings!!!as far as jews not knowing about hardware stores tell that to my father who paneled our whole apartment by himself, put up cabinets by himself, installed lights, fixed our washing machine when it was broken, etc etc etc...pay money to have someone come in...i dont think so!!!now on the other hand...al & i go thru the list of things we have to do as follows...did u call the guy to powerwash and treat the decks???did u call the gardner and ask him to check out the shrub thats dieing?did u call the a/c guy??etc etc etc...
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, May 12, 2000 at 05:23:21 (MDT
ED...hardware stores? hardware stores? the truth now comes out...you must be adopted if you like hardware stores...jews don't even know how to spell hardware stores...all kidding aside, malibu has 2 great great hardware stores and a lumber yard...you've got enough money to come out here and be a clerk in one of those stores.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 22:29:57 (MDT
Hardware stores. I love hardware stores - family owned hardware stores with the ladders along the walls to reach items stored up to the ceiling. Small stores where you walk in with an odd washer, a screw that is unmatchable and the lady behind the counter gets exactly what you need out of a plastic tray buried behind her! Hardware stores where you can browse and walk out with a half dozen items you never knew you needed . . . Unfortunately, the neighborhhod hardware stores are all being put out of business by Home Depot, as are lumber yards (remember the ones in old Bayside?). There used to be a hardware store on 73rd and one on Horace Harding until a few years ago.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 21:18:48 (MDT
That ice cream place was called zip'z'
Mark Young <kdaykonway@earthlink.net>
Coral Springs, fl USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 20:14:35 (MDT
I would like some help finding some old friends
Edward Oppenheimer <doppenh1@tampabay.rr.com>
Nesconset, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 20:12:39 (MDT
David . . . Sure, the bagel place is still there - it's called Slim's. Best bialys this side of ???? Peri . . . I think we worked together as cashiers at Korvettes! Do you remember the head of cashiers was pregnant in 1971? The cashiers room was just off beddings and linens. Do you also remember that drek employees lounge in the back, back when a cigarette break was just that!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 20:08:51 (MDT
Ed - I remember the A & P on Horace Harding and the King Kullen on Springfield Blvd. They both had the same wooden plank floors and in some spots they were so worn that the floor sagged.
Jackie Coster Wieczkowski <jackiew48@yahoo.com>
Massapequa, ny USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 18:42:17 (MDT
David...i have no idea what i was paid at korvettes, i just know it was minimum wage and i thought i was earning a fortune!!!i worked in the record department as a cashier alot...that was one of the best gigs to get there...got to listen to music and there were basically young people that came to that dept...lots of guys too and in those days thats all my friends and i thought of...now we know better (only kidding)meryl i dont remember your sister...dont know if i ever knew her
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 18:21:51 (MDT
i'm back from my travels but, off again tomorrow. i too worked at korvettes...in carle place during '63 or '64. i worked there at night, in the furniture and design center across the st. from the main store. i worked their several nites each week while a student at adelphi in garden city. i sold upholstery and slip covers. HA! i couldn't even tell what shirts matched my pants...the job was a scam. they ran ads saying you could slip cover a sofa or 2 chairs for $49...if people came in it was my job to convince them to have "one of our crack designer salesman" visit them at home. if the customer insisted i could show them the fabrics that could be used at that price . they looked as if someone had vomited on a piece of fabric, so nobody would buy them, but they had to be there (truth in advertising). it was a great gig because almost nobody came in or called in and i could do my homework and get paid... whadda country!
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 18:08:04 (MDT
Peri- my younger sister Lauren worked @ Korvettes- she may have been there the same era you were.
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 17:34:52 (MDT
Does anybody remember the other Ice Cream store on Springfield. It was only soft ice cream a-la Carvel but the hook was that there was a toppings bar where you could make your own sundae. It was on the same side as Jahn's in what is now occupied by a Health & Beauty store.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:46:05 (MDT
To think we could walk home from 205 for lunch- today my son (7th grade)has 20 minutes for lunch and no recess. I remember the difficult choice of who to buy ice cream from Dave the Good Humor Man or Petie and his italian Ice. Meryl- I too would turn the ices upside down and eat the gooey stuff first and then came Carousel- I loved brown bonnets. Even then I wanted to be an equal opportunity ice cream buyer... sometimes my mom would let me buy 2 a day, so I could do so. To be young and thin. Anita those photos were great- I have some too- I'll try to scan- but I was not in that "clique" although I was friends with Ellen Liben and Diane Moss. I slept over Ellen Liben's house one hot summer evening. Her room was so stuffy so I went to open her window- big mistake- the alarm went off- the police came- her parents were pissed. OOPS- we didn't use alarms in Windsor Oaks/Parks
Mindy (Friedman) Mazur <Mindy_Mazur@yahoo.com>
Milton, MA USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:32:26 (MDT
of a 12 year old. also, i think that korvette's record dept. did as much business with shoplifters as with more upright consumers.
andrea krest <akrest411@aol.com>
westfield, nj USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:17:07 (MDT
so daitch became key food and is now the korean market? while we are nostalgic for food i must add that adrian's had fantastic eclairs and napoleans, at least to the palate of
andrea krest <akrest411@aol.com>
westfield, nj USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:15:33 (MDT
Ed, I remember that old A&P. My recollection is that the store was absolutely filthy and my mom would not shop there, preferring instead Big Apple and then later, Waldbaums.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:09:55 (MDT
Peri, I used to live at the Korvettes record dept.IThere was so much to read on the jackets.I need reading glasses for my cd's now...And I miss those $1.99 specials. I have kept most of my vinyls for many years and I am sure my "Rubber Soul" album and many others are from Korvettes. Even with the scratches, they still sound better than my disks. Peri, how much did they pay you in those days?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 13:03:02 (MDT
Ed i worked a korvettes around 1971 but dont rememeber exactly when...i remember michael herbstman worked there then in the bicycle dept...did u know him???i really dont rememeber anyone elses names but i can picture a couple of the faces...i didnt work in any particular dept., i was a cashier and worked all over the store wherever i was needed
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:59:00 (MDT
Ed I'm not old, I just remember from when I was a tot! Lol But I do remember Milk going up to 19cents, 20cents and on up. When did they take away the milk machines? I have always kept the memories of A&P', old wooden floors, and how I would walk past the coffee grinder just to smell that Eight O'Clock coffee. I was saddened when it eventually became a McDonalds. Is the Bagel shop still there next to it?
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:55:49 (MDT
Peri . . . I worked at Korvettes too! 1970-71, when I was a sophomore at Queens College. There was this wild guy in Automotive, with a beard (can't remember his name). Everyone knew to give him plenty of space. He was a Vietnam vet, suffered from flashbacks!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:29:21 (MDT
When i was 15 i worked at waldbaums in douglaston...its now a fabric store...told them i was 18 and they believed me so i didnt need to produce working papers...it was on marathon pkwy and the service road...anyone remember that store???i also worked at kovettes when i was 18...we had a great time there, it was more like a social club then work...anyone else work there???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:14:28 (MDT
David . . . I remember 27c milk machines. But then again, I'm not as old as you.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:09:06 (MDT
Since we're doing old super markets, does anyone else remember the "old" A & P (Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company) on Horace Harding and Springfield (where McDonalds is now) . . . I have this memory of a dark, musty store with wooden plank flooring.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 12:07:35 (MDT
Jackie W.....some weeks ago I mentioned the old Daitch-Shopwell too but no one else did. I think it was there either before or right after King Cullen. We just called it "Daitch". If you remember that then you must remember the 17 cent a quart milk machines too.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 11:32:48 (MDT
Mother's Day sale gifts at PS 46 happened about 2-3 weeks before the day. Most everything cost between$1.00 and $2.00.. and they had a nice selection for the price and time. My mother still wears a pin I got her when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade ... and it actually still looks good. They had allot of pins, statues, little "chachkas", plant holders, earings, etc .... For some of my report cards... I think I should have given her a bottle of aspirin........ ... Good Pre-Shabbas ........
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 11:17:18 (MDT
To Chris Calbi, thank you. Several weeks ago I asked if anybody remembered another Bakery on 73rd Ave where Pexon's is and nobody responded. I started to doubt my memory, but you have now confirmed that those creme-filled donuts I remember eating were real.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 10:57:27 (MDT
what about the plant sales at 46 also...or were those for mothers day???cant really remember
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 10:48:54 (MDT
Who remembers the days at PS 46 around Mothers and Fathers Day when they used to set up a special room where the students could buy inexpensive (cheap) gifts for their parents? I remember buying small pins for my mother and a torah that sat on my fathers rearview mirror for years. After he passed away years ago, I inherited that small torah which I still have and cherish to this day.
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 10:02:17 (MDT
Like many of the others here, I have a very busy life with businesses and kids. So I better start coming into the office earlier in the morning to respond to the things I read here. I love my memories of growing up in BPG, and can go on endlessly about them. First of all, Andy Lavigne, I remember that incident very well. What you and the other guys don't know, however, is that at some time after that, my brother Greg and I went into our house, hugged each other, and cried our eyes out. To another posting, I remember Daitch very well, and if you recall, it then became KwickWay, for a few years after that. Next door was the Windsor Bakery, which my Dad made me go to on Sunday mornings, only for the Bagels. It seems that they had great bagels, but their cake was nowhere near as good as the Danish and Jelly Donuts at Adrians. I had to be about 7 years old at this time, and I think of this a lot regarding my two boys, ages 11 and 6. Would I send them by themselves to the store to get food? No way! To another posting, my brother Joe dated Susan Goldstein for a long time. The Goldstein sisters were great kids. Susan, Janie, and Jill. Susan and Janie had a few extra pounds going in those days, and we used to call Janie "Jungle Janie". A few of us were terrorizing her one day, shouting out this name to her in front of Yogi's, and she chased us down and smacked a few of us around. I was spared because of the connection to Susan with my brother. Years later I got to know all of the sisters well, and they were terrific. Susan still lives in Windsor Park, and has never married. I understand that Janie has not been well, but I'm not sure of this. Jill, who was beautiful, lives in Florida with her husband and two children. Their brother Jeff lives in East Brunswick, NJ and is a neighbor of my brother Joe.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 08:12:50 (MDT
Now here's a timely thread ! Remember going to the neighborhood stores to buy your mom her first Mother's Day present that came from YOU ? I walked into Nichols on 73d with a couple bucks in my pocket.That store seemed really big at the time , didn't it? Everything was laid out so nicely on the long displays for Mother's Day.I picked out a card and went up and down each isle many times.Two small interestingly shaped (very contemporary) brown glazed bud vases caught my eye.They have outlived my mom and are still displayed on a shelf in the apartment.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 08:11:39 (MDT
There is no fragrance quite like it.Smoked and pickled fish, sweet penny candy,breads and rolls, cakes and cookies ,cheeses of all kinds (the person who got the idea for vegetable cream cheese should be enshrined in glory forever) make the Appetizing store.I miss these places.I guess Zabars is the largest and most famous in this tradition.It was nice to stroll in to that dark place on 73rd and pick up a couple of those chocolate covered jelly rings and a slab of halavah.Sunday mornings saw crowds at these places, the (long) line outside Adrians , pick up the Times at Colony, a bag of just baked garlic Bagels....Oh my!
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 08:01:56 (MDT
Don- by '69 I was no longer frequenting DiGi's- I was in Cardozo & we went to Joe's on Springfield! So, I don't know you, but who could ever forget Janie?! She worked @ DiGi's before Yogi's! She was a tough cookie, but I think I was nice to her younger sister (who was also big, as was the older one!), so she had a soft spot for me! If I remember correctly, she eventualy owned the luncheonette! Jackie- I used to love those corsages! I think most of my mine were the store-bought (Colony) ones! Mine is a summer birthday, so I never had the luxury of the 205 celebration! Andrea- there were many stores on 73rd forever! Remember buying potato sticks & knishes @ the Deli?(you would always meet me there w/Cassie or Cocoa) Your bridesmaid gift came from Windsor Jewelers.(as did my 1st pair of pierced earrings & my wedding band- quite a span!)Pexson's, where Mindy & I bought our 1st denim jackets & the football jerseys with the #33 on them, & those blue gym shorts w/white stripes on them- all the fashion crazes from like 6th-8th grade!!Stewart Drugs was also there for like forever!
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 05:40:02 (MDT
Hi Larry - remember me I used to be friends with your sister and karen. We all used to sit on the bench in fron of your house.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 05:36:09 (MDT
Hey What happened to all the original people who started this and was on the earlier pages...Have they gone to another web site.. All these other people seem to be on one click from earlier times in BPG.. Come back all the other people, it was great speaking and seeing your names... Happy Summer To All! Especially the people who I grew up with in BPG..
Larry Rose <LoganZack@aol.com>
Long Beach, NY USA - Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 04:55:31 (MDT
I guess no one remembers me and Richie working at DiGi's. Anyone remember Big Janie at the corner Luncheonette?
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 22:57:10 (MDT
Chris Calbi - The playgound behind your house was where we ended up listening to the Yankee- Pittsburgh seventh game of the World Series. Your back door was open and a radio blared out the game while we played our own brand of stickball. When Mazoroski came up, we were sitting on the bench when that pipsqueak SOB #/%?*$#&*# hit the homerun to beat our Yankees. In furious disappointment and disbelief we started kicking that bench. Then Stomping on it. Then jumping and pounding on it, slowly destroying that bench to splinters. I don't know who started it or who was there,or even why, but BP never replaced that bench. Many great memories of that playground and those kids.
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 22:39:33 (MDT
Talking about the stores on 73rd - does anybody remember Daitch's. It was on the north side of the street, about 3 stores from Yogi's. Hey, all you girls - do you remember the corsages we used to wear on our birthdays? We would make them for each other and wear them in school all day. Made them with bows and ribbons and decorate the with pennies or dog biscuits or hershey's kisses or bubble gum.. and I can't even think of all the other "goodies" we would use. Then you could buy ready made corsages in Colony's
Jackie Coster Wieczkowski <jackiew48>
Massapequa, ny USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 21:29:44 (MDT
peri- thanks for the good word..how are you? haven't been on line in a couple of weeks so i am trying to catch up..will keep you posted on the reunion...i am also at the 205 site, and there is a reunion planned in july..so many people from so long ago..it really is nice. take care deb
debbie dick/kaplowitz
plainview, ny USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 17:36:28 (MDT
Berries (or were they small cherries) caused a perfectly nice tree on our back lawn to be cruelly chopped down. The fruit was getting knocked down by the birds. Neighbors complained.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 15:54:33 (MDT
All this talk about the stores on Bell and 73rd reminded me about an event that made a lasting impression. One Friday evening I was sent out to pick up our Chinese take out from the place just past 73rd. I was walking home with two bags full of hot, aromatic, and very yummy stuff anxiously awaited by the rest of the family. As I was walking past the apartment buildings, this little old Jewish man stops me and asks me if I could please stop by and make a Minyan for their Shabbat service that they were holding in one of the basement meeting rooms... apparently one of their regulars was missing... I had recently been Bar Mitzvah (at the OJC - Rabbi Isaacson) and couldn't turn him down. So there I sat, the aroma of egg rolls and barbequed pork wafting through the room, the food getting cold. Mercifully, their missing member showed up a few minutes later and I dashed home. I still chuckle when I think about it....
Michael Bodner <mbodner@worldnet.att.net>
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 15:15:12 (MDT
Diane..so THAT'S what Hydrangeas are!lol ...and you have brought back my same memory of those berries after all these years.I remember "popping" them too.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 14:38:40 (MDT
I heard about the website and finally found the time (and the correct address) to get here. It's great to see so many familiar names years later and do hope to connect with those I particularly remember. Growing up in BPG's was a wonderful experience and being back there about eight months ago brought back fond memories. Look foward to having the opportunity to reconnect and thanks to those who developed this site to relive some wonderful times.
Mark Drusin <chdog@earthlink.com>
keswick, Va USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 14:27:31 (MDT
The caterpillar talk reminds me of other BPG growing things. Remember the tiny indigo-blue berries that grew in bunches on the former perimeter bushes of the common lawns? You couldn't peel 'em, but if you squeezed 'em between your thumb and forefinger, you could really send them flying. You could stomp on them and make purple dots on the sidewalk. You could rub them on your hands and clothes and create trouble…remember the snowball bushes? I just recently learned that they're really called hydrangeas
Diane Zelman <redwood@sirius.com>
Berkeley, CA USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 14:21:30 (MDT
I have to disagree with Andrea about the stores on 73rd Ave. In fact many of those businesses were there(or still are)for many years. Yogi's, Pexsons(my brother Greg worked there), Century Drugs, Janene's Beauty Parlor, Futermans Deli, Food Fair, Adrian, The Appetizing Store, Kosher Butcher, Richands Mens Store, Nichols, Colony, Hollywood Cleaners, Whelans, Laundromat, Windsor Florist, the Shoemaker, Windsor Jewelers. I'm certain that all of these were there for at least 15 years and some as long as 25.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 11:57:22 (MDT
Caterpillars....they were either green or black and they stained the sidewalks when they were "in season". I too remember that smell of earthworms, the smell that signaled the end of a rain.....and trying not to step on them on the sidewalks. No earthworms here...the natural soil is much too dry. I guess they may be present in some lawns but I havent seen any. And Joel....the cicadas, I never saw one either but I think they look like just another cricket.We've got plenty of crickets here.I'm pretty good with a flyswatter now. I dont care what the Chinese say, I cant sleep with a cricket singing in my house. lol......Remember running down the street to get a better view of a rainbow's end and never getting to see it? Out here I often get to see the whole rainbow from end to end and sometimes double rainbows, and once in a great while, a TRIPLE rainbow....Sorry to burst some people's bubble but there aint no pot at the end.Justsome old lottery tickets.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 11:40:15 (MDT
David . . . Wasn't that Joel who used to drop caterpillars down your shirt? . . And yes Andrea, he did look exactly like Sonny Fox!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 11:23:23 (MDT
David--The caterpillars were the worst. They would either drop down free fall, or do their own version of bungee-jumping from the nearest birch tree. Sometimes they would just cover the sidewalks without any warning. At least with the earthworms, you knew they'd come out after a heavy rain. The birds would have a field day with them. Other local fauna--not like this was unique to BPG, but the cicadas, or what everyone called locusts, would signal an unbearably humid day. You could hear them but never could quite see them.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 11:21:44 (MDT
Joel...funny you mentioned the 'itchy balls'. There is a very large tree right outside my office with what blew me away when I saw them hanging this spring....itchy balls !! I hadnt seen them since leaving NY in '76. Do you remember another yucky thing hanging from the trees?.....Caterpillars....they drop down on thwe sidewalks or worse, onto you neck...yuck.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 11:13:17 (MDT
it seems to me that the stores on bell blvd were always changing hands, much as they do now. i don't believe anyone mentioned colony, though i couldve missed that. the owner looked like sonny fox and the little newsletter we got at 46 always posted a winner for some free item there (up to a certain value). you could always get one of the cheaper barbie outfits for that amount. they also had candy, but not as good as yogi's.
andrea krest <akrest411@aol.com>
westfield, nj USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 10:28:16 (MDT
Steve . . . The "bikepath" from Fresh Meadows to Creedmore Hospital, down Francis Lewis Blvd, behind 73rd Avenue ballfields and across Alley Pond Park is definitely part of the Vanderbilt Parkway. It was built by Cornelius Vanderbilt's grandson, who was an auto racing enthusiast. It was the first grade separated roadway in America (you can still see the original abutment at Creedmoor where the bikepath ends). Originally, it stretched from Flushing Meadows out to Lake Ronkonkoma. Some of the earliest auto races ever were held on it, culminating in the Vanderbilt Cup. This was the most prestigious award in racing, before the Indy 500. If you want to know more, Newsday had a piece on it about 3 months ago in their Long Islanders of the Century page.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 09:12:59 (MDT
After hearing so much about the website, I finally got here yesterday. I saw several names that I knew, and happily, I received many responses to my hello emails. We all share many beautiful memories of growing up in BPG. It strikes me as odd that most of the postings are from our friends in a particular part of the development. I hope that I can contribute to the widening out of involvement. My family lived at 69-07 Bell Blvd, right off 73rd Ave. I only see Brian Sokoloff, Ellen Shulman, Don Shulman, and the Lavigne brothers in here. We had an interesting building(31) and general area, in that there were so many boys all together there. In the strip of building 31 that was on Bell Blvd, right off the driveway there were: (69-11) Arnie and Daniel Feldstein, (69-09)Mike, Kenny, and Doug Weiner, (69-07)Joe, Greg, and Chris Calbi, (69-05)Mark and Robert Kalman, (69-01)Jeff and Leon Klarfeld, with Gary and Seth Cohen in the upstairs apartment. Surrounding us in nearby buildings were Gary and Wayne Ackerman, Arthur Bodner, Marc Isaacson, Andy and Bobby Lavigne, Mickey Kurlanzik, Paul Robbins, Billy Moran, Richard Wexler, Billy and Mark Drusin, Richie Applebaum, Barry Bassen, and Alan and Bruce Sirowitz. Just an incredible amount of boys in a small area. Like everywhere else in BPG, the action was hot and heavy. The playground behing Building 31 was the center of constant activities. Punchball, slapball, hockey,and roller derby were the activities. The driveway wall was for both American and Chinese handball, and Johnny Rides A Pony. The lawn of the court was for touch football and the dreaded "running back the kickoff", simply an excuse for the older guys to decimate the younger ones. The also feared tackle football games(with full equipment) were held at Alley Pond Park on Springfield Blvd. We were not gentle kids. I thankfully had my brother Greg to hold off the older kids, when it started getting real rough. Gary Cohen always took the worst of it, and Billy Moran held the big guys off by his incredible athletic ability. I could go on and on, and will when I have more time. We had great girls around, little league, Yogi's, Colony, Jahns, Rudys, etc. BPG was a fabulous place to grow up! I'd love to hear from anyone from the old days.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 08:24:29 (MDT
I have always heard that the "bicycle path" that began on Francis Lewis Blvd and ran through the neighborhood to the end of Alley Pond was at one time part of a road built and used by the Vanderbilts.I just looked through a 1200 page book on New York neighborhoods that didn't have a single word about it.Does anybody have information on the connection? This was a unique place and a favorite of mine.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 07:05:47 (MDT
I am very happy to see the memories of childhood have returned. As someone that has, for unknown reasons, blocked out most of my childhood memories, this place as been wonderful. From Yogi's to Larry's Records, from drag racing on the new Clearview to running lights on Union Turnpike, from riding my bike on the on Vanderbuilt Hway to wondering if I knew anyone in Creedmore, from watching my hamburger go by on a train to putting the papers together Sunday morning at Colony Card Shop, from Ingred Rothstein to Sylvia Israel, from Art Daskin to Melvin Bendowitz, from walking to JHS 74 past the “rich peoples houses”, to Jerry’s Candy Store, from Gloria Katz to Barry Geliber, from Teen Trailways Day Camp to cutting open the fence at PS 46, from The Root Beer Mines, to “itchyballs” falling from trees(we would break up them up and put the stuff down peoples shirts), from Joe the Ice cream Man, to Chow Chow Cup, from The Oakland Jewish Center to Hillside Jewish Center, from thinking of The Courts as different universes, each with its own feeling and kids, from Dennis Schnur to Barry Klein, from John the maintenance man to Walter the window washer, BPG was quite a place.
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
USA - Wednesday, May 10, 2000 at 06:01:20 (MDT
To Meryl: If you went to DiGi"s in 69 you would know me and my friend Richie. We both worked there.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 23:45:07 (MDT
I am one of the 'older' kids. I can remember the asphalt being finished in the driveways, and the fresh concrete being poured. Even took a finger full late one night out of a newly poured walkway and the scar that I left was visible all my life in BPG. It was always my secret...until now. In 1970 on a return visit they had poured asphalt over the very spot. (There is a G-d). Many more of my memories are served thru the people that were a part of my life...if any one can help me find them...PULEEEEEZ Help! Thank you Mr. Schwartz for this very generous act of LOVE.Robert Judd Carol Block Susan Purgalin Neil Bromberg Jeff Stein Eileen Ain Marsha Greenhut Joel Shayowitz (sp) Eddie Oppenheimer Robert Amira Richard Kaufman Fred Love Barry Newman Barbara Hoffman Barbara Weiner Mary Lou Keil (of Keil's Nursery) Steven Schmaderer (sp)
Chet (Chester) Elfenbein <Celf@aol.com>
Miami, FL USB (Used toBe America) - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 23:39:56 (MDT
David K Lemon Ice King is still in Corona, with the same old sour looking fellow owning it. Still won't give a napkin to anyone!! Many imitations now.
Barry Goldstein <BarryG@Lowest1.com>
Hewlett Harbor, USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 21:19:42 (MDT
David K The Chinese take out place was Mei King. Once in the mid-1960's, when picking up some food with my father, he kept looking in the back, watching one of the cooks. Before I could ask what he was looking at, he went into the kitchen and began talking with the cook. It turned out that my father, who was stationed in China, while a Marine,after WWII, recognized the cook, as the ferry boat captain in Tin Sin (Phonetic, sorry). Twenty years later and half way around the world he found an old friend, and here we are so enamoured by the "connectivity" the internet gives us.
Barry Goldstein <BarryG@Lowest1.com>
Hewlett Harbor, NY USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 21:15:08 (MDT
Anita, those pictures are great!!! As I looked at each one, I thought I saw myself in many of them, but kept changing my mind!! Until finally, I was sure that was me standing next to April Treiber in the second to the left photo, bottom row wearing a yellow shirt. Or is that someone else? I don't even know what I looked like back then!!
Elizabeth Feigelman (Klamson) <Eliz5319@CS.com>
East Meadow, NY USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 20:48:03 (MDT
hey david ... i was just browsing when i read your post about the stores on 73rd & bell ... when you have a moment, log on to the 205 site and scan old guestbook pages ... donald liebowitz has a post there where he rattles off all the stores (and their locations)!
Harris G <hgalary@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 19:23:26 (MDT
Just to add my 2 cents worth, I think this site and 205 site is great, it has helped me reconnect with a lot of people from my past, and even people that I wasn't great friends with then, but now have new found friendships. It's fun to reminish, but it's better making new memories with everyone too.
Lauren <Laurrun1@aol.com>
Commack, USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 19:16:18 (MDT
At what age were you when you realized that those red bits of meat that you loved in chinese food was pork? I don't think I put it together until I was in high school. I also remember reading the tailights of cars to get the year the car was made, and after a while, I could tell you the year, make and model of nearly every car that drove by. My dad used to work on his car in front of the house, constantly fiddling with everything. Paddle ball was played on one wall, not four, ealry Sunday morning. I used to get my sneakers re-treaded with old tires. The sneakers were black high canvas tops, and were called "skips", which was what you called a no-name brand. A no-name brand was something other than keds, converse, or PF flyers (some called the PF Flyers skips).
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 18:34:47 (MDT
What was the name of that Chinese takeout place on Bell Blvd,just south off 73rd ave. ? Can anyone remember some or all of the businesses in those centers, in order. At one time, it would have been so easy, now it's a dim memory.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 17:07:28 (MDT
Or how about sitting down at the counter and watching a strawberry malted(my personal favorite) get poured into a Coke style glass.And....they sat the stainless steel Hamilton Beach cup down on the counter so you could pour out the 'extra' malted. How nice. Nowadays, if you order a shake or juice drink, they pour out the extra juice into a sink before you can say stop!
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 14:18:40 (MDT
Yogi's: going there with my dad at about 11pm on a Saturday to get the "Sunday" paper! Sitting at the counter and ahving a plate of fries with an egg-cream or Lime Rickey after playing ball at the 205 night program.
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 14:11:55 (MDT
Dave, thanks for the memory ...remember Lime Ricky's or just going to Yogis and getting French Fries and a Coke...and change back from the dollar. A few months ago I passed by the deli and couldn't help but getting a frank with mustard and sauerkraut...but i didn't get any change back from the dollar I gave him.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 13:57:55 (MDT
Hey Steve... can you remember how many of those little wax 'soda" bottles' you bouight in Yogi's over the years? I think they came in little packs of 5 different flavors. Now of course,we know enough to not let our kids drink that junk.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 13:41:31 (MDT
The other night I was back in the 'ole hood visiting my mom and I had to go to "Yogis" now Petes Cafe for something. I don't think I've been in that place since in became a cafe. While I was waiting inside I was imagining what it was like when it was Yogis. I looked out the front door and imagined all of us who use to hang out there...when it was difficult to get into the stroe...remember that ?? Its only "all of us" who would have the memories of yesteryear about the ole hood. Its that which we all share and no one can ever take that away from us. That's what this site is all about. I thank everyone who sparks our imagination and memory into the past. I've listened to the bickering about postings that goes on here but I'm able to read and enjoy only those postings of the memories we all share.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 13:28:17 (MDT
Had to jump on the "food memory" bandwagon! Remember walking to Digi's for lunch from PS205? You could get 2 slices & a drink for like $1.00!! Also- just being able to leave elementary school @ lunch time is unheard of these days! Another fond Bayside memory is getting a just dipped Brown Bonnet cone from Mr. Softie. It was a tough choice for me- getting those lemon ices (& yes I was one of the ones who turned it over to eat the slushy stuff first!), or the Brown Bonnet! Back in those days, we were only allowed to buy once a day- choosing which truck was the tough choice!
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 12:45:48 (MDT
Chris Calbi . . Now there's a name I haven't heard in many a moon. How the hell are you? . . I bring greetings and info from Costa Rica! E-mail me!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 09:03:00 (MDT
I've heard so much about this site, but I've been too busy to get here until now. I'm sure some will remember me and my family. The only thing I can think of that might spark a few memories of my family, is that we always had the only Xmas lights on Bell Blvd. We lived in Building 31 at 69-07 Bell Blvd, right off 73rd Ave. I loved my years in Bell Park, and cherish the memories of the families there. My Dad is still there, and I visit quite often.
Chris Calbi <ccalbi@rcsltd.net>
Tenafly, NJ USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 07:58:22 (MDT
Stu Schneider - why don't you e-mail my Dad with your idea He'd love to hear from you and maybe it will encourage him to get back to posting on the site. His address is: . On his recent return from Miami he was threatening an Elian diatribe, which I tried to discourage, that not being a suitable topic for the guestbook. But now that there's an Open Forum, I'm thinking he should probably write and regale everyone with his vituperative thoughts on the subject. Also, for those of you who have not ye visited the TOTCOF, please stop by and a little food memory wouldn't hurt. Larry's done a wonderful, generous and open thing for us all, and has become a hero in his own hometown.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 02:58:32 (MDT
the "Lemon Ice King" is still in Corona. (yum) A real good Italian resturant is across the street "The Parkside".
Kevan Schaum <Boyshkin@msn.com>
New Windsor, NY USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 02:37:44 (MDT
"Lemon Ice King"....that's it. Are they still there? I could use one now. We have been unusually hot for May, 97,98,99 degrees and the thought of going to Corona sounds delicious right now.
David krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Tuesday, May 09, 2000 at 00:29:38 (MDT
Ed--Is there any way of creating a roster of likely reunion attendees, assuming the reunion is an appropriate topic. It would be interesting to get an idea in advance about who will be showing up in the old neighborhood. I will probably be an undecided right up until the end. I am contemplating a quickie trip to NYC and coincidentally plan the trip for reunion weekend. If I am in town, with my oldest son, I will definitely try to make it to the reunion for a couple of hours, especially for a hot softball game.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 23:47:56 (MDT
I remember Howie's family's peach tree in the old court off 218th st. It actually produced fruit and looked really cool however fragile in the sloping grass beyond his stoop.I don't think it lasted for too many years in our climate.Bell Park always had a nice variety of greenery.Remember the Junipers that used to be in every court? Remember the white trelises for rose bushes ? I guess this was in the '50s.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 23:08:23 (MDT
Anita..thanks for the photos, they were great, but where is the one of Karen Lederer dressed in a ?.....................Pictures like these are a big draw as they were in the early days of this site and have brought out comments by a dozen LURKERS...As one who participated frequently at the start, checking everyday for names I knew, I find myself now, occasionaly scanning thru the rubbish, still looking for familiar names...Larry, Mr. Webmaster, whatever your visions might be, I think you have them in focus.
Jeff Schwartz <Jeffideo@aol.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 22:55:57 (MDT
Francine Hochvert - Great idea about publishing - what's your dad been up to lately, I'm sure he needs something to keep busy with. See if he can get his old publishing hat on and work with some of this stuff. Maybe it will become a movie. Hmmm. Who will play Ed Lapal?
Stu Schneider <schneiss@aol.com>
Levittown, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 22:13:03 (MDT
Still up to only April 24 ..... Michale Dulberg: Well said regarding your response to Brian's diatribe. I'm no great fan of Hillary and wouldnt send her a nickel, but I must say "Cheers" to you. Proud to say I lived next to you all those years.
Stu Schneider <schneiss@aol.com>
Levittown, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 22:05:52 (MDT
Larry, This is my first time on thw site in several weeks. I am only up to April 25th so I dont know the end to the "posting restrictions" episode. But thought I'd just throw my 2 cents in with everyone elses. First, A rowsing thanks to Larry for giving us this site. It is a joy to relive names, places and events that are fond memories for many of us. Thee are so many reminders of our growing up, our happy days, our trying days and for manuy of us, fond reminders of our parents, some of whom are gone and some of whom post here, some of who ask their childres and grandchildren to post for them. Thanks to Larry. My second 2 cents is that it is the regular babble and silliness along with the all other fund postings that are worth reading. I will tell you that I have spoken to some folks who do not post but read all the time. So, keep the postings going. If costs for running the site is an issue, you should say so to us all. I am sure there will be some way to resolve it. To put it short, "If it aint broke, dont fix it!".
Stu Schneider <schneiss@aol.com>
Levittown, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 21:48:18 (MDT
Gee, I dunno . . First, I get reamed for telling too many and too long stories about days long ago. Now I'm being told that I should only post about the old days! You can't win but for the losing . . . Personally, I just ran out of things to say about growing up in Bell Park and I was so enjoying reading about all your beautiful homes and varied lives! . . David, here's a story you'll like about the Lemon Ice King of Corona. My Dad used to take me there when I was a kid. We went there on a lark once in December (why I'll never know). Anyway, my Dad engages the owner in conversation and next thing I know we're invited into the back room. Seems that during the winter when demand is down for ices, he uses the big stainless steel vats to produce wine. Wine that'll put hair on your chest. It was Christmastime, so he gave us a bottle . . I remember that as a particularly warm winter.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 20:17:56 (MDT
The Open Forum is now open to discuss any topic. Lets try to keep this board for memories. Thanks.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 20:09:55 (MDT
Hey Debbie u r a really good sport...im glad anita didnt have any pictures of ME in a bathing suit...id have to send a virus to the website...only kidding of couse..u all looked great...if i looked that good at that age i would be proud to have a bathing suit picture posted anywhere...tell your daughter that!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 19:26:21 (MDT
anita- great pictures..i can't stop laughing...and there were pictures of my party at rudy's on springfield blvd...i remeber my mom had all my friends there because i was in the hospital with mono that year and she wanted to take all of my friends out to celebrate that i was o.k if you were really my friend you would have lost the one of me in that stunning bathing suit. my daughter is still laughing. thank you for bringing back so many good memories!
debbie dick/kaplowitz
plainview, USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 19:22:26 (MDT
Im just curious how come noone is signing up for the reunion...is anyone going???anyone interested in discussing that???there is a sign up sheet on the bulletin board for those of u that are not aware of it...webmaster how bout posting a reminder notice on top (maybe where u used to have voting for most famous bell pg'er) As far as what is discussed on these site...personally i enjoy everyones comments whether past or present...its great to see familiar names and hook up with old friends and neighbors...there is a chat room on the site for those who are interested and if it really bothers people to see certain issues well i guess they can skip over those postings...i visit and read everyday and am actually dissappointed when there is nothing new to read whether old or new...id hate to see this page deserted due to too many rules and regulations...lets just keep going with it
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, ny USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 19:21:56 (MDT
I have waited all day to see the reactions to this re-evaluation of TOTC.I am grateful to Larry for setting this unique place in motion. Having explored the near and far reaches of the Internet I can comfortably say that this little atol is my absolute favorite spot.Reading through the recent postings I have seen each person whose contribution has allowed me to go back in to the collective past and unearth the suppressed and forgotten.I feel changed inside and maybe I've freed up some neurons in the process.I have taken part in many discussions, some philosophical, some political with interest and respect for the passions of the participants.We've experienced as adults being dropped into the sandbox with the other boys and girls, fighting it out and learning how to play together.While I have appreciated the digressions as evidence of expansion and evolution I can understand the value to everyone of having a place to dive into the past.It would be very satisfactory to me to have a special place to share in the preset . debate issues , talk about parenting and celebrate who we have become.For this to work it is vital to allow the past to stay in the past, avoiding crossposting to the inappropriate board.This is done all the time across internet discussion groups.I think if we all can keep our recollections separate from other musings we can enjoy an even better site and have a wonderful place to be creative, imaginative and goofy.I have felt very proud to be among you all again.This is the neighborhood.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 18:44:07 (MDT
I am one of the lurkers who has contributed to the nearly 100,000 hits but who only occasionally submits a message. What I value most about this site is that it has facilitated contact with friends and acquaintances from my childhood. I really don't think I would ever have found these people in any other way. That is why I check in so regularly. I am hoping to see the name of someone else I know who has found the site. At the beginning, I read all of the posts, and especially enjoyed the reminiscing. Lately, I read some, but scroll through most, looking for familiar names. I wonder if there are others like me out there who might appreciate whatever system would make it easiest for us to find our friends and be found by them? Anyway, it has been a warm and fascinitating process and I appreciate all the work and attention to make it possible.
Fern Fisher <FernFisher@aol.com>
Brookline, MA USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 15:47:45 (MDT
I guess that I can be considered as one of the "lurkers" that used to post and now I just Lurk and read. I am a little younger than most of you and just enjoy reading about some of the experiences in the old neighborhood. I truly enjoyed Ed's ramblings, they were quite humorous and even educational to some degree. I even enjoyed Dene's occasional squabbles. Those are just some of the things that make this site very unique, and have now seemed to disappear. I have mixed feelings about the webmasters requests. Let's face it ladies and gents, he is the sole owner and proprietor of this site. HE can shut it down whenever he pleases. I feel very bad that people seem to think that they can tell him what to do with his opinions of how he feels this site should be run. The suggestion he has about different guestbooks is valid. Anyway, I am now rambling. There is no reason I have not posted for a long time, just ran out of things to say... I will continue to "Lurk, and chime in when i feel I have something to contribute. Regards to all that know me, and even to those that don't
Stacy Wolff <Stacy.wolff@csfb.com>
manalapan, NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 15:02:36 (MDT
Elliott Lewkow.....I loved Cola flavored Marinos Ice cups too.....I would flip it over when it softened to get at that gooey frozen syrup before it all melted. My second favorite flavor was and still is grape, lemon is neck and neck with the grape. The other popular brand was 'Centrone's". (A few years ago, I discovered Marino's at the Price Club here, but they had it for only a very short time.) Later on, as an adult,I was introduced to "Corona Ice King", which I believe is still there. Now those people really know what Italian ices are meant to be. If I think hard,I can still hear that annoying Mr. Softee jingle over and over and over again. Argggghhhh.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 14:43:27 (MDT
There have been many times I've posted on here and the 205 site that I have intentionaly, tried to tie my entry into some form of recollection, of the old neighborhood. I did that to try to keep in spirit with the Homepage requests to add my memories of growing up. There certainly have been times, that I did not as I became involved with either humorous or thoughtful "threads". All in all I thought the reconnection of people from the neighborhood was the most valuable product of the effort. If the intention of Larry is to limit or "tunnelvision" the site to a very specific purpose, I think that will surely alienate many, who have through their efforts helped the site have a life of it's own. Like a parent.. you can restrict your children to how you want them to be.. or let them evolve into creative, intelligent, productive beings. But Larry is not our parent.. and this site is his creation. If one wishes to adhere to Larry's vision and can think of meaningful memories of Bayside which have not been expressed.. then do it. If not.. then respect his wishes, however at odds with what you want to do, that may be.....by the way.. I saw Hendrix open for The Monkees at Forest Hills Stadium.. he was playing to the wrong audience.. but went on to become legendary! The Monkees went on to Sat. morning TV.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 12:45:02 (MDT
Howie: How about identifying some of those people in the pictures. I know I will be seeing some many of them this weekend.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 12:35:21 (MDT
My many thanks to ANITA. Your pictures brought back so many great memories.I do hope ALL of the old gang are well. I would love to hear from all of you.It would be great to see you all again at another party.I wish you all the best!!!!
Howard Hamburger <rareh>
Coral Springs, FL USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 12:08:46 (MDT
Larry, I find myself agreeing with almost everyone's view of what this site is or should be....including your's. Everyone seems to have a valid point here.The site has evolved, that's obvious. We are all grown up now and want to communicate with each other as adults living in the here and now, about just like we did in our past lives as kids.And most love to talk of our memories...that's what brought us all here.There shouldnt be a constraint on this freeflow.....people love this medium and have a lot to say to each other.But your original idea of a site for shared memories of our neighborhood is an idea most of us...and hopefully newbies too, have come to cherish. ....So maybe your idea to create an open ended sister site is an idea whose time has come....maybe that can work. You can't please everyone ...but I'm open to the idea...I'm not strongly in favor of it, but I'd vote to try it if others feel the need to keep postings limited to our memories. But do remember the words of Rick Nelson's song "Garden Party"...."...if memories were all I'd sing, I'd rather drive a truck !".
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 12:00:12 (MDT
But, Larry, I'll again ask why some people felt they had to stop posting. The audience is ALL of us. Maybe all the stories that were worth telling have been exhausted. And if they haven't, then why aren't they being told by the very people who say they exist? Either way, you'll have an exclusive club--it is up to everyone to take initiative and post away. I don't think there's ever been any evidence of anyone who had a story to tell not being allowed to tell it.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 11:36:00 (MDT
Great idea, Larry! Have the TOTC guestbook continue to serve as a repository for memories of growing up in BPG, and a second guestbook for who we are and what we're doing & thinking now. There may even be those of us who become addicted to both! I don't think an entire new site is necessary, just another part of this one. By the way, I agree with Ed, if cost is a factor, I'll be glad to chip in. And Helen PLEASE do not leave; you are too valuable a voice to lose! How about you lurkers and old-timers (all of 8 months old) chiming in here, so we know what you think about this idea? We are approaching the 100,000 mark and except for Helen, no one has responded to the idea of publishing (web and/or print) selections as a milestone marker. Let's hear from you all so we can get some plan going. :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 11:35:02 (MDT
Mike D. amply describes both what the site has become (why he likes it) and its main problem (why so many have left). At the start, there was excitement. In fact, people were so excited by the site that they used to print out the guestbook at work to read it to their spouses because they had no computer at home. That was when the discussion involved stories of growing up in the ole neighborhood. No more. The topic (i.e. the connection and attraction to the site) has gone adrift. With all due respect, the uniqueness of this site is NOT that it is a free for all community chat. It is a given that the posts have been thoughtful, eloquent, expressive, poetic... but in the end, off topic. However elegant the discourse, it is nothing more because it is off topic. Did you know that Jimi Hendrix opened 10 shows for the Monkees before quiting? The audience would sing along with him changing the lyrics to "Foxy Davy". Hendrix was great but he was playing to the wrong audience. Your posts have been great, but the audience for this site was drawn to it not becuase of its eloquence, but because of the memories it sparked. The uniqueness of this site is its ATTEMPT TO REVIVE THE MEMORIES OF GROWING UP IN BELL PARK. Reliving these memories through stories on this guestbook and the photos that people have sent in is what will keep this site from devolving into just another Internet chat room. Recognizing that there are in essence two audiences, I am pondering the opening of another guestbook that will be open for anyone. In this way, this guestbook can remain dedicated to reliving the old memories. More to come after feasibility studies are complete.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 11:17:04 (MDT
Jerry, I am very much in agreement with your posting-I enjoy this site and the 205 site because quite simply it has allowed me to re-connect with long lost friends, yet I have come to realize that not everyone feels the same way as I do. I think there are many people{for a variety of reasons} that don't feel the same emotional connections to their days of youth that most of the contributors to this site feel. To each is own, I guess. I also think these things have an ebb-n-flow to them and that recollections usually come in a flood and then recede for a while-I'll bet that after your reunion this site will be very heavy with postings and more recollections. One piece of advice I would have to those that lurk but don't chime in anymore-contact folks privately if you don't want to post. When you have a free-form discussion group you are always going to have stuff written that someone doesn't agree with...nobody says you ahve to respond to it.
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 11:13:55 (MDT
Although I don't disagree with what's been said in principle by the last few posters, I think the discussion would be incomplete without those who posted here previously, and no longer do because they perhaps feel left out in some way. I really think that's their problem; however, I have discussed alot of this with Larry via e-mail and won't mention any details here. I have always felt that everyone was welcome here, the occasional juvenile squabble notwithstanding. So, rather than prejudge any wish of Larry's, I want to call out those who have felt alienated by the current style this list appears to have taken. One other thing. Not all of us consider those days the happiest times of our lives, and consider it a major triumph that we could break free of the old neighborhood and appreciate it with the perspective of people who recognize that the world is bigger than Bayside. The whole purpose of reconnecting for me has been to see if people I never would have thought of being friendly with in the past would have more in common with me now. And, I've been plesantly surprised. It's a shame that more people culdn't have been more accepting of that idea.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 09:10:44 (MDT
The uniqueness of this site is that people can communicate on any subject they wish. We really don't need anyone policing the site to make sure we are discussing the "designated topic" any more than we need anyone determining how many posts per week are appropriate. We are almost at 100,000 hits precisely because of the open and frank discussion on this site.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 08:53:55 (MDT
Dear Webmaster . . . I have to agree with Helen on this one. I truly do not understand the point of limiting discourse solely to memories of the old neighborhood. We just came off of two highly successful forays into (1) reality - a description of our respective homes, and (2) imagination - the Starship Rokeach, carrying us into the outer realm of the nebula tsuris. Why on earth (excuse the pun) would we want to turn the clock all the way back? . . . Pardon me for saying this Larry, but is there a hidden agenda here? Three weeks ago you asked for a voluntary once a week posting per member, which was promptly ignored. Now you ask that content be limited to memories only. What gives? I'm beginning to think Mitch was right on the money. If it's cost that's the issue, I will gladly contribute my fair share (perhaps 10c per post) to maintenance of the website.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 08, 2000 at 08:11:55 (MDT
Only 4,000 hits untill 100,000
Len Shain <LenardShain@hotmail.com>
Sunrise, FL USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 23:33:24 (MDT
Oh well,,,I feel very sad about this. Its been fun Ya'll. But I think I'll pass on de'ja vu all over again.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 23:07:50 (MDT
hats off to all of you for your spirit, your memories and your willingness to keep sharing all of it. This site has gotten me in touch with people i have not seen nor spoken to in over 20 years and they live in my own back yard, down here in sunny florida. The world of Bayside as we knew it is getting smaller and smaller all the time. What a wonderful way to stay in touch. Thanks for the memories. Joyce Blavat joygar@aol.com
JOYCE LEVITT BLAVAT <JOYGAR@AOL.COM>
COCONUT CREEK, FL USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 18:41:54 (MDT
It's a hot, humid & sweaty day out here...perfect for ice cream. My top 5 ice cream guys while growing up: #1 Pete the Ice Cream Man; liked kids, had a thick accent(it was Italian, right?)and had THE best Italian ices anywhere. They came in a green cup(Marino's?) and coka-cola was my favorite). If you ate your way down to the bottom half inch you were rewarded with one of the great gastronomic delights of all-time; shards of syrupy, icy coke. Or if you couldn't wait to dig your way down you could "flip" the ices and start with the bottom. Lemon was my second choice. A close second was the legendary Joe Bovino; great guy; always upbeat, gave you stuff if you didn't have enough money. Mr. Softee at #3 was tremendous for shakes. Next would be Bungalow Bar & Good Humor. Enjoy the summer!
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 15:50:10 (MDT
Wow! I just found out about this website from Marc Gottesman. I moved out of Bell Park Gardens in 1969 for a taste of the suburban life in Long Island. My fondest memories, however, are of growing up in BPG with a group of very special kids. I am now a dentist and live and work in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I am married and I have 3 children. No, my wife Diane, did not come from BPG. I heard that there is going to be a reunion in Alley Pond Park and I am very interested in going. Please contact me. I re-met Rebecca Felner 10 years ago, and when we saw each other, we both said at the same time "You got so tall." That's it for now. Looking forward to hearing from you guys.
Joel Sokol <drsokool@aol.com>
Brooklyn, NY USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 15:37:35 (MDT
Paul Roth if your board is for progressive improvements then maybe you should start focusing on the plumbing and electricity in these apartments instead of electrifing garage doors. The building accross from me has severe plumbing problems to the extent that almost every apartment needed repairs in the past couple of months. The electricity in my apartment is so good that the door bells stop working once a month for the past year and your unable to repair the problems... gee how much longer till we see a fire because of these electric problems.....the land scape has fallen to last place as far as neighboring coops are concerned, don't take my word about it listen to others that have posted here on this site, for example Michael Bricker a former long time Bell Parker says when he comes in from Korea to visit his family here he could hardly reconize the place.... its true, really. These apartments are 50 years old!!!!! The plumbing and electrical wirings are screaming for help lets not wait till all of the old timers are dead and buried so that the new comers here could get a chance to live under the same nice conditions you old timers are all so willing to brag about. Bell Park could still be saved!!!!! Don't wait till we have to remorgage this property to do it!!!! P.S. Larry please don't remove this posting..... I think this really effects everyone especially those that still live here...... thank you
ack
USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 15:22:06 (MDT
Always a man of fashion, I remember well choosing the very eyeglass frames I am sporting in Anita's fabulous pictures. "These squinty black frames will stand the test of time," I remember telling my optomotrist, even though others scoffed. "This timeless look is the reason we must travel from Bayside all the way to the lower east side of New York to get my glasses," I would tell my parents. "I will be popular and all the girls will want to date me. And they make me look very, very smart." Was I right or what?
stu levin <stulevin@hotmail.com>
fort salonga, ny USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 13:57:19 (MDT
"I saw a picture of you....those were the happiest days of my life" -- from Back on the Chain Gang, Chrissy Hind
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 11:51:19 (MDT
Lets try to get this site back where it started. I posted a slew of pictures that will surely bring back old times. Please keep posts on topic. The topic is, as the link above states: PLEASE ADD YOUR MEMORY OF GROWING UP IN BELL PARK. I am happy for all the people that connected, but please do not clutter this board to continue that connection to discuss subjects that are off topic. There is email and other boards for that. Thank you.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 11:38:42 (MDT
To Ed Lapal: Thank You for your kind words of congratulations. But, I must disagree with you, Bell Park is the finest housing development in NY State, not NYC. Thanks, its teamwork that gets the job done. I consider my Board a Progressive one with a view towards making improvements a reality. In the beginning many had the vision and were carrying the torch. Your Dad, Max Felder,Murray Dulberg, Sam Wiener, Sid Schneider and Hal Hochvert were just a few of those cooperators who were deeply involved in the affairs of Bell Park. What I'm trying to say is that it is the 800 families residing here that made and will continue to make our beautiful community the " Pearl of Bayside ". Happy Mothers Day to all you MOMS out there. Best Wishes to all.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 20:46:42 (MDT
Just got an email from my brother Harris about this website. We lived in Windsor Oaks and my Mom still lives there. There are a lot of familiar names on this list. I am Internet Manager for a large Chrysler Jeep Dealership and have been here in the sunny south for the last 10 years. My 1st husband was Harvey Frankel, and my best friends were Linda Popock, Judy Price, Beverly Spertel. Went to 74 like all the rest of you and graduated MVB in 66. Would love to hear from anyone out there of my generation.
Ronnie Galary Pacifico <rp529@bellsouth.net>
Coral Springs, FL USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 17:12:27 (MDT
Wow, Anita, those pictures were great. You, Linda Belkin, Linda Friedman, Leslie Shedlin, etc. Are those really Diane Moss and Ellen Liben? It looked to me like some of those pix might've been from a Bar Mitz? Thanks for sharing 'em.
andrea krest <akrest411@aol.com>
westfield, nj USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 15:13:07 (MDT
I hope everyone enjoys viewing the photos I sent in. They sure were taken a long time ago. I even surprised myself - I thought I was always a blonde!! Some of the pictures were taken at Jahn's and some are from a slumber party but I can't remember where? Maybe Diane's...anyone know for sure? There is Linda Friedman's house and Ronni Tobet's party. All taken around '67/'68? We had some great times and I'd love to see some postings of memories sparked from the pictures.
Anita Nifoussi Neubauer <Aneetie1@aol.com>
Springfield, NJ USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 14:50:39 (MDT
Maxine--Barry Berger is still in touch with Ian Zimmerman, but can not be coaxed to make an appearance here. ANd, that was my first thought about Stuie after seeing the class pictures posted. Those glasses are the real deal. Stuie--If you still have them, you could make a profit off them!
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 10:40:59 (MDT
I just viewed Anita's photos. Two comments; Stuie Levin, it looks like your glasses are back in style and where is Barry Berger?
Maxine Liebhaber Kerschner <MSLK26@aol.com>
Woodmere, NY USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 08:09:55 (MDT
Hey all. Anita sent in some AMAZING photos. Click here to view them or go to View Photos and choose Anita's All Stars. Hopefully, this will get the talk back on track. This site was beginning to remind me of Charles Kuralt on the road. I was hoping to keep this a memories site, a nostalgia site, as in memories of the old neighborhood. That is the reason I don't post current photos. Take a look at Anita's All Stars and lets see if we can get some stories about those days.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 07:37:20 (MDT
The way I remember it, Palladin attended Queensborough Community College, never graduated and then departed for his new home of San Francisco, where he took up the career of being a gun for hire.
David Gross <JetsGuy@aol.com>
Los Angeles, Ca USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 06:45:34 (MDT
Oops.. I see Don covered the San Francisco thing...ok..ok..ok..so here's another. What was the servant called in later episodes?
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 03:53:58 (MDT
Hey Ed... (try Hey Boy)..... Don.. Ed says he went to Harvard. What prestigious institution did Paladin attend? And for both of you.. what city was he based in as a gunfighter?
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 03:47:37 (MDT
To Lefty and all totc friends: The "I Love You" and "Love Letter" virus's seem to be REAL. They are coming up on big name Banks and private companies in Nassau County. I know this for a fact. Maybe it is just a farce but who knows? We are meeting new and old friends on totc, many with strange addresses. If I didn't hear about this and received an e-mail saying "Love Letter" I would have thought it was Ed playing a joke. Not picking on Ed, just trying to prove my point! BE CAREFUL! To Ed: What was Paladin's servant's name in San Fransisco?
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Saturday, May 06, 2000 at 00:07:10 (MDT
HI .. This message has nothing to do with the I-LOVE-YOU Virus ...... GOOD SHABBAS !!!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, May 05, 2000 at 14:04:18 (MDT
One of Mith Edelson's classmates checking in. Happy Bithday to Danny B.!!!!
Mark Cukierman <bubsmachin@aol.com>
Wayne, NJ USA - Friday, May 05, 2000 at 13:06:42 (MDT
Mitch Edelson--Where have you and your classmates gone?? When you all left, this list became a "private conversation". You all need to return so this can look more like pages 1-4.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, May 05, 2000 at 10:26:00 (MDT
Sorry to interrupt your private conversation. Happy Birthday to that new dad Dano....Bid
Mitch Edelson
Wayne, NJ USA - Friday, May 05, 2000 at 06:28:26 (MDT
Helen.. Thank You!.. You Too. I have over the years been mistaken quite often for Steven Spielberg especially when I wear a baseball cap.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Friday, May 05, 2000 at 02:58:17 (MDT
Congratulations Paul Roth. Eighteen years as President of BPG Bd. of Directors! You are either a glutton for punishment . . or you are doing an excellent job . . . I happen to think it is the latter! Bell Park looks great and is obviously being run very well. In my humble opinion, it is still the very best housing value in all New York City!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 23:00:23 (MDT
Mitch . . . That's funny! I'm often mistaken for Ricky Martin . . Now I just sign his name and get on with my life. LOL
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 21:17:16 (MDT
Been gone a few days, but not much has changed. Which brings to mind an e-mail I just received from a friend, a quote from, of all people, Muhammed Ali: "The man who views the world at fifty the same way he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life". Not that I'm sure how old you all are, or that the schoolyard ball debates are not cutting edge up to the minute news, but if the shoe fits? Thanks to all of you who have written privately. I'll save a pineapple and a bleeding heart rant for each one of you. And Helen and David, I'm still working on te next installment of the saga, so please be patient.There may even be a prequel. :o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 19:28:50 (MDT
CELEBRITIES...let's not go there! in malibu they look at you funny if you're not a celebrity. there are more famous people per capita in 90265 than in 90210. here in my "home-town" i'm often mistaken for mandy patinkin (who lives in new york)...i used to say i'm not him...now i just sign autographs as mandy...besides, i sing better than he does anyway.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 18:51:00 (MDT
Just want to inform all that I have been re-elected to the Board of Directors. This marks my 28th year of service to the BPG Community. I was also re-elected Board of Directors President for the 18th one year term.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 18:30:15 (MDT
Please display pages.
Hal Hochvert <halvert82@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 18:11:11 (MDT
Can you tell me where to get Lox on Io ? And don't forget to tell him to slice it THIN .
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 17:17:38 (MDT
Thanks.......I had to get back to making a living in order to fund my expensive hobby, which is posting on this site. Every once in a while though, I will have to take time off from the site to go make some money...remember what that was like ED? ...Please call off the posse.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 15:11:04 (MDT
Harris: You should live long and prosper....
Helen Behar <sabehar@sarc.org>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 14:52:05 (MDT
Well you know Ed.. you are correct... I think the Star Trek crew got those little outfits they wear down on Orchard Street.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 14:27:48 (MDT
David . . . Nice to see you back. Where have you been? We were going to send a posse after you!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 13:58:23 (MDT
And ED........ don't forget Paul Mcartney has spent a lot of time at his home just a couple of miles from my house. His wife Linda died in that house. She especially loved Tucson. There are occasional "sightings" at the local Circle K. ....Other celebrities living in my neigborhood are Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner. They live across the street and around the corner. I have met them personally.
David Krizman <davidk@theriver.com>
Tucson, AZ USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 13:07:45 (MDT
Randy . . . So, John McEnroe owns a house down the block from you! Do you know Rona (Krizman) Pepper? Cal Ripken Jr. owns a house up the street from her! The only famous person living near me is Andrea Krest's sister! . . . I thought McEnroe owns a condo in SoHo. You mean he owns two homes? How DECADENT . . oops, sorry.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 12:49:45 (MDT
Harris . . . That better be wholesale. Everyone knows no self-respecting Bell Parker buys retail!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 11:38:47 (MDT
Or should that be Wholesale?
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 11:35:05 (MDT
Star Date...2051.. the crew takes over their new ship called "The Retail Enterprise" and heads out to aid a an ancient befuddled race called The Ferklempt.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 11:29:56 (MDT
Eddie The plane crashed in the woods behind my house. John McEnroe, not his dad, owns the house down the bock from the crash. His front lawn however was set up as a temporary morgue. It was quite a mess considering that there is only one small road in and out. They had to cut the plane up to get it out. If anyone is planning a trip to Columbia don't fly Avianca. They obviously have a problem with their gas gauges. The good part is that the plane didn't burn and there were a lot of survivors.
Randy Pullman <rpullman@optonline.net>
Oyster Bay, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 09:44:50 (MDT
Randy . . . At the time of the Avianca plane crash, the newspapers reported that it landed on the property of John McEnroe's father's house. What's the real poop on that? Was it your backyard, but you just weren't famous yet?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 09:03:09 (MDT
Randy Pullman--Were you actually living there (at home) when the plane crashed. I'll never forget that picture of the plane's front half resting nearly straight up on the hillside. The plane simply ran out of gas because the pilot never adequately communicated with the tower at JFK that he needed emergency clearance. It was a miracle more people weren't affected on the ground. Another Star Trek sub-plot: Peace is maintained with the Klingons after Capt Manischewitz offers to market a new variety of Klingon Blood Wine. The marketing slogan "Today is a good day to dine (you Star Trek fans will know what that refers to)".
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 08:43:58 (MDT
Mad Magazine's 1960s spoof of Star Trek was titled "Star Blecchhh". In one scene, someone says something that startles Mr. Spock, who responds, "I can't believe my ears". To which of course, Captain Kirk says, "I can't believe them either!" I keep telling my kids how enriching reading can be. This only proves the point!
stu levin <stulevin@hotmail.com>
fort salonga, ny USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 07:58:20 (MDT
Don . . . they all wore black . . . Randy . . . I know you only live about ten miles east of me off of Northern Blvd. But Cove Neck - HOO HA!! Listen, I've got my own futon now.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 07:33:18 (MDT
I have really enjoyed all the narrations of everone's locales. I will share mine when I have more time - (off to meeting hell today), but I did want to share that flying out of NY (LGA) yesterday I had the most beautiful site of the whole island of Manhattan, going west and looking south. What an incredible 'work' NYC is! And with the view so clear all the way south the Verazanno Bridge floating on the horizon is was truly like flying through heaven. Anyway.....lol Harris, I graduated Cardozo in 74 - Randy, your name is familiar but I'm not sure.
Alan Leibowitz
On The Road, - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 06:23:13 (MDT
In order to find out what tsuris is i think you'd have to ask the "mother" ship...oy she's got so much!!!
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 05:39:05 (MDT
Is "TSURIS" a galaxy or a nebula?
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 05:23:37 (MDT
Star Schlep . . . The epic tale of a spacecraft that is always lost. And such a mess, you shouldn't know from it! . . Captain's log 2020, tonight's episode features Mollie Goldberg as Mamaleh Sadie, whose mission is to bring chicken soup to the cosmos. However, even Mamaleh Sadie refuses to intervene when an epidemic of hemorriods breaks out on Uranus!!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 05:18:14 (MDT
Randy.. My wife Dianna was in an out of PDX today and then drove up to WA state.. but thanks for the hospitality. As far as Cardozo.. I think you are remembering my brother Alan who would have graduated in '75. I am a proud VB '69er.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 02:49:36 (MDT
To Jerry and Helen: Can I be "Goy" Vader on the starship? I have a trivia question based on Ed's past post about "Have Gun Will Travel" with Richard Boone as Paladin. What does Paladin, Zorro (Guy Madison), Chris (Yul Brenner in Magnificent Seven and WestWorld Movies),Darth Vader and Don Guillium (had to throw my name in)have in common? To Ed: Your Dad was also Editer of Bell Park News in 59? Ask him if he remembers my parents Fred and Alice Guillium. My brother Freddy was one of the first babies born in bpg.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Thursday, May 04, 2000 at 00:11:50 (MDT
Harris...When you or your wife come through Portland, look me up. You and i were in some classes together if I recall. I graduated Cardozo in 1975. Ray, I obviously must second that opinion on the Grand Canyon, since I was there with on numerous occasions. How about the time I jumped onto that little cliff, grabbed a bush which promptly uprooted, and was on my way down for a one mile trek when I lucked out hitting that ledge? You should have seen the look on your face, not to mention my underwear!....Gish
Randy "Gish" Geller <rgeller@cyberhighway.net>
Beaverton, OR USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 23:41:03 (MDT
To Michael D: Your post reminded me of the oxymoron: "Legal Brief" ;-)
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 20:55:12 (MDT
Its great reading about all these wonderful parts of the country. I somehow choose to stay in New York (Go Knicks!). I live on Long Island in a tiny village called Cove Neck. It was made famous 10 years ago when an Avianca jet crashed behind my house. We are on a peninsula that separates pristine Cold Spring Harbor and Oyster Bay. The area is heavily wooded and home to foxes , pheasants and migrating water fowl. In the winter we see visiting harbor seals. Some of my neighbors are Oleg Cassini, John McEnroe,Charles Dolan(Knicks&Rangers),Charles Wang(Islanders) and John Gotti Jr(presently on vacation). Living in the country just a half hour from BBG is great. Can't identify species of local trees because I grew up in Queens !
Randy Pullman <rpullman@optonline.net>
Oyster Bay, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 18:53:40 (MDT
Instead of Dr Spock, Dr Shmock . . . Instead of "beam me up Scotty" it might be "so nu already Shlomo?"
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 18:20:59 (MDT
MIKE...i'm coming to phoenix on friday...i have a meeting monday, but i'll spend the weekend at the pointe hilton tapatia cliffs resort...it's a good business hotel, i've been there before. phoenix and invirons is a great area, i'm there several times each year...and you're right, life in the desert is like living in an oven, but it is a very easy city to reside in...not like new york.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 17:52:21 (MDT
Mike D & Gish, I liked the way you tied your states into your description. From the Four Corners region in the northeast to the desert southwest Arizona is truly God's country. When I left Bayside in 1978 to trek west, I was tempted to settle in Tucson. I stayed for the month of March and it was magnificent. However, there was a magnet pulling me further west. If anyone out there ever loses their faith or just needs a reality check, visit the Grand Canyon...It has a humbling way of putting things in perspective.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 17:14:37 (MDT
"In a Galaxy Far Far Way",,, Long Island City?
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 17:11:32 (MDT
Star Drek might be better. But the casting is right on.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 16:46:10 (MDT
Steve- How about Star Schlep! Makes sense since both William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are Jewish!
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 15:16:36 (MDT
Michael...we are all electric in Seaford...no gas...so i guess i cant do too much damage even if i took u literally...but hey i was a bpger so u know im too smart for that..u DO know i was just playin with u
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 13:53:03 (MDT
Helen--Oy Vader!! I like it. And, remember the old Star Trek in which there were two conflicting characters whose faces resembled Adrian's black and white cookies? Perhaps they could be part of a peace offering inlcuding a glass of Schnapps.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 12:58:40 (MDT
Greetings from a current Bell Park Gardens resident. I posted a while ago to introduce myself but mostly lurk. I tell you that it makes me sad that that child that my husband and I are expecting will grow up in Bell Park without the experiences that you all have had growing up here. My husband, Scott, is a few years younger than most of you but still had the heartwarming, safe, carefree childhood filled with friends in each court that you all did. The descriptions from those that have visited the neighborhood recently are so very correct. It is mostly eldery with a spattering of Asian families, and a good amount of wheelchair ramps. In the winter the place is practically dead as most of the cooperators fly south with the birds. I can only hope that more young people with children will move into the area. Best wishes to all, and, if I am not placed on bedrest for the pregnancy by July 15th, I just might get my husband to mosey over to Alley Pond.
Rita Kimmel <RitaJKim@aol.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 11:54:11 (MDT
Jerry. Can I work on it with you? Thre could be a character named, 'Oy Vader" and "Yogi" instructing his young protege' to "Wear a Sweater..."
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 09:45:20 (MDT
Steve--I love that idea. Our intrepid explorers board the USS Rokeach, led by Captain Manischewitz, to explore the existence of alien (or maybe ailing, as in "oy, my aching back") life forms, and perhaps a place where you can be served a nice stuffed cabbage. I'll try to think of some titles.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 09:27:35 (MDT
Peri--that oven reference is supposed to be figurative NOT literal. Out here most homes are all electric, I forgot that back in NY many stoves and ovens are gas--head in the oven is definitely not a good idea. Although my typos should be obvious I meant to say theater and culture are NOT comparable to NY, but our resident companies are decent and we do get the traveling companies of most major productions. I'd leave the futon out for you Ed, but those coyotes can get awfully hungry.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 09:27:25 (MDT
I have really enjoyed reading these "picture posts".They have been examples of the best writing I've seen here to date and allow different parts of the personality to be shared.I have been toying with the idea of doing a treatment on the adventures of a predominently Jewish veterans co-op Starship exploring the far reaches of outer space.Any suggestions for a title?
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 09:06:29 (MDT
Andrea . . . I joke around a lot so I can see where you thought my description of the house on the water was a spoof of Manhasset hills! Actually, the home outside Athens is very real and is my wife's pride and joy . . . Rona . . . If you can afford the airfare, maybe we can work something out. Provided you bring your brother David . . and your own futons!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 08:48:58 (MDT
Don Guilliam's back, the return of the prodigal son (returned wanderer) . . . Yes Don, Joe Lapal is my father. And yes, he was the first co-op representative to a Board of Directors set up by Herman Stichman, then Commissioner of Housing for New York State. (There is a plaque and a sign honoring Mr. Stichman on the "mall" between the little circle and Springfield Blvd). United Veterans Co-operative Housing Development #2 (#1 never got past incorporation) became known as Bell Park Gardens in 1949. It is the very first housing co-operative in the United States devoted to veterans of the Armed Forces! . . . My father served as the first President of the Co-op Board of Directors and remained active for the next 30 years in BPG affairs. He is well and still lives in the same apartment . . If I say any more he will have my head. He's a very private person now. I guess I'm the loudmouth in the family.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 08:02:27 (MDT
I have to add again that I love these personal descriptions of where we all reside. It's like a travel brochure, but better!! Ed, didn't mean to give you the impression that Cal Ripken is my neighbor! His home is about 5 min away and is almost like a palace!!! Though once in a while you can catch a glimpse of him in the supermarket. Motor Week is filmed around the corner from me and when they drive through neighborhoods, it is usually mine. Louis Ruckhyser (I think I misspelled that beautifully) broadcasts from here too. Right now it is 70 outside and gorgeous!! Of course, when the humidity hits it will be another story!! Love your place in Athens, Ed. Can we all visit? Will be on LI next weekend, my mother-in-law is selling her house and preparing to move down here, I also have a bridal shower in Massapequa!!! It will be good to travel around the island for a day or two! Please keep your descriptions coming.
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 07:20:01 (MDT
Allan, u r right...the wait during primetime is incredible but its well worth it...not just the quantity the quality is there too..michael...i am going home tonite to stick my head in the oven and its all your fault!!just kidding...actually u r right about the golfcourses there from what ive seen on tv and heard from friends...when al & i win the lotto that is where we have finally agreed to live...we have had long discussions about this and will b well prepared when we win....additionally we have talked about vacationing there and probably will one day...either this fall or next whenever i get up the nerve to fly there...we own a timeshare that we trade off for wherever we want to go so we dont have to worry about hotel rates....we'll let u know if we finally plan it...by the way u r going to have alot of explaining to do to al when he comes home and finds my head in the oven tonite
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 07:04:52 (MDT
Peri, You are right about the Seaford Diner. My wife and I went there for the first time with friends from Merrick. I was amazed by quantity of food. One dinner was about 5 courses and easily fed 2 people. The only downside I am told is the wait for a table, which I understand could easily exceed an hour at prime time.
Alan Sperling <asperl818@aol.com>
Syosset, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 05:59:57 (MDT
I've enjoyed reading about where others live, so now I'll try to describe the place where I chose to live, Phoenix, Arizona. Unlike the images you may have, the landscape in Arizona is incredibly varied. In northern and eastern Arizona you'll see pine forests and mountains, with decent skiing in the winter. In the northeast corner of the state lies Monument Valley Navajo Tribal Park with awesome monoliths rising from the valley floor. In central and southern Arizona we're in the middle of the Sonoran desert, where all varieties of cacti abound. Phoenix is an interesting blend. A growing downtown with construction ongoing, and yet, lots of wide open spaces. I work downtown on the top floor (28th) of a high rise a block away from Superior Court and two blocks from the Federal Courthouse, and more importantly a five minute walk from America West Arena and Bank One Ballpark. From our offices we get a panoramic view of the entire Phoenix metro area, and the mountains surrounding it. Phoenix sprawls over a valley surrounded by mountains (hills really) that seem to take on a different hue depending upon the time of day and weather conditions. Most neighborhoods are suburban in nature and tend to blur into one another. I live in northeast Phoenix, and if I drive and if I drive about a quarter of a mile I'm in Scottsdale. Yes, it gets really really hot in the summer time. But right now, with temps in the 90's or low 100's, it's just right. 95 degrees here is not nearly as uncomfortable as 95 degrees in Bayside because we have little or no humidity. This time of year temperatures drop 30 degrees or more in the evening. I'm waiting for the blossoms to bloom on the Saguaro Cactus that sits in my front yard any day now as I watch cactus wrens build their nest on the arms of the cactus. In my back yard, an orange tree and grapefruit tree and several palm trees front and back. The multi-colored lantana give color to the front yard and compliment the hibiscus and oleanders in the back yard. Early in the morning along some of the washes (a wash is dry stream bed that fills with torrents of water during our summer monsoons), even within established subdivisions, one can see an occasional coyote, and lots of jack rabbits. The life style is what brought me out here and with hindsight, it was a great decision. Thirty minutes to downtown in rush hour, and people here think they have traffic. While theater and culture generally are comparable to NYC, very few cities can withstand that comparison. But it has improved immensely since we moved here in 1984. Permanent theater companies, a symphony orchestra that survived near bankruptcy, and all four major sports. GO SUNS!! (Sorry but it's been five years since they got out of the first round). It is a wonderful place to raise kids. Even though Phoenix is now the 6th largest city in the US, in many ways it is still a small town, urban yet not, suburban yet not, in many ways a new city. Although there is clearly an establishment here, there also an openness to anyone interested in working for a cause or oganization.. When I first moved out here I quickly became a member of the State Board of one civic organization, a member of my temple's board of directors, part of an air quality task force for a third civic group, and I was also able to get active in, and depressed with, local politics. The heat serves as our population control. If we had a more temperate climate like San Diego, our population would probably double. In late April we usually see our snow bird population move back to the Midwest at least until October or November. Peri, you should get yourself a sedative and get on a plane to Phoenix. I am not a golfer, but I am told by many who are that the Phoenix-Scottsdale area has the best golf courses anywhere, bar none. If you can tolerate the heat the best bargains at the top hotels are in the summer. If you want an idea of what it's like when the temperatures exceed 110 try turning your oven on, preheating it and sticking your head in. Brian, you'd feel very comfortable out here politically. In fact I can empathize with your experience trying to vote in a republican primary. Out here, I have the same feeling trying to vote in a Democratic primary. On Friday, I am taking a day trip with my son's fourth grade class to the Grand Canyon. To anyone who has never seen it, I highly recommend the trip. The Grand Canyon is truly one of the most awe inspiring spots on earth.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 02:26:12 (MDT
Welcome to Larry Hyatt. We were in many a class together at PS46 until you took the 3 year SP at 74.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 02:19:29 (MDT
To Alan Lefton, It was August, 1949 when the first families moved into BPG. If you sell, sit down before you hear how much you have to pay back to BPG! ---------------To my friends: "I'm Back"!!! Thank You Webmaster Larry and my friends Jan, Ray, Ed, Steven and others for the e-mails asking me to return. To my friend who said I would look like a fool coming back remember this: IT IS BETTER TO KEEP SILENT AND APPEAR A FOOL, THAN TO SPEAK AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!! To Ed; I'm not lost just forgotten. Are you related to Joseph Lapal? He was first co-op member on board in 49 and later President.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Wednesday, May 03, 2000 at 00:09:19 (MDT
Elliot.. also tell it to Henry Ford. By the way Francis Coppola was born in Detroit.. hence the middle name Ford.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 20:54:36 (MDT
ooops Helen! Forgot about Motown...Henry Ford did ok too! Other than that the only other "cutting edge"were the sharpened spikes of Ty Cobb(ancient baseball history).
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 20:54:34 (MDT
Elliot. Trends do not start in Detroit? Tell that to Berry Gordy!
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 19:44:34 (MDT
Andrea.. see my post of 4/27 for description of where I live. Randy my wife is from WA state & heads up that way tomorrow for a visit.. we also have family in Oregon.. Salem & Corvallis. She will drive from Portland and hopefully see Mt. Hood on the way along with the rest of the Cascade range. One of my greatest memories was when she & I took a helicopter flight into the crater of Mt. St. Helens around 1983 or so.. awesome! Love!! Dungeness crab also.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 19:17:10 (MDT
B4 i add to the scenic tour i just want to say hi to larry hyatt...we were in alot of the same classes together but i dont know if u remember me...anyway....i live on the south shore of seaford long island...the only thing between our house and the water is a boatyard...we can watch the sunset over the water from our dining room table...we also sit in our living room and watch the jones beach fireworks display on july 4th...next door to us is a boat yard...on the other side we do have a neighbor (who is never home)...quite a difference from growing up in bpg where u could hear someone sneeze!!!i work in manhattan in the grace building on 42nd...the view from my office is bryant park...of course i very rarely get a chance to turn around a look at it but its nice for the once a month i might glance down while running back into my office...to add to the food conversation...here in seaford is probably the worlds best diner...the seaford diner...anyone who lives on the south shore and many from the northshore can attest to that fact
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 19:01:17 (MDT
ed lapal: i thoroughly enjoyed your most vivid description of your environs. my sister lives up the street from you and i am impressed with your ability to convey the marvels of manhasset hills. those of us who live in prosaic upper middle class clusters need only read that description of your illustrious stomping grounds to be transported to a far finer place and temporarily escape the mundanities of existence. thanks for the chuckles. harris leibowitz: now that we're done with the name-dropping, what's it like where you live? do i sound peevish? sorry, i had to. it's just sour grapes and, actually, it sounds good to me.
andrea krest <akrest411@aol.com>
westfield, nj USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 17:51:19 (MDT
I too enjoyed reading about these beautiful places to live, so here's my 2 cents (plain) worth. From my front door, I can be at the lift lines on a glacier known as Mount Hood, a "dormant" volcano by the way, in under 90 minutes to ski/snowboard ALL YEAR ROUND (only place in US). 32 minutes takes me into the Columbia River Gorge (best windsurfing at least on our planet), and a National Historic site to boot. 80 minutes West takes me to the beautiful Oregon coast for whale watching, salmon, and dungeneous crabs. I'm completely surrounded by pine trees, hawks, spotted owls, and plenty of green (it does rain 200 days a year). To end, great golf, microbrews, clean air, little traffic, no sales tax, and the Blazers. The flip side, hicks, spotted jews, no real bagels/pizza/deli, NO NHL/NFL/MLB, and the Blazers. Gotta love your home, right?
Randy "Gish" Geller <rgeller@cyberhighway.net>
Beaverton, OR USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 17:41:32 (MDT
I've enjoyed reading the vignettes about where we all live these days. Here is my two cents from the Great Lake State of Michigan. West Bloomfield is located 35 miles northwest of the city of Detroit. People here use their hand as a "map",so we live under the thumb...on the fleshy part of your palm. West Bloomfield is located on a glacial moraine. There are 26 lakes in WB, second most of any township in the U.S. save for one in Minnesota. We have a 16 acre lake in our subdivision which is framed by protected wetlands and hundred year old oak and maple trees. Deer and red fox(not the actor)are often seen in the area. There is also a magnificent blue heron rookery within a trail-network for walking and cycling. The public schools here are exemplary, with a healthy ethnic mix. The midwest is by nature a conservative place to live. Those traditional values people speak of are quite evident here as kids refer to adults as Mr. or Mrs. so and so. Trends do not start here! When people here complain about traffic...I have to laugh, having lived in NY & LA. Detroit has a long way to go on the comeback trail but the seeding has begun. Comerica Park is a magnificent ballpark, even though the Tigers may give the'62 Mets a run for their money. All in all a great place to live and raise three kids.
Elliot Lewkow <Lewkows1@aol>
W. bloomfield, MI USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 17:07:30 (MDT
Harris, when you mention Martin Sheen and his work in that film, I always think of the scene very early in the movie when Sheen is drunk, goes thru some kind of emotional upheaval and cuts himself during his rant-I thought I heard that Coppola got Sheen drinking and talking and basically led him thru that scene from off-camera, taking him to that strange place in his head that produced that moment in the film-if that is true that is amazing!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 15:31:50 (MDT
I can vouch for Harris's work neighborhood. It is probably the only place in the City of San Francisco that I would never tire of visiting. It probably will always be as timeless as it sounds, earthquakes notwithstanding. I guess I'm at Northern California's other end of the spectrum, working in downtown San Jose, at a company that does corporate video and graphics (for all the high tech companies), along with work for the Discovery Channel. The city has worked very hard to prevent a generic sort of look. And because there is a definite ceiling on the height of buildings here, there is likely to be more of the kind of urban sprawl you might see in LA. There is a light rail system in place with plans for more expansion, and they're going to need it here. The good part is that everything is clean and new-looking, and the museums, especially the ones for kids, are outstanding. I can see the San Jose Arena (the "Shark Tank") just down the block, and I get a great view of the planes landing at nearby San Jose Airport, so that I'm never just blankly staring out the window (or at least don't appear to be).
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 14:33:41 (MDT
In the spirit of Steven Bakers' terrific idea of us describing to each other, where we live, I thought I would also describe where I work, hoping that some of you will do the same. I toil away my hours as a Video Colorist at American Zoetrope in San Francisco. The building which houses film director Francis Ford Coppolas' film production & post production facility is a classic landmark 1907 structure.. triangular in shape.. (like the Flatiron bldg, in NY).. 8 stories and copper green, with a rotunda at the top corner. It is called The Sentinel Building. It was being constructed during the 1906 earthquake and survived the disaster. Sam Spade could have easily had an office here, with it's pebbled glass windowed doors, and little fly windows at top.. lots of wood framings, black & white tiled floors and wrought iron stairwell. Legend has it that there are tunnels way underneath, that used to go out to places of ill repute, in the old Barbary Coast. There was a restaurant in the basement back in the 20's & 30's called Caesars'.It is said that this is where the Caesar Salad got it's humble beginnings. Caesars' went of business for selling booze during the prohibition as the story goes. The Kingston Trio owned the building for a while in the 60's & early 70's, I believe. There was a recording studio in the basement then and groups like the Grateful Dead utilized it for sessions. Francis bought the building in the mid 70's. He renovated the recording studio and put in a film projection booth as well. Martin Sheen recorded his famous narrative for Apocalypse Now down there. Francis took over the top floor or the Penthouse for his offices. He has now built a European style cafe in the base of the building called the Neibaum- Coppola cafe, after his winery in Napa. One can sample his & others wines and enjoy fine Italian Cuisine. We are located in the North Beach section of San Francisco on Columbus & Kearny. SF's "Little Italy" on one side of the street.. "Chinatown" on the other. There are other landmarks in the neighborhood.. such as The Purple Onion.. right across the street where people such as Lenny Bruce used to do standup way back.. and City Lights Bookstore up the block.. famed poet Lawrence Ferlinghettis' paperback, literary mecca. North Beach is home to the "Beat Generation" of the 50's.. Jack Kerouac author of "On the Road", his good friend Neil Cassidy and poet Allen Ginsburg all hung out there. So hopefully this will give a glimpse into my place of work.. and Ilook forward to hearing about yours.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 14:08:04 (MDT
It has been said that 'the way to a man's heart is through his stomach'. I don't know about that (gender bias). But I do know that the best way to entice the Bell Park Diaspora back to Bayside for the July 15th reunion is with food! In the interest of brevity I will limit my list to northeast Queens. I don't hold myself out as the next restaurant critic of the New York Times. These are just some places where I have enjoyed a good meal . . . Greek - Myrtos, on Northern Blvd west of Francis Lewis Blvd. Steak - Frankie and Johnnie's, Northern Blvd at 194 Street. Italian - Cafe On The Green, Willets Point Blvd next to Clearview golf course. Jewish - Ben's Deli, Bay Terrace shopping center. Felafel - Naomi's Pizza, Main Street just south of Bowne HS. Seafood - Pisces, Union Turnpike at 271 Street. Japanese - Little Tokyo (sushi bar, new place), Northern Blvd in Douglaston opposite driving range. Chinese - Szechuan Inn, Union Turnpike at 252 Street (guaranteed to see other BPG'ers in-season) . . . This is an admittedly short list. I excluded neighborhood eateries, diners and other restaurants already mentioned. Otherwise, I might be criticized for the length of my posting.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, May 02, 2000 at 10:42:33 (MDT
TOTC Reunion: Alley Pond Park, picnic area near parking lot at 76 Avenue and Springfield Blvd. Saturday, July 15th with raindate on Sunday, July 16th. Twelve noon till whenever. Softball game at two PM. Be there!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 21:08:00 (MDT
May 1st and summer around the corner. By this point in BPG, families were making their summer plans to the Catskills or in my case Rockaway Beach. I miss that anticipation of school winding down whenever May hit. Hoops and stickball on a daily basis in T-shirts at this point, Tommy the Parkee scraping the rust out of the sprinkler system, Red Arrow doubling their order of Pensy Pinkies, Mr. Paul heading to the PO Box for his latest magazine shipment, Mr. Softee stocking up vanilla custard and "brown bonnet syrup", and of course Joe's Pizza opening up that outside service window. Let's not forget those after dinner 25 to a team ring-a-leivio games until 10pm, and upper Alley Pond Park's lot filling up early with carloads of "evening chioces" and Grateful Dead /Led Zeppelin tunes in the background. On a final note, anyone know a final date of the BPG reunion this summer?
Randy "Gish" Geller <rgeller@cyberhighway.net>
Beaverton, OR USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 18:04:41 (MDT
Ed, Don't forget your binoculars when you do your west coast swing. I'll get you set up high above the Pepperdine campus with a birdseye view across pch. From some of your recent posts, dolphins aren't the only thing you'll be zooming in on.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 16:39:08 (MDT
I just discovered this site (actually, my sister told me about it). Although I did not grow up in Bell Park, I grew up a short walk away, at the corner of Bell Blvd and the LIE. Seemed like most of my friends lived there, and I spent much of my time there. I graduated PS 46, JHS 74, and Cardozo (class of '72). Have been living in the Washington area since graduate school (1980). Married, two kids, two cars, one cat, etc. Would love to hear from anyone from those days.
Larry Hyatt <larry.hyatt@hmscorp.com>
Rockville, MD USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 16:36:38 (MDT
My wife and I love the sea! Our house is built into a hillside overlooking the water. On the top two floors are balconies where we sit with binoculars watching the parade of passing cruise ships. About two kilometers to port is an Olympic sized marina filled with the finest luxury yachts. Across the straits is an island called Macronessius, or Big Island. The sun rises directly over this island. Sunsets illuminate it a fiery red . . . If you exit the rear of the house, walk across a single lane road and down the hill, you can dive into crystal clear water and swim with the dolphins! Or you can cast a fishing line from the backyard and catch Mediterranean sea bream. At night, the gentle splashing of waves on the pebbled beach lulls you to sleep . . . The house I'm describing is located about 80 kilometers south of Athens, Greece at the southeastern tip of mainland Europe. Just take the coast road from the international airport past the Temple of Poseidon, God of the Sea. I'll leave the futon out on the veranda for anyone passing through.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 14:59:31 (MDT
Steve . . . Probably best to talk to Paul Roth about BPG adoptions!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 14:28:03 (MDT
Bernie .. I didn't think they were for rollerblading, but I just assumed that everyone was into Evil Kenevil or something !!! I should have rang her bell, and asked if you could come out and play !!!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 13:31:44 (MDT
Alan- I think my parents adopted you a long time ago so feel free to drop in. Of course they no longer live in the same court on 218th street. You'll have to walk to Springfield Blvd. Did you also notice the amount of ramps that now lead to BPG apartments? I don't think they are for rollerblading
steve bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
old bethpage, ny USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 13:15:43 (MDT
Alan, You can visit my mom anytime you want. She still lives in the same apt on 218th street. Going on about 50 years now. Things do change....at least once in a while. If you don't want to visit my mom, ask Ed about being adopted by a BPG family. He seems to have connections with everything.
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 12:45:05 (MDT
Steven.. anywhere in Elizabeth one can get a loaf of Wonder Bread and some Smores? Ed you're a good sport.. humor is the key!
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 12:06:45 (MDT
Thanks to everyone who e-mailed me with suggestions on where to eat in Bayside. I spent the weekend there at my parents house on 218th street. Unfortunately, the reason I was there is my parents are almost postitive that they will be selling this year, and move permanently to Florida. I /they have lived in that apartment since I was 8 years old. They are also the 3rd family ever to move into Bell Park which was in 1947 or 49. I never thought of them not ever living there .... but things do change, not always fsor the better. Anyone whose parents sold or moved out, and have any suggestions for BPG withdrawl, please let me know. I am sure I will need something !!!!!! Bernie ... ask yor Mom if she'll adopt me for a weekend or 2. ............. I noticed that now in Bell Park, you are either Aisin, or elderly walking at .03 MPH ... ( not that there is anything wrong with that !!!! ... ). I also noticed that the 46 schoolyard is named Tall Oaks Park. I had pizza at Joe's..... not so good .... I had to add allot of garlic powder to it since it had very little flavor and was kind of dough-ie . I was also surprised to see that Joe's sold beer .... I walked around Springfield a bit .... Arrow is still there and I bought a newspaper and a candy bar. When I was a kid I remember all the nice yellow dandelions around my court, and they are still there ... until I bought a house and became a "lawn guy", I never knew that they were weeds !!!!!! Anyone with any suggestions on maintaining sanity or post-BPG depression, please let me know ... ( although those that know me ... already know I am still a bit nutz anyway ... ).... Good Post-Shabbas .... Alan
Alan "LEFTY" Lefton
USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 10:08:10 (MDT
Steven. I loved your description of your neighborhood. I could smell all of the different aromas wafting around. I laughed at my own reaction at reading it though... My parents, who don't believe tha there is a good reason to ever leave the Greater NYC area, (whch of course includes Miami) tend to always relate a foreign place they are in to the familiar. The yacht harbor in Santa Cruz is "Just like Sheepshead Bay- big deal!" Areas in San Fransisco are"just like Pellham Parkway", and Tel Aviv was like "Collins Ave". (Miami) So at the risk of channeling my parents, (which my kids will tell you I do more and more each day) my reaction to Elizabeth was, "Sounds like Flushing!". Any way, you could count me in as a visitor., I love falafal. Have a good day. See you soon.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 08:47:03 (MDT
Elizabeth N.J is a short distance from the city .It was important in colonial history as the primary point of embarcation to the American mainland because you didn't have to climb those damn Pallisades and it was straight going to Phila.Always a working class city, Elizabeth is Melting Pot 2000.There are 27 languages represented in my daughter's elementry school.The parents are truly proud to be first generation Americans and are very active in the schools and city politics.My section of town is called Elmora and is home to a large orthodox Jewish population.There are two prestigious Yeshivas here and a variety of businesses catering to this community.Elmora Ave is the Springfield Blvd of the neighborhood and relects the ethnic diversity.There is a Kosher meat restaurant,bakery and butcher on one side of the street as well as a shomer shabbos Chinese takeout staffed by Chinese (no pork here).On the other side of Elmora there is Jerusalem Pizza with 50 variaties of salads and the best Fallafel anywhere.There is a Colombian restaurant/ bakery, a Dominican roast chicken spot, a Portugese barbecue and variety store for each ethnic orientation as well as the other town services you would expect.Elizabeth has gone through a reinvention over past ten years.The town has attracted IKEA,Jersey Gardens, the largest factory outlet mall and a huge indoor sports complex.I doubt I will be hosting many of you in the near future but if you find yourself passing through, drop me a line.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 07:18:31 (MDT
I am enjoying this refreshing new aspect of TOTC- homestead visualization!! My husband & I never planned on settling on Long Island, but rarely does life go as planned! So, here we are, on the North Shore, in a house that was going to be our "starter" house, & surprisingly content! Located in the Huntington area, we have the best of both worlds: 1 hour drive (traffic willing) into Manhattan for theater & culture, 1 & 1/2 hour out to the east end! My area itself is a mecca for shoppers!! Malls & stores for as far as the eye can see! Locally we have beaches, parks, historical venues (Walt Whitman House) and quaint little towns like Cold Spring Harbor. What I do miss is that neighborhood feeling that we had growing up in Bayside- there were always kids outside to play with, & we walked everywhere!! I thought my kids would have that here, but unfortunately there is very little of that in my community.(my kids survived despite!)Thank you for the peeks into your areas- they are a pleasant change of pace for this site.
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, Ny USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 05:31:47 (MDT
Rona . . . You live down the road from Cal Ripken? Now that's impressive! Do you also know Louis Rukesyer? I believe he shoots Wall Street Week from studios in Owings Mills, MD . . . Mitch . . . You sound like one happy chappy in Malibu. I would be too! Of all the college campuses I've ever been on, Pepperdine is the most beautiful . . . Y'all having a good time with this futon thing? Thanks Harris, but that's fine with me. As my new found (and now lost) friend Don Guilliam said of me "you can dish it out, but can you take it?" The answer is yes I can, so keep it coming . . In honor of Richard Boone, who played Paladin on TV, I'm going to have a business card made up for the reunion - "LAPAL . . Have Futon, Will Travel"
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, May 01, 2000 at 00:58:06 (MDT
Mitch.. nice piece on your home in Malibu. You make a place that's been written about and talked about so often sound fresh & new and magical...and I know it can be. Loved the part about The Queen's Necklace.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 21:13:19 (MDT
RAY...after my separation from my former wife (of 31 years) i rented a house and moved to 33333 pch. a once in a lifetime address...i lived there a year. then i rented a house on broad beach, just past zuma...june 2000 will be 2 years since i purchased this house...all of my friends, from all of california use our home is the bathroom stop (and alcohol refill) as they cruise up and down pch in their harleys.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 20:12:54 (MDT
Mitch, I was out your way this past Thursday with my brother and our 5 kids. We spent the day at Zuma Beach. It was a picture perfect day, and we were fortunate to see schools of dolphins swimming just offshore. I tied the knot in Malibu Canyon 18 years ago, at a home overlooking the glistening Pacific. Sadly that home burned to the ground when the wildfires swept thru the canyon several years back. And finally, don't forget to leave the futon out for Ed. He'll dig the view from Pepperdine U.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 19:13:21 (MDT
and now a description from southern california...i live in a small city in los angeles county called malibu (90265). it is 29 miles long and about 1 mile wide. it is on the pacific ocean and begins north of santa monica and travels west (really northwest) to the ventura county line. it was a very hot day in malibu today, reaching 80 degrees f. usually, it is 68-72 degrees even in the heat of summer. when i woke up this a.m. i went outside my rear door and saw the pacific ocean. it was a very clear day. from the rear lawn i could see santa catalina island's mountains looming 26 miles away in the distance. turning to the east i could see the gentle curving of the shore all the way to the palos verdes pennisnula about 40 miles away. at night, that view is called 'the queen's necklace' because the lights along the shore look like glistening gems as they reflect and shimmer against the ocean. i live just off of the campus of pepperdine university, about 15 miles up the coast from santa monica, where malibu canyon and malibu creek meet pacific coast highway (pch) and the ocean. most days we can see schools of porpoises playing just behind the breakers. we recently saw dozens of whales over a several week period migrating north, their blow-holes spouting like geysers and their calves swimming right by them. they were typically swimming less than 100 feet off-shore. it was awesome. i loved bayside. when i moved to los angeles in '78 i fell in love with california. i have been living in malibu for 4 years now, and to me it is like being on a permanent vacation.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 18:23:33 (MDT
SAUL WILNER...those are the best granola bars i have ever tasted...and i'm ruining my keyboard as i type this because my fingers are full of chocolate, and the seeds and nuts are falling into every nook and cranny of the keys. ALL TOTCers, if i were you i would call 1-800-GRANOLA and make a purchase. saul, please let me in on the public offering, you are going to sell a lot of these.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 17:59:54 (MDT
OK folks - I'm in heaven (at least for awhile). Took a day trip down to the city and had time to drive to the 'hood'. Beautiful day - walked through Alley Pond Park, drove around 'the circle' (anyone NOT know what 'the circle' is?), saw my old apartments and ... stopped at Adrian's. Broke the shocks on the way home (just kidding) ... loaded up with 'a few things' (breads, rolls, danish, hamentashen and of course all the black & white's I could carry) and now I'm in heaven. Hey Brian, Go For It (no sarcasm) - I'm as opinionated as they come and probably share quite a few of your beliefs about the wastes of humanity today - but I still can't figure out why you place it at 'our' feet. Ver vaist - but I would like to take this moment and pay honor to all those who fought, and paid the ultimate price, to secure the freedoms we have here today - especially the freedom of speech. Rona - Sunderland is a bit north on Rt 116 and right on the Connecticut River - beautiful area (also a major speed trap). Stop by when you're in the area.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 17:32:09 (MDT
Just had a great visit from Neil Schneider, my buddy who turned me onto this site. We reminisced for 3 days... The another friend of mine, Lloyd Fishman, came by last night... Turns out that Neil's uncle was one of Lloyd's teachers @ Van Buren H.S.!!!
Ken Countess <ken73@aol.com>
Southlake (near Dallas), TX USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 17:00:47 (MDT
Hey, theres an excellent restaurant (fairly newplace) on Union (going towards Lake Sucess) called Nick and Maggie's. I've been delighted each time I've gone there. Basic fish, grilled meats and pastas, but done really well and imaginativly (For Bayside) Get the Mediterranian salad- very yummy.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 13:01:24 (MDT
Rona.. who says you are not a good descriptive writer! Your piece was great. I could go for a bowl of Maryland "She" Crab Soup right now & follow it up with a soft shell crab dinner! More descriptions..please!! This is the best thing that ever happened on this site.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 11:25:59 (MDT
Brian . . . adding another point of reference to your gastonomical tour of Long Island. Best hot dogs: Jones Beach. Not because of the dogs themselves (Nathan's are better, Hebrew National better still!) But because Jones Beach hot dogs mean sun, sea, surf . . and girls in bikinis . . Yeah, that's the ticket!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 11:24:01 (MDT
Here I go again - I am just a little upset that I saw a posting that I believe should have been in a classfied ad. Sorry I have not had my coffee yet.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 08:57:33 (MDT
Okay Brian, let's go point by point. (1) I agree with you about not sending welfare checks to able bodies adults. But what about the children who also depended on those checks? While no working person laments the passing of the welfare system, I think more attention (and yes, even money) needs to be paid to the children. (2) I agree with you about protecting the rights of law abiding citizens vs the rights of criminals. Yet, and you should know this as a litigator, the rights we all enjoy that protect us from the abuse of power by the state must also protect those that do commit crimes. (3) I agree we should reward competence in education and I believe a school voucher system has advantages. However, I also believe that a celebration of the diversity that is at the core of American society is a good thing. Not everyone was so lucky to grow up in Bell Park and environs. (4) I don't care for Howard Stern or rap music either. But to say that today's standards have gone down the toilet because of them is ludicrous. They are the exception, not the norm. (5) Yes, Bill Clinton lied under oath. It was shocking to see him squirm and wriggle away. But anyone who didn't see the impeachment process as a political witchhunt must have been looking at a different Senate than I . . . Now here's what I worry about. Kids today are taught at a very, very young age to be self indulgent and to spend incredible amounts of money on their appearance. The shopping mall has replaced Yogi's and the schoolyard as a meetingplace. If it doesn't have a designer label in big, bold letters, what's the point of wearing it? . . Another thing, young girls today are taught to become bulimic so they too can look like a supermodel (as though those wasted looking women would be anyone's ideal of beauty!). My daughter makes me become my parents all over again - " Dahlink, eat a little something! Perhaps a nice piece of fruit?" . . So, round and round we go. The more things change, the more they remain the same . . . Good talking with you Brian.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 07:42:43 (MDT
I have been sitting here and reading all the descriptions of the various places that people live and I have enjoyed everyone of them It is wonderful to try and picture where different people have chosen to live, for whatever reason. I feel that I have to add my own, just for information, though I am not a very good descriptive writer but, I will try it anyway. I live in the northern suburbs of Baltimore, known as Owings Mills in the heart of the Green Spring Valley. As I look out my kitchen doors I see beautiful green trees, Japanese Maples, Dogwoods of all colors. I live in a typical suburban area, but I am surrounded by horse country and beautiful forests. All the roads around here are two lane, winding and beautifully situated. I am 20 minutes from downtown Baltimore, easy to get to. Years ago Baltimore was just a place we drove through to get to DC or VA or North Carolina, but there has been a major resurgence in the city. It is a very family oriented place. Today about five minutes from my home they are having the Maryland Hunt Cup Race. It is a race that has been run since 1894 and it is like a steeplechase. People come from all over to watch and have tailgate parties. This part of the valley has many hills and you can see "forever" and watch the race. Also, the Vanderbilts had many homes here which are still in their original state and you can see the green field, the red barns, the the white picket fences with horses standing right next to them so you can stop and pet them. Just down the road from where I am Cal Ripken lives and he is high on a hill overlooking the valley with it's blossoming trees, many ponds and lakes and forests. Just last night we were in the city and eating at a restaurant overlooking the harbor, having a great Maryland tradition known as crab cakes, which are wonderful pieces of lump crab meat seasoned with Old Bay and fried or broiled to perfection. I feel fortunate in that we are only and hour out of DC and that provides us with loads of interesting things to do. Besides entertainment and shopping we are only an hour from Northern VA, and about 3 hours from the Eastern Shore, Delaware and MD beach communities. My daughter spent the night in the mountains of Western MD right near Camp David, a beautiful part of the State. I guess I could go on and on, but I won't bore you any longer. By the way, Saul Wilner, even though I don't know you I have been in your neck of the woods many times. My brother-in-law lives in Sunderland, have spent much time in Northampton and the surrounding areas. It is beautiful.
Rona Krizman <pepr@home.com>
Baltimore, MD USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 07:25:02 (MDT
Wow, politics and hometown tours, always interesting. From Tommy the Parkie to Clinton. Never thought I would see both of thoes guys discussed on the same site. I am looking for anyone that graduated Van Buren in 1962, any of you out there?
Joel Fried <Cuteco@aol.com>
USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 06:56:47 (MDT
Francine...i hear that Hawaii has the most magnificent golf courses...do u play???is it true???unfortunately ill never find out...too long a flight for me...i hate flying...florida to visit the folks once a year is the only flight i do and if they werent there i wouldnt do that either...tell me about the courses if u have been on any
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Sunday, April 30, 2000 at 05:23:43 (MDT
Francine..I am still picturing your incredible description of your home in Hilo. We'll leave the futon out and a lamp in the window.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 19:48:21 (MDT
One more thing, for those who don't live in Hilo, Hawaii, Pacifica, California or Amherst, Massachussetts (and who, as a result, have no tolerance or compassion) and who, after reading this site recently, are eager for a good meal but will avoid the Outback per Kevan Schaum, I heartily recommend my two favorite restaurants: (1) Houston's in Roosevelt Field (the best fall-off-the-bone baby back ribs you will ever have. It's traif, so don't tell my rabbi); and (2) Cara Mia at Springfiled Blvd. and Hillside Avenue (everything in this family-run Italian restaurant is delicious). Now, I've made myself hungry.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 16:00:26 (MDT
Litigating cases has taken me away from this site for a couple of days. I come back and find that I've become an issue. I don't mind that; I'm used to it. Try going to PS 46 on Election Day and telling Paul Roth & Co that you are here to vote in the Republican primary. People reach for their nitroglycerine tablets. (My thanks to the Shulman siblings for their kinds words. Donnie was the best coach on a touch football team the last guy to get picked ever had.) On substance: Francine Hochvert chides me by saying, "I can only conclude that staying in Bayside has stunted Brian’s tolerance and compassion while moving on has enhanced that of the others. Maybe moving away leaves us sighing for Adrian’s babka, but staying closes the heart?" Who says I have no tolerance or compassion? Not sending welfare checks to able bodied adults is more compassionate for them than rewarding their indolence. Being more concerned about the right of a law abiding citizen to personal safety than those who exalt the rights of criminals to a ludicrous level is more compassionate than the reverse. Rewarding competence in school and at work, perhaps at the expense of a "gorgeous mosaic," is more compassionate than giving special treatment for no good reason. Finally, saying that standards of decency have gone in the toilet in a society that makes Howard Stern popular and rap stars who sing of killing white cops rich is compassionate for the state of my country. Ignoring how your stock portfolio is and saying that the President lied under oath and subverted the criminal justice system shows great compassion for the constitutional rights of an average American citizen (Paula Jones) to seek full and fair redress in court. Finally, saying that the tide on these issues turned as the baby boom generation reached maturity is simply stating a fact. Pointing this out doesn't make me uncompassionate, angry, or bitter. I had the happiest of childhoods in Bell Park and am a pretty happy guy now.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 15:52:01 (MDT
Just returned from a business trip and the first thing and the first thing I do is catch up on all the news on TOTC. As far as the recent debate that Brian started, let me add one note - I knew Brian when we were very young and he was one of the nicest kids. I also tried to teach him to catch a football. I agree with some of his opinions, but I will not get into an argument of left vs. right..... I have been traveling recently to Ft. Drum / Watertown NY. It is no Bell Park. I am so happy to be back in Orlando, FL. Sunny, 80's. Best of all NO SNOW. Andy Lavigne - Didn't know you were such a big hockey fan. Maybe another cup this year? Are you planning on attending the NY reunion?
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 14:48:28 (MDT
Howard . . . Tell me, tell me . . How does it feel to be twenty six! It's been so long ago, I forgot.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 13:58:11 (MDT
Ed, sorry, but I won't be at the reunion. My docs won't let me travel until my new kidney has spent, G-d willing, a trouble-free year with me (August) and by that time school will begin here. However, the futon is available, and the weather is great. Harris L, Steven, Saul, Helen, Jerry and Dave R, your places all sound lovely each in thier own way, so I'll make The Ed Request (TER), should I find myself in your neck of the woods, is there a futon available? The offer I made to Ed is, of course, open to each of you, too. Let's keep hearing from you all about the places you live now, not just in nature, but wherever. This is a great topic and well worth exploring. ;o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 13:52:33 (MDT
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN TICKETS (2 available) SUN, 5/21 ANAHEIM, CA * excellent seats (sec. 408 row B) good frontal view of stage * Bruce's last tour stop in So. California! Sold out! Hurry! * $125 each, OBO - postal money order only,ad $15 for express certified shipping. Ticketmaster receipt available on request
Barry Adler <barryadler@earthlink.net>
Santa Monica, USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 13:09:37 (MDT
I remember my days of living in Windsor Park.My name is Howard Starr and I'm 26 years old.Going to play handball with my friend who is also the same age back in the days,going to PS46 to hang out and chill with my best friends in the early 80's.I attended Cardozo from 1988-1992 and then I graduated with a diploma.Those days are behind me now so I can look to the future for more and better challenges for myself!I now currently work in Manhattan doing piece work on the Upper West Side of W.28th street.
Howard <howie3574@go.com>
Bayside , NY USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 10:19:29 (MDT
The Daily News gave the Outback in Bay Terrace a no star rating!
Kevan Schaum <Boyshkin@msn.com>
New Windsor, NY USA - Saturday, April 29, 2000 at 04:58:50 (MDT
TO ALAN LEFTON: Relative to your inquiry about a restaurant in the area, I advise you to try the Outback Steakhouse recently opened in the Bay Terrace Shopping Center off 26th Avenue and Bell Blvd. They serve quality food at reasonable prices. Try to go early as parking is at a premium.
Paul Roth <Proth5@aol.com>
Bell Park Gardens, NY USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 21:09:39 (MDT
You're right, Helen. I don't get outside much these days.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 16:44:45 (MDT
Aahhh . . used to be Runs With Wolves. Now it's Sleeps With Coyotes. I don't know about THAT!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 15:52:08 (MDT
Jerry. Re: Silicone Valley. Obviously you haven't spent much time in San Jose lately. Steve W. Of course- you are welcome anytime.
Helen Behar <sabehar@sarc.org>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 15:19:09 (MDT
Sorry for the triple posting.Had trouble with my typing.
Barbara Daskin Finkelstein <barbdafink@aol.com>
Birmingham, AL USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 15:07:43 (MDT
Sandi Cooper is your brother Bobby (Dr.Robert)Cooper?If so he was my daughters history teacher here at a very fine school here in AL.He was the toughest teachers she had. But she credits him for helping her prepair for going to Brown Univ. If this is who I think you are,please forward this site to him at Indian Springs. I do beleive he could give Ed Lapel a run for the money.
Barbara Daskin Finkelstein <barbdafink@aol.com>
Birmingham, AL USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 14:54:25 (MDT
Sandi Cooper is your brother Bobby (Dr.Robert)Cooper?If so he was my daughters history teacher here at a very fine school here in AL.He was the toughest teachers she had. But she credits him for helping here prepair for going to Brown Univ. If this is who I think you are,please forward this site to him at Indian Springs. I do beleive he could give Ed Lapel a run for the money.
Barbara Daskin Finkelstein <barbdafink@aol.com>
Birmingham, AL USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 14:53:29 (MDT
Sandi Cooper is your brother Bobby (Dr.Robert)Cooper?If so he was my daughters history teacher here at a very fine privete school here in AL.He was the toughest teachers she had. But she credits him for helping here prepair for going to Brown Univ. If this is who I think you are,please forward this site to him at Indian Springs. I do beleive he could give Ed Lapel a run for the moeny.
Barbara Daskin Finkelstein <barbdafink@aol.com>
Birmingham, AL USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 14:50:11 (MDT
Well .. in New York .. IT STILL COLD !!!!! I am still waiting for Spring !!!!!! I will be staying at my parents house in Bell Park this Saturday / Sunday.... any suggestions on where I should go for dinner other than Joe's Pizza or Digi's ????.... Any good places up Bell Blvd near the LIRR Station please let me know.... and ...... GOOD SHABBAS ( of course .. )
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 14:07:36 (MDT
ok, my turn for the neighborhood travel tour! I live in West Hartford, Ct a pretty tree-lined community just 4 miles from downtown Hartford. It's a pretty typical small New England town with old Tudor and Colonial homes with huge old trees in the front yards. The greater Hartford area offers a neat contrast: you can be downtown at the theaters, restaurants etc or be 15miles away at tobacco and dairy farms laid out on beautiful rolling hills. Of course the fall brings what I like to call the Fruit Loop effect of the leaves turning. Here in WH the center of town has it's own town-green and it's share of historical sites, like the Noah Webster House and the Mark Twain House. Saul mentioned the private New England attitudes in his area and that is very true here as well-folks don't roll out the welcome wagon right away, so it can be a little cold until people warm up to you. Another thing I see here is that folks retire but they don't move out to warmer climates-West Hartford has a very obvious split between families with kids and retiree's. This makes for some very interesting debates among citizenry regarding town budgets! West Hartford is one of the few towns in the area that has neighborhood elementary schools, with the vast majority of kids walking to school. That's a throwback my wife and I love.
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 14:03:34 (MDT
Futon, hell!! We're gonna make Ed sleep outside on the patio. We're going to rename him "Sleeps With Coyotes" :)
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 12:57:48 (MDT
Steven.. You have really started an excellent thread here. I look forward to hearing about many more locales. It's kind of like the old Charles Kurault travel show. Oh.. and everybody.. don't forget to put a futon out for Ed.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 12:43:38 (MDT
Seeing some of these names have brought back many memories. Lori Krutoy, David Fishman, Robert Fishman, etc, etc. I saw Michelle Prager in the mall and she gave me this site address. Lori you were my best friend throughout high school. Jayne Cutler was my best friend at 74. I occasionally run into her mother who lives near my parents. I am in touch with Cindy Lowenbraun and Debbie Gross.
Sandi Monroe (Cooper) <scooper@lennar.com>
Boca Raton, FL USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 12:10:03 (MDT
Helen, Your "neighborhood" and extended area sounds wonderful....as Ed Lapal would say...Can I stay at your house when I visit your area ??/ Nice to hear from you again
Steve Willet <Muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 11:41:15 (MDT
OK, sorry for being "flip". I show my "flip" side a little too often. My turn to describe the neighborhood. I'm not sure that Mendocino doesn't still rival Santa Cruz in its "turn back the clock" homage to the Hippie era. Pacifica, decidedly, is not that way, though a few hearty 60s denizens appear to be part of the landscape. Out town is really 7 tiny villages that dot the coast about 25 minutes southwest of downtown San Francisco. It is very un-Bay Area like, and is a true incongruous mix politically and socially. The hills to the east are a byproduct of centuries of San Andreas fault activity. The beaches are kind of grungy but that doesn't seem to dissuade the surfers from using its usually reliable and safe waves. Its reputation (and real estate values!) HAVE have gained new favor in recent years as the percentage of driveways that have cars up on blocks has decreased dramatically. We're an unsuburban looking suburb and where I live is not unlike Bell park in that the condos (what they call "townhomes" are in courts). The library is a couple of blocks away as are a few schools. So, it's a little like Bayside, without the Jewish people. It's a five minute drive to the beach (15 minutes to a nice one), and a five minute walk to a beautiful county park. As for our backyard (a postage stamp sized patio), we have had deer nudge the door open and freak out our cats, not to mention the requisite visit by raccoons, other cats, and an occasional coyote sighting. Like Harris, we have red-tailed hawk in abundance, although not quite like Manhattan has pigeons. I wish I had hours to talk about ratatouille and freshly-picked produce, but the best I can offer you is that I microwave a mean Lean Cuisine. Have a good day all.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 11:35:51 (MDT
Helen--SiliCONE valley is in L.A. Everyone knows that.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 10:15:34 (MDT
Steve, well I do feel really shy about this, but I'll take a stab at it. You all have been so eloquent describing where you live, that I'm afraid of sound like a travel book. Here goes: My home is in Santa Cruz, Ca. which is on the Northern end of Montery Bay. The county of Santa Cruz actually consists of several small towns that are either situated in the (2,000 year old) redwood forrested mountains, or along the beaches and cliffs of the Pacific. The folks that live here are an interesting mix of University Of Ca., Santa Cruz,(USCS) students, mostly a crop of new age hippie kids, and faculty, bedroom commuter Silicone Valley workers, baby boomer s that settled here in the 60's 70's and 80's, and (like where you live Saul) the Real Santa Cruzans, that have been here for generations. It is in many ways its (as Steve Polen has said) the last bastion of hippidom, with the culture being infused with left over politics and sensibilites from back in the days. but, the earthquake of 89' which pretty much devestated the downtown, has changed the demographics a lot with the rebuilding, and we have become seriously gentrified in the last 10 years. The city counsel, which used to be called "The People's Republic of Santa Cruz", has now sadly moved distinctly to the middle. Its a serious bike town, and I live inn Santa Cruz proper, near downtown, on Ocean View Ave., on the ocean side. Actually the ocean views start on the house next to ours, but on a clear day if you crane your neck... The street is filled with huge old stately Victorian mansions, as it was once the center of summer vacationing for the San Fransisco elite. (The Ghirrardeli's don't you know...) Our house is an Arts and Crafts "Califorma Cottage", and our hayloft is a protected historical building, and we are "in the club" of sorts because of the house's age and history. The house is surrounded by oak trees, bottlebrush, rosemary, jasmine and our lemon tree that we have a sign on for passer bys that says "pick me". The street is lined with trees, and leads down to a park overlooking the SantaCruz Boardwalk. In the summers, the town is congested with San Jose residents t that flock to that place, but we welcome their business. Downtown, its a wonderful circus of street musicians and performers, outdoor cafes, shoppers, farmers markets, arty shops and people that the 60's were very good to. There is great music in intimate little venues, with well known artists that are on their way to the "City" (San Fransisco) or just like playing in Santa Cruz because its very down home. In the evenings, we do a 4 mile walk along East Cliff Beach, passing the cliffs and sunset, sprawling Cypress trees, pelicans, cormorants, seals barking on the rocks, and if we are luck, once in a blue moon a whale. This weekend the town will fill with one surfing classic or another. Its not Alley Pond Park, but what is?
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 09:39:13 (MDT
Steve Baker - great idea. Western Massachusetts is a completely different world from the eastern part of the state. Most people 'out east' don't know that life exists west of Worcester, or even Rt 95, which works for us. Amherst is right in the middle of the Pioneer Valley - an area of diverse cultures, but still VERY much New England. Surrounding Amherst are several mountain ranges and dotting the tops of these ranges are the 'hilltowns' ... Pelham, Shutesbury (where I initially moved and where my children were conceived and born), Leverett and Montague. Although during the school year Amherst and Northampton more than double in population with students ... the hilltowns are still a different world. Leverett and Shutesbury, where I've lived for most of my 15 years here (except for a 2 year stint in Lake Pleasant - a very magical little hamlet founded in the mid 1800's by a spiritual group of folks), are the quintessential small New England towns. My house is surrounded by woods and in the dead of winter I can walk in any direction and just get lost. Shutesbury, the highest elevation of all the hilltowns, has a magical energy to it that one has to feel. Once you drink Shutesbury water ... life changes. As you drive up the mountain from Amherst you feel the pressure changing and during the winter there is a very distinct 'snow line' - it could be raining in Amherst (and even Leverett) but it's snowing in Shutesbury (we just had this the other day). The maple season just ended - meaning all the local maple houses have finished boiling the sap. During this time (Feb-Mar) most places open for breakfast where a simple dish of pancakes (all types) is made heavenly with maple syrup so fresh that ... well, just like Francine’s description of a fresh pineapple. There are locals and settlers - plain and simple and you're either one or the other. Although a settler, I seem to have more in common with the locals and I enjoy my relationship with them. New Englanders are a hardy, honest, straight-forward, no bullshit (unless they're joking - and New England humor is a totally different world ... example, a tourist asking a local - "Have you lived here your whole life?" "Not yeeeeeeeet!"), ornery, humble, hard working, gracious, friendly and overly conservative bunch who know everything about you before you even open your mouth. They could live next door (anywhere between .5 -10 miles) and unless invited, an individual's privacy is as sacred as their right to fish and hunt. Spring is an awakening (we all have cabin fever by February), summer is summer (lovely without the students) but Autumn is ... beyond words. Colors that far exceed any flashback. And winter is made for the soul. 2 hrs east is Boston (eh!), 3 hrs south by west is New York and north is the north country. You know you at least have a foot in the door when you're on a first name basis with the town librarian and when the chief of police stops you and asks how the kids are (his way of giving you a warning - it's tempting to drive the 'S' curves up the mountain with a bit of daring - I drive a well maintained Ford Crown Vic ex-state police cruiser - Mass license plate GRNOLA). Nature and quiet solitude balanced by driving 15-25 minutes for great coffee, movies, culture, hip shit (couldn't resist) and more New Age therapists per block than anywhere else. If anyone is ever in the area, please call - the Laws of Hospitality are alive and well here.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 08:02:48 (MDT
DENE---- I would love to get into a running diatribe about BRIAN MARCHMONT and what a coward he is, I would love to take you on after each game and re-tell how great a team the STANLEY CUP CHAMPION DALLAS STARS are. I would love to go to the games but alas I am leaving in about one hour to go on my honeymoon. Unless Sorrento, Positano and Rome pick up ESPN I will just have to wait until the next round aganst the Red Wings. I wish I had the nerve to take my friends advice (an avid Penguins fan) and cancel the trip and just serve pasta between periods..... Good Luck but GO STARS!!!
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 05:34:17 (MDT
Francine . . . Forget the Bay Area! Can I come stay in Hawaii? The way you so vividly describe your little 'piece of heaven', I can even hear the birds sing! . . . Now that Spring is here, I can hear and see the birds return to our backyard. We have two brilliant cardinals nesting in one of our birdhouses. There are regal bluejays with their haughty crowns. Proud robin red breasts pick for worms. Little chickadees dart here and there. And of course there are sparrows. Actually, these are the same birds I saw growing up in Bell Park! . . . You mentioned that you come to New York during the summers. Will you be at the reunion July 15th? . . . Speaking of the reunion, I have a bullhorn that we use on our boat that I will bring. It even has a fog horn (to get everyone's attention!). Perhaps someone will volunteer to do the public address for the Championship Softball Game? . . . "Ladies and gentlemen. Now playing left field for forty six yard . . number twenty four . . Lefty Lewkow!!".
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 03:26:35 (MDT
ANDY: Excuse me.... GO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dene Hallam <denehallam@aol.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Friday, April 28, 2000 at 03:13:56 (MDT
Here in Dallas the weather is very calm right now. We are at the time of the year when the violent tornado-spawning thunderstorms are slowly winding down to let the torrid one hundred degree days take over. This can indicate only one thing.....something unknown in NYC.............................. STANLEY CUP HOCKEY !!!!!!!! GO STARS!!!!!!!!!
Andy Lavigne <alavigne11@aol.com>
Dallas, Tx USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 23:21:04 (MDT
Hi Eddie! Cappuccino man is the name of my Biz. I have 5 potrable carts(coffeehouses on wheels)and cater Weddings, b'nai mitzvahs, graduations, corporate events etc. People in this small town know the Cappuccino Man. My older son Noah also works the carts and is also a Capman! Check out my website if you've got a "simcha" in the future. Have Carts...Will travel! Cappuccino-man.com
elliot lewkow <lewkows1@aol>
West Bloomfield, MI USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 17:54:26 (MDT
Harris, That sounds and is spectacular! If my wife reads your post we'll be moving 400 miles north real soon.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 17:30:43 (MDT
Steven Baker, this is for you. It’s a great idea to have us describe where we live now, and I hope a lot of people join in! I was a nature nut when I was growing up in BPG and fondly remember Alley Pond Park as my private nature preserve. I seem to remember the dogwoods and lilacs best, but have no idea if they are there any more. Right now it’s early morning here where I live just outside of Hilo town on the Big Island of Hawaii, and I’m sitting on my front porch (lanai) and looking out over the lawn at our mimosa tree in full bloom, its pink and white feathery flowers spread across the wide umbrella shape of the tree. Tuberoses, roses and lilies from the front flower garden scent the air. Hundreds of finches are competing with about a dozen cardinals and a few mynah birds for the morning’s pickings. The front lemon and orange trees are filled with fruit, some of which I will pick later today to make a citrus tuna salad for dinner. I’ve just returned from my morning 2-mile walk down the road, filled with great wet earth and blooming ginger flower smells and the sound of shama thrush singing on the tradewind breeze. Our dogs, Taiko and Sakura, are chasing each other and leaping up in their ritual Akita dance. In a little while I’ll pull some weeds from the garden, pick some eggplant, tomatoes and peppers and lots of herbs for this weekend’s ratatouille. We’ve also got a bunch of other trees on our three acres; two kinds of grapefruit, three kinds of oranges, lemons, limes, tangelos, three kinds of avocados, coconuts, two kinds of mangos and papayas, lychees and longans, cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, clove, starfruit, breadfruit, surinam cherry and rambutan trees in varying stages of fruiting. The two pineapple patches have lots of 6-inch fruits that should grow a lot bigger and ripen by June. You have never really tasted a pineapple until you cut open one you just picked and slurp it up right there. No acid, just pure heavenly sweetness. The wind is picking up, the tall ohia trees are rustling and the ironwood ladies in their long-needled kimonos dance in the breeze. All that’s missing (and I do sorely miss them) are seasons. My favorite times were when the heat of summer took on a coolness leading to autumn(and yes, school) and also when the grip of winter started to break and we could see little tiny light green buds on the trees. Whenever I get back to NY, I always try for April or September, but seem to make it only in July or December.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 16:27:59 (MDT
To Elliot Lewkow, My daughter just spent a week out in West Bloomfield with some friends. I asked her to ask them if they knew your son. They said sure, He's the Cappuchino man's son. What's that all about?
Eddie Greenberg <eddieg@ix.netcom.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 14:31:45 (MDT
Although I lived in Windsor Oaks, graduated Van Buren in '69 and hung out mainly at 205, I do recognize several names here and cherish in these reminiscence as you all do ... particularly memories from JHS 74. I live in Howell, NJ, with wife Maureen and have two daughters (18 & 19). I just thought that I would add my name to your page and hope that some of you may remember me.
Harris Galary <hgalary@aol.com>
Howell, NJ USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 10:55:22 (MDT
Steven . . . Would you volunteer to lead the nature walk at the reunion? That "stand of mature crabapple trees" is right next to where the picnic will be . . . Harris . . . Next time I'm in the Bay Area, can I stay at your house? It sounds like paradise found!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 08:03:44 (MDT
Steven.. I live with my wife Dianna in San Rafael. We are on the edge of West Marin in an area called Terra Linda.. Spanish for pretty land. It is at the end of San Rafael and the beginning of Sleepy Hollow where a huge ridge starts. From our house we look out over hills.. common here. Today was a beautiful Spring day in California. There are young House Finch hatchlings tucked in an eave right outside our front door. We can see the parents feeding them in the nest. They come back to lay their eggs every Spring. Yesterday and today we saw quite a few black tailed deer..mostly young females & one young Buck, barely in velvet.They come right around the house and head up the ridge that borders us in the rear & on the side. Flowers are blooming everywhere and we are getting some great Ice Plant blooms this year in the area.. a succulent with bright pink flowers. We have an Orange tree in the back yard that is bursting with fruit.. will have to start picking soon. Red Tailed Hawks can be seen circling regularly overhead as they come out of their nests on the ridge..they have a very distinctive high pitched cry. As you walk out to the street you can see part of San Pablo Bay which is what San Francisco Bay is called up in its' Northern section. I hope this helps you visualize where we live.. it is one of many beautiful areas in Marin County CA.
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Thursday, April 27, 2000 at 03:46:31 (MDT
There is a stand of mature Crabapple trees right next to the big parking lot at Alley Pond off Springfield.These trees were perfect for climbing, their gnarled trunks offering great footing , their sturdy main branches quite comfortable to recline on.My initials are carved in to several .This time of year their upper branches are covered with beautiful blossoms of fuscia and pink, not particularly fragrant but breathtaking to look at.To stand in the center of this grove is to be surrounded by Spring in bloom.Here in New Jersey, the cherries, with their delicate blossoms and hanging branches have already flowered but in the distance there is a planting of familiar Crabapple just ready to explode .I will walk through these when they do and think of the carefree days and appreciate an adulthood that still holds excitement for the changing seasons and a love of nature.I would like to hear a picture in words of the environment you now find yourself in.There are some interesting sounding places represented in these posts.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 19:45:03 (MDT
I must put my two cents in. I remember Brian when he was very young. What a good person. I know my brother liked him to. Brian you came a long way. You should be proud of yourself, I know it was not easy.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 16:42:31 (MDT
I would like to wish an old friend Jerry Reis a Happy 46th Birthday. It was only 30 years ago that you were the best BPG drivway Football wide receiver in history. Pete Goldstein, eat your heart out.
Fred Alperin <Fredaspirin@earthlink.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 14:50:08 (MDT
Where are the women of Bell Park Gardens and environs? Is it just me and Helen and occasionally a few others? I know you're out there and have memories and opinions that are just as viable as those of the guys. Come on, we need you here too, before this site becomes a testosterone-induced dream. Brian, although I do not know you, I never intended to speak OF you rather than TO you. Although I disagree with most everything you said, I respect your right to say what you believe and encourage you to continue prodding us with your unique perspective. You are obviously a thoughtful and intelligent person, and have really started someting here; rant on, brother!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 14:30:56 (MDT
Just time to stop and will check it out much further later. Great site, nice to relive the memories.
Bennett Lerner <MTVACCOUNTANT@YAHOO.COM>
Whitestone, NY USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 14:07:10 (MDT
I too am saddened to hear about the death of Mike Rod. As Steve Baker posted awhile back, our music class in Cardozo was ... lacking ... under the previous instructor. After experiencing the high level of music we played at 74, Cardozo was initially a major let down. Then came Mike Rod, who by his own charisma and, yes, hip attitude made the music fun, challenging and worthwhile. Barbara, if you have any additional information please email it to me privately. REgarding the REunion - The F&F committe has discussed a few options for music and entertainment. I read about a dunk tank and, appropriately, that was what I actually alluded to during one of the recent heated exchanges. In keeping with the context of everyone having a fun time, we also discussed hiring a DJ to provide music. Either that or someone(s) step up to volunteer. We think the DJ idea has merit and would like to hear your thoughts. There are several ways to make it happen ... contributions and sponsors could make it work. Following the KISS method, if anyone with enough means wants to contribute, let us know. There must be enough business folks reading this that can make it happen. I would be one. Anyone stepping up to organize the early morning sporting events at 46?
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 07:55:48 (MDT
Actually Mike, I wasn't being cynical regarding Brian. I thought that anyone who could express unpopular views (at least on this site) with such conviction might be concerned about the rest of us as well. And, Brian--let's talk about you like you aren't here :) . Thanks for sending me your private e-mail.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 07:15:16 (MDT
Hey c'mon guys, am I out here all alone on this softball game? I need to hear some chatter from the bench! . . . Further thoughts on 205 park vs 46 yard Championship Game: To deal with the 'generation gap' issue we could have two games. A three inning "Old Timers" game with unlimited designated hitters and a seven inning regular game with normal softball rules. In order to qualify as an old timer you must be over thirty and have attended at least one of the neighborhood schools . . . The regularly scheduled game should be the best team that the captain can put on the field, including but not limited to offspring of old timers. Maybe Mike the Ump will be home plate umpire? Game time is 2:00 PM. All visiting and home team players be at field #7 at 1:30. How does that sound?
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 06:16:17 (MDT
If my 6th grade classmate Steve Polen made one contribution to this site, after reading everything on here for weeks.. and he says there were home punchball games between 205 & 46.. trust me.. you can believe it!
Harris Leibowitz <harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com>
San Rafael, CA USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 03:28:42 (MDT
C'mon guys, west coasters or not, let's cut Brian some slack. I don't know him personally, I vehemently disagree with virtually all of his views, but I respect his intelligence. He is entitled to his conservative views. It doesn't mean his heart is closed. It is no more becoming when liberals take on an air of moral superiority than it is when Brian or other conservatives do so. Trust me on this but it is safe to assume that his views were not the result of a babka induced haze. I had an interesting e-mail exchange with Brian as well, and his viewpoints are sincerely held. Sadly it seems as though he sees the world in absolutes: good and evil, black and white, with no shades of of gray or pastels. Then again, maybe my cynical old friend Jerry is right about the whole exchange.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 01:57:20 (MDT
Ed...u b wrong...According to my brother Elliot there were home-and-home series punchball games in both 1960 and 1961 between P.S. 46 & P.S. 205. 46 had Elliot, Steve Katz, Lenny Gluck, Mike Freese, Alan Traeger, while 205's stars were Alan Altschuld, Peter Shure etc.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Wednesday, April 26, 2000 at 01:42:41 (MDT
I guess its just us West Coasters left awake and posting. (That includes you Francine) Just wanted to recommend a film that I've seen recently that put me in mind a lot of the old neighborhood. "Judy Berlin", Madaline Kahn's (a Bayside alumnae) last film, was terrific. Funny, sad, a little surreal, beautifuly written and acted, and VERY Long Island. (Close enough, right?) You might have to look for it, and it may not be around long, but its worth the effort. It gave me my NY fix, better than Entemenns. And- it has Edie Falco, of the "Sopranos" who was amazing. Thumbs up...
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 23:35:44 (MDT
Francine (and others)--My latest theory is that Brian was perhaps just trying to provoke us into a more spirited form of communication. At least I'd prefer to think that. I must give him credit for making me see the light by clarifying the difference between Deli King, Deli-City, and Pastrami King. You get points for that, don't you??
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 22:50:22 (MDT
I’ve just had a chance to really read the hot debate between Brian, Mike, Larry, Saul, Mindy and Jerry. I can only conclude that staying in Bayside has stunted Brian’s tolerance and compassion while moving on has enhanced that of the others. Maybe moving away leaves us sighing for Adrian’s babka, but staying closes the heart? Steve Willet, Stuart Friedberg, Roni Friedberg, Stu Schneider, where are you all and why aren’t you posting these days? Come on, we NEED you guys! I’m still looking for the whereabouts or news of the following people: Gerry Solomon, Sheila Hershkowitz, Diane Kaufman, Joan Tenzer and Bonnie Smith. If anyone out there knows where they are or what they’re doing, please let me know. I have been in touch with my three best BPG friends, Roni Friedberg, Sharon Heifetz and Doris Kleiman, but they too have lost touch with the others. Ed...so draw a picture!
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 22:38:35 (MDT
Barbara: I was saddened to hear of the death of Mike Rod .He was hip and a real musician as well as being connectd to the Columbia U. protesters who were so in the news those months.We all felt he was one of us and being in the school band was most special the year he was involved in it.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 21:32:49 (MDT
Fran . . . Sorry, don't have a scanner. Besides, as everyone knows by now, I like to go incognito! But not to the reunion . . Speaking of the reunion, many must think I have lost my mind to throw down the gauntlet and challenge 205 park for the Neighborhood Softball Championship. I estimate they are younger than us by eight years. But I may not be as dumb as first appears . . I assume the game will be played by members of both web sites . . AND their children! So, for every ten year old they can bring, we should have an eighteen year old! . . Now the only trick is to get you all to bring your kids!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 17:30:04 (MDT
Judy Kasay, It's been a very long, long, looooong time!! I hope all has been well for yourself and your family. In balance, I lean heavily towards the good. Please respond with a REAL e-mail address.
MIchael Been <jozaje@bestweb.net>
Middletown, NY USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 17:26:36 (MDT
Dave, I always loved Mitch's spirit! He was one guy you wanted on your team, not the other side. If you ever track him down try to get him on site.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 16:05:30 (MDT
Let's think about what we'll do when the posts reach 100,000 in the not-too-distant future. I vote for finding a publisher (web & print) and volunteer to edit with a light and tolerant hand, if others will assist. Who knows? Disseminating the story of our little corner of the world and the seeds it sent into the wind may be the good deed we were put here on this earth to do. Ed, please post a picture of yourself or send me one as an e-mail attachment, so I can remember what that precocious boy who volunteered to help ben get reelected looks like! Billy and Chet, NOW I remember you. Your parents were saints for not chasing us away while we thumped your livingroom wall every day for years. There was, and will never be, another wall like it for wallball. ;o)
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 15:00:29 (MDT
Ray, that softball team was run by Mike Savoy another 205 alum-last we had heard Mitch was back east in Pittsburgh area, although efforts to track him down have not worked out-I played hockey with Mitch and baseball with his brother Corey-Mitch was a legend amongst us hockey players-we all had equipment from head to toe-he wore skates, glove, jersey and bandana-no shinguards or anything else!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 12:52:32 (MDT
Bernie & Lefty: When we got over to 74 in September of 1965 I became friendly with a lot of the guys from 205. Mitch Resnick, [Artz] Ronnie Rubin, & David Getz to name a few. They had more than their share of exceptional athletes. I think any sports series between us would have been competitive. I know Mitch lived out here in the 80's and and played on the best softball team in LA.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 12:20:45 (MDT
Saul . . . After reading your post describing the bench in Alley Pond Park where you kissed your sweetie and "on a clear day you can see the bay" well, I just had to go there . . . Although I couldn't find your sweetie, it was a picture perfect day and yes, my eyes followed the Throgs Neck Bridge to City Island and beyond! Thanks for the subliminal suggestion . . . Francine . . . I thought it was you who worked in Congressman Rosenthal's Queens office at the Flushing library! Thank you for being kind to a young boy who worked in one of the Congressman's re-election campaigns . . . I too cannot recall any P.S. 205 vs P.S. 46 punchball championship games. However, at the risk of inciting a riot, why don't we re-enact the event on the softball field? Since our reunion on July 15th is open to all, how about a scanit4u vs TOTC softball game? Winner takes home bragging rights till next year! Now THAT would be interesting!! Just a thought.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 10:25:59 (MDT
Sad News. I just found out that Michael Rod died Aug 3, 1999. He taught music at Cardozo HS the first year the school was opened. Those who knew him know what an incredible musician, and wonderful person, he was.
Barbara Gellis Shapiro <barbara@gate.net>
West Palm Beach, FL USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 09:54:33 (MDT
Bernie & Ray .... No .. there was no 46 VS. 205 punchball game, but Bernie is correct, we would have won.... easily....( Wow .. I can't wait for the evil comments to be posted.. in CAPITAL LETTERS ... in about 8 minutes from now ) .... When we played on the summer softball team, we played other teams and went to other schools. I reminded Ray that he played third ( and very well I remember), and I played first. I think bernie played outfield or second..I STILL have my first baseman's glove from those days, used it having a catch with my son on Sunday, and it still has the dents that Ray made when he threw to me from third. Have a great week everybody.. ALAN
Alan ("LEFTY") Lefton <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 07:17:05 (MDT
Ray-I'll have to defer to Alan's memory regarding a 46 v 205 punchball game in 65'. I don't remember one, but I can tell you who would have won!! Hey Ray- how about my Cardinals.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 06:47:37 (MDT
Yaaaaggghhh!!!! I spend a few days trying to invent work- arounds for glitchy new software, and TOTC has become a hotbed of philosophical discussion, mostly about events and institutions that have shaped my long and evenful life. Yes, our generation's need to create a more just society than the one we grew up in (hard to believe, huh?) and our ability to elevate protest to media events did change America. I remember sitting in our living room on 218th street and watching the news with my family when a man identified as the chief of police of Saigon walked up to another man and shot him in the head. Live. On TV. In my livingroom. How could I just sit there, or go to school, or to work, without DOING something? The next day I called a friend who knew abou such things and before I knew it I was licking envelopes for McCarthy and driving in some crazy Iowan's broken down MG to Chicago to protest at the Democratic convention. We had all cut our teeth at civil rights demonstrations down south and closer to home, and cried together a hundred thousand strong as JFK's funeral cortege passed us on a cold Washington street. Chicago was the worst, the most brutal, and it changed everyone who experienced the windy, smelly, corrupt city that summer. Many of us came home to drop out of the system. Others stayed in, trying to change things as insiders. The result? Your opinion is as good as mine; we each see what we want to see. After years of working for a congressman (our Bayside congressman, Ben Rosenthal), I moved to Hawaii to get a life. For the past 12 years I've been teaching at a public high school, and boy, has that experience opened my eyes. Those of you who appreciate the excellent education we were afforded know how rare a commodity it is today. Most, not all, but most kids just get by unless brilliant or highly motivated, and our school standards have been dumbed down to accomodate that attitude. It's not the kids in my classes who refuse to aspire to high standards, it's their parents! I find it heartening and refreshing to hear from so many of you who understand that your kids are the center of your lives, the reason you are here, and take that responsibiliy and joy seriously. Just another reason to be proud and awed by what a simple little housing project for returning war veterans has spawned. Ahh, yes, I am rambling, but who better to ramble to?
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at 01:01:17 (MDT
Billy--Are you related to Teri Elfenbein. I was in a couple of her classes in JHS 74. I remember her for her singing voice.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 23:07:57 (MDT
What wnoderful memories! I left the area soon after my Bar Mitvah (OJC). April 1959 and was uprooted to the boondocks of Miami's yet to sprawl suburbs and just ahead of the Cuban encampment. The memoireis I have are rich in flavor and texture and after reading all these wonderful posts have had sigh or two or three.....I have attended several BPG reunions here in South Fla and was thrilled to meet many of your parents, but sadly none of you. I saw JOE the Icecream Man! He brought tears to my eyes! I have since spoken to his son Jerry and have accidently met other BPG'ers online. I wish someone from my class would recognise my name and begin correspondence. My twin and I grew up in the building 3 courtyard, we were original tenants, went to 46 and 74. Some of you may remeber my mother the hairdresser and my dad the"eggman". Thanks ever so much for the wonderful memories and the roots we planted but never realised just how deep they go!
Billy Elfenbein <L5bine@aol.com>
Miami, fl USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 22:40:01 (MDT
With my brother and his kids visiting from Michigan, I've been off the site for a couple of days. It's great to see the diversity of philosophies expressed here. I totally agree with Jerry Schwartz that we all need to be a little nicer to eachother. Steve Polen I don't know you, but I enjoyed reading your initial post. It's great to have people from Windsor Oaks, Windsor Park, the private homes, etc; jump on board. After all we grew up in the same neighborhood. I was trying to jog my memory to see if we played a home and home punchball series with 205 in 1965. I couldn't recall. Bernie or Lefton help me here.
Ray Lewkow <MrLew16@aol.com>
Culver City, CA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 20:03:56 (MDT
Stevie - Oh to have just one shoe box of my old baseball cards. The truth is ... what I'd REALLY like to do is walk straight back following the path along 73rd. At the top of the cliffs where 73 curves left was a park bench where on a clear day you could see the Bay & City Island. IN the winter we sleighed straight down. IN warmer weather it was one of the best places to kiss your sweetie. Oo we - now that was fun. Of course a good day of stickball ... hmmm, let me think of this.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 19:11:29 (MDT
Grew up in Windsor Oaks but I know some of you from 205 such as the Zimmerman brothers, others from OJC such as Steve Willet and too many to mention from JHS 74. After reading all the posts, and I mean all of them in the last 2 months I would like to add one memory to the board. In 1963 my 6th grade class at 205 played home and home punchball games with the 6th grade class of 46. The two games were split with both teams winning on the home field. Considering the different dimensions of the two schoolyards this was not a surprising result. Does anybody recall any other 205 vs. 46 games in other years. Thanks for all the fun memories from a great neighborhood to grow up in whether you lived inBPG, Windsor Oaks, Windsor Park or the private homes.
Steve Polen <pova51@mediaone.net>
LA, USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 18:30:15 (MDT
looking for gail gelber, andrea kempner, michael been, peter schnur, collette & jan, billy drusin
Judi Kassay (rubenstein) <ziggy52>
Marlboro, NJ USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 17:12:37 (MDT
OK - This website has gotten a little too serious. It's a new baseball season. Anyone want to meet me at 46 to flip some baseball cards?
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 15:17:40 (MDT
I checked in this morning to find a barrage of amazingly eloquent commentaries on the state of the universe. The world in which I live may be very insular (although not very insulated) in that everything I do is for my child, who can not live a normal life. In the course of dealing with school districts, other parents, friends (some of whom are no longer friends), relatives and just the daily stuff that life doles out to all of us, I have come to realize that there is alot of cruelty to one another, much more than there used to be. If you want to point to the 60s as an era in which at least compassion was considered a virtue, then I'd feel really good about that, if only because the world is so devoid of it now. Even if the 60s could be looked upon as an era of limousine liberalism, at least people made an effort to care about who was standing next to them. This list seemed to foster that environment, and much credit is due to Larry for bringing that to our community. The participants helped keep it going. If you believe in nothing else, make a contribution to nothing or no one else, have no other ideals or philosophies or dogma you'd like to share with the rest of us, then quite simply, let's just be a little nicer to each other. That's all that matters. And one of our mothers might say "What could it hurt?"
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 12:21:47 (MDT
Brian- I don't think I know you, but if you are related to Dale or Wendy, they were both in some of my classes- 205,74 and Cardozo. Certainly we all have a right to our opinions- but I thought many of your statements were huge generalizations-blaming a whole generation for today's problems. I'm sure you didn't mean it but I must say I was reminded of the thinking of many small and hateful minded people during WWII blaming Jews,Catholics,Gays etc for the problems of the world. Being a public health professional and understanding that the main cause of poor health and mortality in this country and around the world is poverty, I blame global capitalism and corporate greed for the status of the world's condition. No I am not a card carrying communist, but if there was full employment,at a liveable wage,affordable housing and daycare and some sort of universal healthcare, we would not need welfare, food stamps or have homeless people. I also believe that each generation builds on the one before it. My father refused to become a teacher in the 1950s because of the loyalty oath he was required to take under the McCarthy era. I am so grateful that I came up during the 60s and the 70s. It has shaped me to be the person I am today. I was undergraduate student at SUNY at Buffalo in the early 70s and I have to say I learned more out of the classroom. I witnessed the Attica trials and participated in demonstrations, opened a Women's Bookstore with a collective which is still operating, participated in a coalition with VietNam Veterans Against the War, and advocated for women's reproductive .I continue to work in my community and son's school for the things I believe in. It can take place on any level. I worked with school committee members and parents to reduce class size and we won! I believe I have passed these values on to my son and he is extremely sensitive to the problems of the world.
Mindy (Friedman) Mazur <Mindy_Mazur@yahoo.com>
Milton, MA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 10:41:25 (MDT
Brian - FYI ... my 'plein de merde' comment was not meant as a personal attack but rather a comment on your smoke screen of complaints (my perception). It seems you're just now starting to get down to the tofu & broccoli of the issues which thou doth protest against. But I disagree, and will stick by my original observation ... you are obviously VERY pissed at something ... and I hope you don't feel the need to continue to hide behind your real issues. Example - here's what pisses me off about the educational standards of today. I live in the La Di Dah Happy Valley of Amherst, MA - the PC center of the Universe. This bonehead crowd of pseudo-intellectual baffoons have their heads so far up where the sun doesn't shine that it's past humerous. I believe, basically, that we had as good an education as possible. Now, these knuckleheads are trying to fix what ain't broke and make everything NICE for the little darlings, and what they're doing is producing a generation that's growing up thinking life is fair (Fair - is a weather condition). This current generation of high school graduates have no real social motivation to improve the quality of life for all - something that our generation believed (and succeeded in achieving) was OUR manifest destiny. I'm overjoyed at what I see are the exceptions to the rule these days - students with a consciousness beyond their own vanity - and thank g-d a lot of us 50's, 60's, and 70's generation parents learned enough to pass it on. Although I bitch, moan and complain about this overly PC crowd (don't even get me started on the anti-smoking crusaders who are now dictating against free enterprise), causing Right is a lot better and more satisfying than making wrong. Your energy would be better invested in blaming less, and leading more from your convictions (medicine I take on a daily basis - besides, a few minutes of whining is good for everyone - but just a few).
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 10:31:11 (MDT
In the last few days, while was anticipating the seeming demise of TOTC, I checked out the 205 sight, as a way of Methadone weaning myself from months of (semi-regular) participation here. It was definitly Brand X folks, friendly enough, but very superficial- and I was lamenting the possible loss of this virtual community. Now, (interestingly over Easter weekend) TOTC seems to have risen from the dead. I've been so impressed with the quality of debate and insight these last few days. (Nice comments Stu and Mike) Some of your ancesters, that might have been talmudic scholars would be proud! I believe that the natural web and flow of a phenomenon such as this place will continue to have people coming and going. I hope that the juice of the last few days keeps streaming and drawing more people.
Helen Behar <hindab@cruzio.com>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 09:47:55 (MDT
Brian--Is there a problem with your e-mail? I tried to respond to your private e-mail this morning and received error messages on both attempts.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 09:09:22 (MDT
I love this website. Despite the turmoil, it is still home to me. I enjoy the passion and insight and humor so many of you bring to it. I belong to this community and it feels good. It is not a perfect place, but we live here. And I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The webmaster's attempt to broaden the community should be applauded. Even if his approach is imperfect or wrong. In my opinion, in respect of eight months of superb webmastering, Larry has earned the right to be wrong. I accept his point that we have lost dozens and dozens of folks whose earlier posts enriched the site and are now sorely missed. In the absence of exit interviews, I don't know why they no longer choose to join us. But I support anyone's efforts, including our webmaster's, to see if we can get them to participate again. I am not in full agreement with his approach, but the harshness of some of the responses to his suggestion is disheartening. He deserves nothing but credit for making a proposal...even an imperfect one. As for the fellow who huffed and puffed and took his ball home and left the community, I think you ought to come back. Everyone ought to come back. This site, imperfect as it might be, ought to be cherished, even when it stumbles. Just like our community. Just like our neighborhood. Just like our family. It is very, very special. And I'm glad to say it.
stu levin <stulevin@hotmail.com>
fort salonga, ny USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 08:23:55 (MDT
I am going to use my DAILY posting to say that I am proud to share this website with the likes of Brian, Mike, Jerry, Saul, Steven, Larry and Jeff. All you gents are thinking individuals who are not afraid to share their opinions with the class! I am quite sure there are others out there (of both sexes) with equally vibrant intellects . . . I, for one, would love to hear your opinion (about anything you choose!).
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 07:42:16 (MDT
I just read a posting by Jeff Schwart where he made reference to Tommy The Parkie and Mr. Paul. I smiled and thought to my self that on the people at the TOTC know what you're talkign about. The memories are great. Thank g-d we all think enough of teh past memories to bring them to light on this Web site. Who would have evr thought that all of it would have been talkign baout it some 30 plus years later. Thank Larry..for the TOTC web site
Steve <muzikworld@aol.com>
USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 06:14:24 (MDT
Brian, one final thought. I don't look at my kids and bemoan what they do. In fact I'm very proud of who they are and what they do, and when I clear away the fog of nostalgia I recognize that the values I've tried to instill in them: compassion for the less fortunate, standing up for what they believe is right, caring for their environment all have a common source in that baby boomer generation you wish to condemn.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 02:28:36 (MDT
Webmaster, I apologize for my unusually long post, forgive me if I've used up my quota (Brian would probably prefer a different word) of posts for the week, mea culpa, mea culpa. As hard as I tried, I just could not prevent myself from responding to his post.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 02:12:54 (MDT
Brian--Let's see if I have this straight--the barbarians are inside the walls and the baby boomers are responsible for the decline of western civilization. As a card carrying member of the ACLU I defend your right to express your views, but your rhetoric is more excessive than even Rush Limbaugh. (1) The utter destruction of educational standards--NONSENSE! I've been involved in curriculum issues in my school district for about 12 years, and I'm on the site council at our local elementary school. Educational standards are not the problem, they've actually become more stringent inthe past ten years. Trust me, Arizona is hardly ahead of the curve on this, or any other issue. The real problem is the pandering of legislators to the selfishness of our body politic, i.e., those who cut taxes at all costs rather than properly funding public education. (2) The total abolition of all concepts of morality---Are you for real? Fortunately, the American public is sophisticated enough to distinguish between public morality: Nixon/LBJ/Reagan/Bush lying to the American people about policy issues and private morality, Clinton lying about Monica. Please don't tell me Ken Starr is a man of virtue defending America's morality. As a former prosecutor myself I find the actions of Ken Starr morally repugnant. Prosecutors cannot forget their duty to respect the constitutional rights of defendants and witnesses and Ken Starr's office repeatedly trampled those rights. Ken Starr's investigation was about politics pure and simple. If you recall the prior special prosecutor, Whitney North Seymour, was a highly respected former US Attorney who actually knew something about prosecuting cases, but he was too non-partisan so instead of reappointing him, none other than Jesse Helms pushed for Starr's appointment. (3)Poisoning pop culture--Our parents probably said the same things about our music. Personally I love the Beatles early music AND their late music, drug induced or not. It's really quite simple, if you don't like today's music, and other mass media, you don't listen to it. (4)Destroying the constitution in the name of racial equality. Let me take a guess, you don't like affirmative action. The fact is affirmative action has accomplished considerably more good than bad, and regrettably is probably still necessary in our society, but the last time I looked the constitution was still alive and well. If you don't like affirmative action, you probably also don't like the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act or for that matter the Americans With Disabilities Act. As a resident of Phoenix I don't get the opportunity to vote for "people like Hillary Clinton" this year, or for that matter most years, but your diatribe has definitely persuaded me to take out my checkbook and send her a campaign contribution. Brian, thanks for the stimulation, I actually felt my blood boiling as I read your post, but please lighten up.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, April 24, 2000 at 02:03:46 (MDT
Where are the graduates of Cardozo 1970, first graduating class? Anyone see, Judy Kleiman, Tina Brenner, Carol Met, Sharon Hensel, Brianne ?, Steven Sobel, Alan Kassey, B. Rosenbaum, Robby Bernstein, Jan Schoenfeld? Help me find them!
Trudy Morgan Mazin <gmazin@aol.com>
Randolph, NJ USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 22:51:49 (MDT
Brian--You're wearing me out. I for one am glad to see testing become more individualized. As a parent of an autistic child who does not comunicate in any way that you may recognize, he requires the kind of special treatment you seem to abhor. And that would be true no matter what race, creed or color he was. I really don't understand why you are so angry with today's world (and yesterday's for that matter). I just know that I would gladly lend you my quota of posts for next week if you could just tell me why.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 22:34:10 (MDT
Mr. Webmaster: I'm going to borrow from next week to respond this week to the two preceding posts. (1) "The "educational standards" you talk about were based on culturally biased tests. . . . Is the destruction of those standards a bad thing?" Thanks for providing Exhibit "A" as to what went wrong. Standard, grammatically correct English, the Western cannon of literature, and math are now "culturally biased." Thus begins the slipperly slope to Ebonics. To make better tennis players, simply lower the net. (2) "are you saying that Kennedy never had an affair while in the White House?" Thanks for Exhibit "B". JFK didn't commit perjury and suborn perjury, and even if he did, that's no defense for Clinton. (3) "Pop culture today includes "World Music" a category that didn't exist years ago, opening up American society to different cultures through music." If you include the music-less Rap, much less "gangsta rap," you've given me Exhibit "C". If not, I can't quarrel. As for Mr. Wilner in Amherst at granola.com--I'm neither angry, blind, nor plein de merde. I do think that my country has lost its direction at the hands of people who might've meant well at one time, and we're all paying for it. What's wrong with that? I think I've enraged the left wing (which lectures people to tolerate diversity of opinions only to pummel those opinions), and will duck under the nearest table. (Finally, if anybody wonders what this has to do with top-of-the-court, I'm told that, at the time of the Rosenbergs, Building 32 was a hotbet of activism. This debate is in the spirit of the old Bell Park.)
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 22:08:54 (MDT
Larry The Webmaster...My Brother...Thank you for creating this great site...It has brought coumtless people together who had lost touch and many fond memories back to others...Your new rules of posting remind me of the times the older guys would be on the full court and the younger ones would have to wait all day till they left to play...Of course, when the younger guys got older, the rules never changed...They would dominate the court, until Tommy the Parkie would kick them off and Mr. Paul would usher them on with "show them how to play."...For Everyone who has "Next" and everyone who has yet to post or arrive at this site and everyone who is on the court, it is time to choose up fair sides.
Jeff Schwartz <Jeffideo@aol.com>
Bayside, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 19:44:04 (MDT
Saul--Besides largely agreeing with what you say, because of the educational standards set by our generation, I understand your French! Good job.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 17:30:37 (MDT
Brian - it's pretty obvious that you have a bone to pick - but with who? After reading a post of yours awhile back, I mentioned that for every finger you point - three come back at you. I would like to know what you're REALLY pissed at. Too many of the youngsters today, graduates of the school of the Young and The Brainless, are doing exactly what you complain their parents did. I recently received an, interesting, email - an excerpt from Bill Gates' new book. He offers 11 rules that complaining students should learn in school, but don't. Without commenting on Mr. Gates, I found his insight, very insightful. Rules of Life for Todays Students (according to Mr. Gates): 1) Life is not fair, get used to it, 2) The world won't care about your self esteem. The world WILL expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself, 3) You will NOT make $40,000/yr right out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car phone, until you EARN both, 4) If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss. He doesn't have tenure, 5) Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your (grand)parents had a different word for burger flipping; they called it opportunity, 6) If you mess up it's not your parents fault, so don't whine (a favorite pastime of todays graduates) about your mistakes, learn from them, 7) Before you were born your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rainforest from the parasites of your parents generation, try 'delousing' your room, 8) Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades, they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life, 9) Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. do it on your own time, 10) Television is NOT real life. IN real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs. A bit lenghty, I apologize, but fairly accurate. Why you are so quick to condemn a generation (which maybe you do not include yourself with) is still a mystery. It would seem that your energy would be better served by leading by example ... quite complaining about what (you perceive) others have done and show how you believe it can be better. This current younger generation can use the direction that you could offer. Personally I appreciate your willingness to share your views (you at least have that much in common with the generation you condemn)... I also think you're angry, blind, misguided et plein de merde.
Saul Wilner <info@800granola.com>
Amherst, MA USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 16:48:29 (MDT
"The youth of today loves luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter instead of work. Children are now the tyrants...of their households. They contradict their parents, chatter in front of company, gobble up food and tyrannize teachers." If I am not mistaken, those words were spoken by Socrates in 400 B.C. Brian -- Let me play devils advocate for a sec. The "educational standards" you talk about were based on culturally biased tests. Indeed, look at the contestants on the show "Who wants to be a Millionaire" where you qualify by answering questions correctly. The questions asked almost guarrantee the age, gender and race of the contestants. So did college entrance examinations. Is the destruction of those standards a bad thing? On morality -- are you saying that Kennedy never had an affair while in the White House? Was it morally correct to pretend it didn't happen? When abortions were illegal what do you think people who wanted abortions did? Pop culture today includes "World Music" a category that didn't exist years ago, opening up American society to different cultures through music. The Beatles brought Indian meditative practices to America's attention. Now we, our parents, and our kids are taking courses like tai chi, falun dafa, yoga for health etc. Could that have been possible without the baby boomers? Well, as for people who vote for Hillary Clinton, I'll give you that one ;-) I think you are short changing the positive impact of boomers.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 16:29:01 (MDT
The baby boom generation is responsible for the following: (1) the utter destruction of educational standards (thanks to those who think that "feeling good" is paramount); (2) the total abolition of all concepts of morality (those who ranted that Starr should leave Clinton alone because "everybody does it" need only look in the mirror) ; (3) the poisoning of pop culture, particularly music (those multitudes who didn't blink as the Beatles took a generation from their timeless early songs to their late "music to take drugs to" need only look in the mirror); (4) destroying the U.S. Constitution in the name of racial equality (those who are so afraid to be called racist that they support racial quotas -- and those who will vote for people like Hillary Clinton who proudly support such things -- are responsible.) Those who look at their kids and bemoan what they do and what they listen to need only clear away the fog of nostalgia and realize that they are part of a generation that is responsible for it.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 14:40:59 (MDT
The Great War behind us and the knowlege that with nuclear weapons we could end life on earth the society went through a period of sustained optimism .This was the climate in which we grew up.While we may have been wrong about the Denim Utopia that rock and roll could bring about I think we all are grateful to have lived through times when human rights issues and peace meant something to young people.There appears to be a deeper alienation among kids today and a lack of something meaningful to unite them in spirit.I think this spiritual challenge is the greatest one this next generation faces.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth , NJ USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 13:57:05 (MDT
What I was trying to say when I asked (not in these exact words) did it make a difference, of course it did at the time. But now that we are the age of those we criticized, has our society remembered that part of the past enough to focus on the right things. I don't think it does anymore. Baby boomers learned, whether subliminally or otherwise, to value material things. Maybe not every single one of you did, but when we learned how important making a buck (and in my case, it's A buck, relatively speaking) was, we focused on different things. It can be argued that social consciousness took a back seat to family and security. It's reflected in our homes, our cars, and the neighborhoods many of us live in. That's my reality check for today.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 13:56:03 (MDT
Mike . . . Sure, America is a different place than it was before the antiwar protests. First there was the 60's "free love" generation, then the 70's "protest" generation, then the 80's "me" generation and now the 90's "x" generation. America has always been a changing, dynamic society! Perhaps that is the key to what makes us the envy of the world (but I digress) . . . However, there are some constants that override all else! What is it that we worry about? (Besides anonymous postings) . . . Our 401k (retirement), paying for college (children) and what's it all about Alfie? (happiness) - and not necessarily in that order. And what did our parents worry about? The same exact things! And we thought we would change the world forever!!
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 12:38:41 (MDT
This site really got me thinking... returning on the bus from a field trip to the Bronx Zoo in 3rd grade... When we pulled up to 46, a woman ran up to the bus crying that JFK had been shot.... Vivid memories of Free Camp during the summers, field trips to Shea Stadium, flipping baseball cards, biking over to 73rd and Bell Blvd, biking over to Springfield Blvd to have a slice and a Coke for 25 cents at Joe's Pizza...
Ken Countess <ken73@aol.com>
Southlake, TX USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 12:07:47 (MDT
Jibralta--As I told you privately your story about Mr. Dallis was heart rendering. He was always my favorite teacher, and your story just confirms everything I ever felt about the man. Thank you for sharing it. As to the antiwar protests. I agree with you, those of us who protested the war had a major positive impact on our society. America is a very different country than it might have been. Civil rights, feminism, the environment, and foreign policy were all impacted and in my view impacted for the better by our generation. How ironic is it that our Cardozo classmate George Tenet is the Director of the CIA? I think you misunderstood me regarding moratorium. There were many many antiwar demonstrations and I also attended most protests in NY and DC, but in October 1969 the antiwar movement actually called the scheduled demonstration "The Moratorium", and it was that one demonstration that I was referring to.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 12:01:25 (MDT
Would also love to hear from Steve Sobel and Josh Zara, I am sure more names will come to me.
Robert Fishman <DRROB555aol.com>
USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 11:31:58 (MDT
My brother Dave turned me on to this site yester day and I have read all the messages. Brings back incredible memories. woul loe to hear from Steve Shwartz, Kissy, Robert "Bernie" Bernstein, bobby Winkler, Ira Neirman,Judy Lifshultz, michelle, Trudy, Sharon and anyone else who rmembers me or David. Just saw Cathy fleder in Fort Lauderdale the other day while I was down for Passover and spoke with Joel "Bloom" on the phone. If there are old Bell Parkers in the DC metro area maybe we can have a reunion. Write me and I will try to arrange it. Rob
Robert Fishman <DRROB555aol.com>
USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 11:30:41 (MDT
kevin..i agree with ellen, if u have a gripe on how the webmaster is handling this, u should discuss it with him..if it is a legitimate gripe i am sure since he was kind enough to spend so much time creating this site, that he would be agreeable...i dont know him but i do appreciate all the work he has put into this and i would hate to see it go away...by the way its Peri not Perry...stick around, im sure u will find some postings that interest u...like ellen, i am not into punchball or yogis but that is the beauty of this site...there is something for everyone...take what u want and leave the rest...the best part as far as i am concerned is reconnecting with people i havent seen in 30 years since our lives have all gone in different directions...we grew up with wonderful neighbors and friends and were very lucky...i dont know of any neighborhoods like that today...i dont even know my neighbors on my block...people, including myself, are just too busy these days..as the old song goes...let's hang on to what we got
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 09:29:38 (MDT
I accidently found this website a few months ago by surfing through baby boomers and recommended it to my 2 brothers (they've been on it a lot more tahn I have). I haven't been on it in quite awhile and was just surfing through some of the emails in the chat rooms this morning. Brings back lots of memories. My parents still live in BPG and we visit them a few times a year. It looks like nothing really changes. There were new windows, siding and screen doors. Of course the ethnic makeup is very different. But i'll tell you that when I got off the LIE and saw that Kiels (the big florist on Springfield and the LIE) is now a big brick Korean church, I sadly realized that things are very different. My parents keep me up to date on all teh store changes (the last kosher butcher in the area just closed). Anyway Happy holidays to all.
Rich Weber <richy9rich@aol.com>
Marlboro, NJ USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 09:02:27 (MDT
Hi Kevin I just wanted you to know that I do not know anything about punchball or yogi's but I try to participate Sometimes I think it is interesting and sometimes its not. As far as postings if yours was deleted ask the webmaster why, he probably had a good reason. Also I am sure if you had two posts in a week you would not be deleted. Plez continue to post because I am sure you have interesting things to say. I also hope that this reunion is still on because their are some old friends I would like to see and new ones I would like to meet. And thats my 2 cents.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman) <smokeycat1999@juno.com>
West hempstead, Ny USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 06:37:39 (MDT
No Perry the only problem I have is when I have something to say that isn't about Punchball or Yogie's it gets deleted! Not only are you limiting how many times people can post, but you are editing the contents of the posts! What is this Cuba or Russia?
Kevan Schaum <Boyshkin@msn.com>
USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 06:12:44 (MDT
Kevin...that is sooooo mean and unnecessary.....there are some of us who do still enjoy this site and would not have connected if not for it...im sure many still will...feel free to leave if it bores or offends you but as francine says we are free to read what we want and ignore the rest...happy passover and easter to all
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 06:04:04 (MDT
R.I.P. TOTC
Kevan Schaum
USA - Sunday, April 23, 2000 at 05:09:02 (MDT
Just reread that last posting of mine, found it ungrateful and want to add one VERY important thing. Larry, despite my feelings about restrictions, you are doing one hell of a job and I (and I suspect, many others) would be out on the streets getting into trouble if we did not have TOTC to come home to.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 23:23:06 (MDT
Hey, Larry you and I recently had an interesting dialog that ended well, at least for me, so I feel a little reluctant telling you that I think that your restriction suggestion makes you first cousin to the book burners, censors and control freaks of this world. This being Passover, will you try to remember what freedom (of speech and everything else) has meant to our people for thousands of years? If some of us get tired of "the regulars", regardless of penis size, posting often, we are under no obligation to read those postings. That is the beauty of freedom; we can choose what we wish to pay attention to and ignore what we do not care about. You have cast a pall over the joyous, unfettered frolic that has been TOTC. Please rethink your idea and let us know what you have rethunk. Oh, and Ed, I will say hello to Celia for you, (she's offline until further compter purchase) and encourage my Dad to post (if he's still allowed to) when he returns from Florida any day now. I'd like to add my name to the list of others who have asked that you simply e-mail us your musings if TOTC becomes a place of restriction and supression. And Dene, it's been nice meeting and talking to you. Sometimes I get to feeling isolated here on this rock in the middle of the ocean and a friendly word warms the heart.
Francine (Hochvert) Pearson <pdspears@hilo.net>
Hilo, HI USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 23:16:12 (MDT
There are not enough hitters on this site
Duke Bank <duke11207@aol>
New York, NY USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 20:15:24 (MDT
Student Activism at Cardozo: Sorry this is one page behind, but I only read the site only rarely... MICHAEL DUHLBERG, you're correct, the stoppage of traffic on the L.I.E. WAS about the murders of the Kent State students because I was one of the people who stopped traffic on the freeway...one man refused to stop his car and I was hit (in very slow motion) and ended up under his car... at which point he stopped... I was picked up, unhurt, by a few guys and people began to beat on his windows and he drove off in fear for his life. But, I have to disagree with you on a few other points. Since I went to Washington D.C. for nearly almost every anti-war moratorium demonstration... I can tell you that there were MANY more moratorium demonstrations than one. But, the one that you detail (where the construction workers rioted and senselessly beat peaceful demonstrators in NYC) was a surreal experience for me... because I was at it... and later that night as my (very conservative) parents watched the news coverage on TV, they spoke about how they wished the demostrators were beaten more! :-( As for the take-over of the principal's office at Cardozo, I wish PETER DREW would step in here.. as I recall that it was about the oppressive tactics of the school administration. I was not one of the students who sat in, as I was an 11th grader, but RENE GANDOLFI, who was our student president when we were in 11th grade, led the sit-in, along with white and black students including the late LYNN DAVIDOFF (my best friend). I did go to the TRIAL of the arrested students... as I recall, charges were dropped. But, after the sit-in changes WERE made: school assemblies were more ethnically diverse (once a month we had a Black Student assembly), the Black Student's Union was formed (I was in Peter Drew's Black History class... so I got to know alot of these students as only 4 whites were in the class, including myself), and I know that PETER DREW recently wrote me that the faculty was allowed to organize against the war after the sit-in. So for all you cynics out there, YES, the sit-in DID accomplish things. And, for my dear friend JERRY SCHWARZ's question did it all amount to anything? YES, we (the anti-war movement) stopped a terrible war and probably saved thousands of American and Vietnamese lives in the process. I think it's also prevented America from getting involved in OTHER civil wars. And I can say that the Boomer generation did make a difference... all one has to see is all the civil rights, Earth Day, anti-war, feminist rights, gay rights activism and the peace at Woodstock... and compare that to Woodstock '99 where there were dozens of rapes, a few murders and disgusting, meaningless violence. Compare our peaceful anti-war demonstrations with sometimes a million people to the present day school shootings, gang drive-by murders, and the amount of teenagers that are committing violent crimes, killing their babies and murdering their parents... and I'd say there's a HUGE difference in our idealism and their misanthropic nihilism.
Jibralta "Joy" Merrill <BaysideBop@aol.com>
Studio City, CA USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 18:37:33 (MDT
JEFF: C'MON! ;-)
Dene Hallam <denehallam@aol.com>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 18:25:08 (MDT
Last time that I posted this, the first few paragraphs were deleted... so here's my post again with my memories of Mr. Dallis... I'd like to share some Mr. Dallis experiences with all of you... things that some of you don't know. He was my math and home room teacher because I was in 7SP2 and yes guys, LAURIE SCHWARTZ was the arm wrestling champion! LOL!! You guys have no idea how GREAT it was for a skinny girl like me to see a girl almost as skinny as I was BEAT THE PANTS OFF OF EVERY BOY IN THE CLASS. I vividly remember the Larry Goldberg vs. Laurie Schwartz match. She must have weighed 90 lb., because at the time I was about 75 lb. and she WON! She defeated the biggest kid in the grade at arm wrestling! She wasn't a discipline problem... she was from the other side of the tracks, so to speak, and she and the very obese girl that smelled HORRIBLY (whom I'll not name) never progressed through SP with the rest of us. Back to Dallis. I remember BEFUCHKID and NON-COMPOS MENTIS. I remember this brilliant, caring man that taught us length and width by taking bets on how many times his 12" (FBI MAN) shoes could walk end-to-end across the room. He used the kind of creative teaching methods that teacher are encouraged to use nowadays. Mr. Dallis was lightyears ahead of his time. I remember he read us a story every Friday afternoon. I remember how tranquil the class was during these times. I remember he taught math by taking chocolate chip cookie bets. I remember our classes as being raucous, as raucous as a football game and FUN. And, I remember LEARNING math and enjoying it. I remember him telling my mother at the end of 7th grade that he'd "tried very hard to get (me) out of her shell." Her truly cared. Then came 9th grade and Mrs. Gersh. Algebra was a disaster for me. I couldn't do it then, and during my MBA studies I found I couldn't do it as an adult. I discovered when I was 24 that I have a form of algebraic learning disability. I truly cannot retain or comprehend the abstract formulas. I can't do it. Mrs. Gersh taught algerbra for people with a superior algebraic ability. And, if you couldn't learn at that pace, she humiliated me by becoming impatient, annoyed and sarcastic. I learned quickly never to raise my hand and tell Mrs. Gersh I didn't understand... and so I began to fail. I failed the first semester. It was the first time I'd ever failed at anything... and I was worried I'd fail the Regents and be thrown into 8th grade. I was devastated. And, hopelessly behind. My parents contacted Mr. Dallis and asked for his help. They offered to pay him to tutor me. He refused to accept any money. But, EVERYDAY for THREE MONTHS, we met after school. He'd walk me across the L.I.E. to the store and buy me an apple and cookies. We'd go to the library and we'd eat our snacks. Little did I know then what I know now; Mr. Dallis was raising my blood sugar so I could LEARN. Then he'd take huge sheets of newsprint paper and draw GIANT graphs and he'd visually teach me algebra. Mr. Dallis KNEW that I was one of those RIGHT-BRAINED, artistic children that could NOT learn abstract equations without visual aids. After 2 hours of tutoring, Mr. Dallis would drive me home in his beat-up, old, gray VW Bug. THAT was an experience in itself. Mr. Dallis LOVED classical music and he'd BLAST classical music on the radio and CONDUCT the symphonies, with BOTH hands off the steering wheel, as we drove through the snowy streets. He'd also SING the symphonies too and turn to look at me while he was singing, conducting and driving. He sang really loud with a mad gleam in his eye. I was terrified at first, I thought I was gonna die! LOL!!! But after a while, I got used to it. I'd never met an adult who was willing to be so nutty and not care what ANY thought about him. He was so TRUE TO HIMSELF, so IN TOUCH with his "child" it was astonishing. And I realize now, that I was thrilled by his crazy antics. He showed me that you could just be yourself and to hell with what anyone else thought! Mr. Dallis was widowed. His wife and daughter had been killed in a car crash by a drunk driver, and so he dedicated his life to teaching other people's children. He left a mark on my heart. He brought me out of my shell. He found the key to teaching me something that I thought I couldn't learn. I got an 84 on the algebra Regents. Mr. Dallis, you were a great teacher and a wonderful man.
Jibralta Merrill <BaysideBop@aol.com>
Studio City, CA USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 17:51:37 (MDT
I haven't signed on as much recently but I have been keeping tabs on the TOTC website. When I come across a topic of interest to me, I jump right in. Otherwise I sit back and fastforward thru the trivia. Recently when most of you youngsters recalled the student Vietnam demonstrations in High School, I was busy getting my head bashed in on Hemingway Street in Boston at college street riots. So although I cannot relate to everyone on everything posted here, I still enjoy turning in or tuning out on my own schedule. So please Mr. Webmaster, don't restrict the postings. I think now that the newness of the site has worn off most of us it will find it own natural balance. I do sort of miss getting it on with Dene though (just kidding Dene).
Jeff Klein - PS46/"59,JHS74/"62,FLHS/"65 <jeff@closetspecialist.com>
Savannah, GA USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 15:33:05 (MDT
Wow! What a great site! I lived in Bayside on 217th Street from 1955-1965... went to PS46 through 4th Grade, before moving to Stony Brook, L.I. Teachers were: (K) Mrs. Scharf and Mrs. Wolff; (1st Grade) Mrs. Hodor; (2nd Grade) Mrs. Lundine; (3rd Grade) Mrs. Campbell and Mrs. Pasternack; and (4th Grade) Mrs. Marits. I remember many names from those classes while paging through the site... Evan Kapp, Steven Levine who lived around the corner from me, Glenn Weiss, Mona Elba, Arlene Fisk, Sandi Levy... and will probably recognize a few more as I go through the site again and again! I remember my last day of class @ 46 that I got lists of the names and addresses of everyone in my 4th Grade class... which I think I lost that summer! Hope to hear from some of you, and hope to add some stories to this site along the way!
Ken Countess <kbc@netscape.net>
Southlake, TX USA - Saturday, April 22, 2000 at 14:29:26 (MDT
If these rules go into effect, I think we should all storm the Webmaster's house, hurl Pensy-Pinky's and Spaldeens at him and then we can march to the LIE and stop traffic in protest. (Hey Larry...does this count as my one post for the week?)Personally, I think the format is great the way it is and thank you Larry for doing a great job, but leave it the way it is.
Harold Landau <HLandauvca@aol.com>
Charleston, SC USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 19:36:45 (MDT
I have enjoyed what I would call regular posting to this site. Although I have seen a controversy or two here I have actually enjoyed healings and mutual rethinkings with some with whom I have exchanged volleys. Having expressed the observation recently that fewer new people have seemed to come on, I think it would stifle the vitality here to set a weekly limit on posts. The fact that the webmaster is rethinking the form speaks to the great success of this institution. I'm sure whatever is decided upon will help to evolve the site and open things up. I am grateful to have this outlet and to have connected with many people who I did not know growing up and reconnected with those I did.
Steven Baker <moylt@pipeline.com>
Elizabeth, NJ USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 18:47:47 (MDT
JERRY..."member in good standing"...love the double entendre...very lewd.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 18:11:41 (MDT
thanks jerry...i was getting nervous about these new rules including penis size etc...will u be at the reunion??? Hope to see alot of faces there...noone seems to be talking about it...i hope that doesnt mean that noone is coming
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 18:05:49 (MDT
Peri--You'll always be a member in good standing here at TOTC :)
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 17:33:18 (MDT
Larry- I don't know most of the people on this site, but through it have reconnected with many lost friends. Never met any of the regulars (such as Ed), but I do laugh at the non-stop banter he creates! Yes, it would be nice if other people got on here, but I don't feel intimidated, & hopefully other people don't either.
Meryl Levine Markov <wizer8@aol.com>
E. Northport, USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 17:06:49 (MDT
bob lavigne...i spoke to allan sirowitz recently, i have his email address...if u want his email address write to me privately and ill send it to you...frank...i dont have a penis, can i still post???
Peri Nusbaum <imperial@optonline.net>
Seaford, NY USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 16:48:55 (MDT
If you want to feed everyone, the Hungersite.com
Bernice <BeJGe@aol.com>
USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 15:45:47 (MDT
Mr Faqua--Just one question. What do you mean by "medium-sized"?
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 14:09:29 (MDT
Rules for posting: should be limited to people born between the years 1956 and 1958. They must jewish, male, 5'4 to 6'0 with medium sized penis(photos must be enclosed). If gentile,they must have mixed Chrisitan affiliations. All sentences must be no longer than 8 words...and must begin with "whatever".Any spelling errors will be graded, as well as gramatic errors. Any postings not submitted in size places will be deleated. If you seem too neurotic, write too often, become too analytical, or appear to be lip sinking Barry Manalow songs, your post will be deleated. If you do write too often about trite crap that noone has cared about in the last 25 years, we will be glad to refer you to a local psychologist. We keep lists. Thank You for reading this and wasting your time.
frank faqua <dawico@netscape.net>
USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:52:43 (MDT
Ed Lapal - I love your BPG stories man - If you do stop posting on TOTC, would you e-mail them to me?
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:41:42 (MDT
For what it's worth -- There's neither a need to limit postings nor a need to spend all day posting. We each express ourselves differently. This is a great website that has awakened many old memories and rekindled many old friendships and for that I am very grateful. As for regular and irregular posters.... We'll all be regular again after Passover.
Steve Bernstein <aberns@earthlink.net>
Old Bethpage, USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:37:39 (MDT
just discovered totc...so I guess I'm a lurker for now...would hate to see people be limited in their posts, there would be no one to lurk over...the busy the better, I dont think it prevents us lurkers from contributing...Ed Lapal should continue his posts. Does anyone know Alan Sirowitz? Whats he up to?
Bob Lavigne <BobJesse@aol.com>
Spokane, Wa USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:17:07 (MDT
i dont understand. why such long stories?
holly <diaghram@netscape.net>
USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 13:16:50 (MDT
Well ... Passover is here .... the matzah is all over the place, and nobody has to go to the bathroom again for about 10 days or so ....... GOOD SHABBAS !!!!
Alan Lefton ( Lefty !!! ) <alefton@ambac.com>
USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 12:24:13 (MDT
Helen--Amen to all that. What's next: "The real, heartbreaking story behind the Pennsy Pinkie"? Brian--Recreate a village? yes. Create a new one? Even more important. We need to live in the present, too. The distaste that former posters have appears on the surface to be a "There goes the neighborhood" mentality. This rankles me more than a little. It's as if one person, whom you feel is "not your kind (whatever kind that is)", moves into the turf of TOTC, then five people stop posting as a result. It's their choice to "move out" but it makes the neighborhood less livable in the end. I think we can learn a lesson from the 205 site, which is eloquent in its simplicity, comraderie, and lack of conflict. A little less micro-managing is in order.
Jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 11:43:32 (MDT
Jerry- as usual I agree with you.( There's a reason we both ended up on this side of the world) It may be that the purpose of TOTC has been realized for many people at this point. There is just so much cultural deconstruction that you can do on Pensie Pinkies, Yogi's, pizza and delis. The ultimate perk of this site may be the human contact, new and old that people have made, and that may already be done- and taken off of the site at this point. As for intimidation by the verbose and sometimes arrogant, I know that this happens, and I know that it contributes to the gender imbalance on the site. Larry might want to work on the details of his policies, but I think he's on the right track.
Helen Behar <sabehar@sarc.org>
Santa Cruz, Ca USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 10:56:45 (MDT
Sometimes I feel regular and other times I feel irregular. If I'm limited to how many times I can post messages on TOTC, then I will surely become very irregular!!! Help!!!!!
Don Shulman <dshulman@bellsouth.net>
Orlando, FL USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 10:54:56 (MDT
My thoughts on this: when I first arrived here, I thought the "guest book" was akin to the "guest book" you sign at Teddy Roosevelt's home in Sagamore Hill--you write your name and address and the day you signed in. Others could flip through it to see who has been here and where they're from. I then realized that this is not a guest book at all, it's a chat room that keeps a permanent posted record of itself. Maybe the webmaster (whose efforts I appreciate) can separate the two functions, so people can put an "I've been here, and here is where I live, and here is my e-mail address" mark in one spot, then post messages for all to see with Ed Lapal or anyone else. That seems to me the way to go, but... if that can't be done technically, you should revert to first principles. The very name of this site was meant to recreate electronically the little village we had. The "new rules" counteract that goal big time. Can you imagine Officer King coming up to a group of people chatting at the top of a court, and saying, "Ed, you've spoken too much. You can't say anything else for a week so that these other kids, who have been listening to you attentively, will talk. Johnny, don't be afraid, you can talk, too. Everyone let Johnny talk."?? The very thought of it is ridiculous Human nature is what it is, and talkative people are talkative and quiet people are quiet. What's wrong with that? Bell Park had yentas and people who never talked to anyone. (I'm not for an unrestrained First Amendment here; a posting, for instance, that calls someone a "faggot" or something like that should be taken down because it might be very hurtful and shouldn't remain on there forever.) That's my $.03.
Brian Sokoloff <bsoloff@mail.idt.net>
Bayside, NY USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 10:23:21 (MDT
Dear Webmaster . . . With all due respect to your exalted position as creator of this wonderful website, I must disagree with you that posting by "regulars" intimidates newbies from coming on board! As the most regular of them all, I fail to see how the number of postings I do serves to deter someone from saying hello simply because Ed Lapal (or anyone else) talks too much! I think hitting the submit button has more to do with one's personality than with the amount of chatter on the board . . . Besides, I can't recall any newbies who logged on and was hooted off! In fact, it is usually a very warm and welcoming experience. I have never tried to intimidate anyone, except for Donald Liebowitz because I thought him unnecessarily personal and mean spirited . . and eventually violent . . . I do think there is a natural element of self-regulation here because one simply doesn't want to appear foolish, as in "doesn't he (she) have anything better to do?" And the answer is obviously not. But once a WEEK?? I think that would inhibit the spontaneity that is at the heart of the TOTC. I know awhile back David Krizman and I got into a conversational thing that was a helluva lot of fun. And I can't believe any member or newbie was intimidated by that! . . . But I am sensitive (believe it or not) to criticism that I post too much and tend to drown out others. Maybe yes, maybe no - that's a judgement call . . . So, for personal reasons (the weather is nicer, I've got to find something better to do!) I will limit the number of postings I do.
Ed Lapal <estarkma@optonline.net>
Manhasset Hills, NY USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 07:18:20 (MDT
I am an irregular poster here and a big contributor on the 205 site and I can see what the webmaster is trying to get at in terms of greater participation-however not much you can do about who posts and when-one thing that does help though is using each others connections to get newbies on the site-a lot of what ever happened to so and so? seems to stimulate the efforts to get new folks on the site. Just my 0.02 cents!
dave rosenbluth <drosenbluth@farmtek.com or david.rosenbluth@snet.net>
USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 06:28:25 (MDT
Larry - I really think you are making a big mistake. These new rules stink. Please reconsider.
Ellen Mendola (Shulman)
West hempstead, Ny USA - Friday, April 21, 2000 at 05:06:33 (MDT
Larry--Please re-think your plan to limit "regulars" to one "great post" per week. If people want to post regularly or irregularly so be it. I don't think you really want to define who is or is not a regular, obviously a completely subjective determination. If people wish to lurk let them lurk. Anyone who is intimidated by the "regulars" probably isn't going to post anyway. It's fine to keep out anonymous posters, the vulgar and the obscene, beyond that don't get involved in monitoring substance to the extent that you are regulating regulars and irregulars. I'm sure it won't be worth the aggravation.
Mike Dulberg <hkb07@earthlink.net>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 23:35:58 (MDT
LARRY....what a way to stimulate discussion! i am a late-arriving-occasional-semi-regular...and a cpa. the cpa part makes me a cynic. so, i'll say my piece. sometimes i participate, but, since finding the site i always, at least, lurk. as a cynic, i always question the reason for peoples comments. i am aware that web hosting and site maintenance do not come for free. could it be the monthly maintenance costs are getting on the high-side? if so, i would gladly pay a nominal "membership" fee to help defray the costs. i suspect that others would too if that is a (the) problem. i feel that on occassion the "conversation, " possibly even my contributions (G-d forbid) is trite and drivel...but, that's part of the charm of totc. if i'm out in left field on this i apologize, but if i have come close to hitting home perhaps as a group we can find a solution. suggestions for improving the site should always be welcome, but i feel that the "regulars" tend to "seed" the dialogue rather than inhibit it. sometimes i'm inspired to participate alot...other times i'm content to read or, if bored, just blow through the postings. i'm not looking for an argument or debate...i'm merely expressing my personal opinion on the matter you suggested.
mitch freedman <LAIvory@aol.com>
malibu, ca USA - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 23:16:14 (MDT
To Larry Schwartz. Goodbye. Without the daily postings from Ed Lapal, the Lewkow Brothers, myself and all the rest of the good people out there, this site will be a graveyard. Comments from zoot horn rollo may be good for your head but not mine. Thank You for bringing back my old friends. This is my last posting. Have a nice life. Don Guillium.
Don Guillium <Thirdo46@aol.com>
Elmont, NY USA - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 23:12:43 (MDT
As a semi-regular, I was most puzzled by the fact that most of the orignal posters were from our webmaster's group of friends. They seemed to suddenly fall off the face of the top of the court (how's that for an image). Where have they all gone? Maybe the purpose of this guestbook was to reunite with those we found a new connection with, and didn't need more than that. For me, it was the best of both worlds--being able to converse like we used to but also be able to carry on private correspondences. Wondering what you all think of that.
jerry Schwarz <artark@sirius.com>
Pacifica, CA USA - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 22:19:08 (MDT
As we start this new page, I look back at the recent posts and realize that there are not a lot of new people joining in the conversation. I think most people will agree that the most fun is seeing a post from people who have never written in before. To encourage this I would like to limit the number of posts by the regulars. That is not to say that the regulars have been doing a bad job, its just that the site will be better if more people participate. When the regulars dominate, it intimidates others from joining in. Lets start with a limit of one great post per week for the regulars to encourage the "lurkers" to join in to fill the gaps. If any of the regulars get freaked out by this, remember -- breathe deep and repeat "one with the universe" -- you will survive, I promise. I am also contemplating a separate area for the regulars to post (or a separate are for the newbees to post). I'd rather not do this, so lets give this a try.
Larry Schwartz <larry@larryschwartz.com>
Fair Lawn, NJ USA - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 21:05:19 (MDT